Re: Pogba is the worst 120m € player out there

by sportsczy Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:42 pm

He's a monster at NT too Rincon... does whatever is needed and most often simply. He was actually criticized in France last year for being too simple lol. They wanted him to be the superstar as opposed to just doing the basics. In short, they want him to take over the game whenever the team is struggling.

It's an interesting dilemma for him. There are strong demands for him to play with bling due to his skill set... yet he's at this best when he just plays simply.

It's a bit his own fault too. His flamboyant style and public image feed into the bling expectation out there. Inconsistent brilliance, which is the cause for the frustration.

by rincon Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:49 pm

It's not a bit his own fault, it's mostly his own fault. Playing in a daring way doesn't mean forgetting how to play football and doing this:

His attitude and inconsistency are totally unprofessional and disrespectful of his club.

by sportsczy Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:11 pm

Mourinho has a way of getting this out of players. Remember Madrid's 3rd year? Half the team didn't give a f during the last 4 months.

Same thing at Chelsea.

Same thing at Man U.

We're talking players like Ramos, Pepe, Modric, Hazard, Ronaldo, etc.

When there's a very precise common theme with this kind of behavior, you have to lay blame where it belongs.

by rincon Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:14 pm

Pogba is a grown man and a professional. Lay blame where it belongs: on him as well as on Mou.

by Unique Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:17 pm

rincon wrote:Pogba is a grown man and a professional. Lay blame where it belongs: on him as well as on Mou.

by chad4401 Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:24 pm

sportsczy wrote:Mourinho has a way of getting this out of players. Remember Madrid's 3rd year? Half the team didn't give a f during the last 4 months.

Same thing at Chelsea.

Same thing at Man U.

We're talking players like Ramos, Pepe, Modric, Hazard, Ronaldo, etc.

When there's a very precise common theme with this kind of behavior, you have to lay blame where it belongs.

lol your so funny when it comes to agendas, remember when I called pogba average as a midfielder at the peak of his hype, you never stopped hating on benzema since outta spite, and here you are still day after day trying to blame everyone but him, guess I was still spot on about him, he doesn't do nearly as much midfielding as he should just tricks, few runs and one good pass all game kinda like isco whom you said is also getting scapegoat so it's safe to say you don't know what to look for in midfielders you can post all the long wind explanation you want.

by sportsczy Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:26 pm

rincon wrote:Pogba is a grown man and a professional. Lay blame where it belongs: on him as well as on Mou.

OK. Then blame Ronaldo, Ramos, Hazard, Modric, etc. too. Because they behaved the same or worse.

They showed up to practice, at games and meetings. That's being a professional. Going the extra mile has nothing to do with professionalism... that's getting inspired to do more. If everyone else is inspired and you're not, then there's a individual level lack of motivation. But if the issue is pervasive... then it has little to do with any individual person.

You guys are asking for a motivated Pogba. That's very different from calling for a professional Pogba... because he's been completely professional.

by Kaladin Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:50 pm

Mourinho's attack on Pogba after the Southampton game: "You don't respect players and supporters. And you kill the mentality of the good honest people around you. You are like a person with a flu, with a virus in a closed room - you pass that virus to the others." [Telegraph] pic.twitter.com/xFJDCFYc6f
— Red Devil Bible (@RedDevilBible) December 3, 2018

Real talk, but where did all of this stem from? I mean Pogba is overrated but i'm sure you can find better scapegoats in that United team

Seems a bit personal

by Kaladin Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:51 pm

Viral contagion? Paul Pogba has handed over possession more than any other midfielder in the Premier League this season. #MUFC https://t.co/0l3rK9OvRq https://t.co/TTEKbzaXdl pic.twitter.com/3GghDls0Bf
— Duncan Castles (@DuncanCastles) December 3, 2018

by Valkyrja Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:23 pm

It's unbelievable how many supporters this fraud has among United fans after 2.5 years of awful performances while a true club legend like Wayne Rooney was being scrutinized in his latter years (after 10 years of great football) at every possible corner. Something must be wrong at that football club.

by Doc Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:26 pm

You need to be motivated to do the basic stuff right in football? Because Paul has been struggling just to be a regular by-the-book central midfielder most of this season. Structure of the team is all on Jose so I'll give you that but he does not tell Paul to over dribble, to see 3 open options and then try to screen off 4 men to lose, to pick the randomness of passes, etc.

No, unlike Modric under Jose, Paul isn't being ostracized unfairly, he is playing and he is choosing to play like a pleb. That is on him.

by Myesyats Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:59 pm

Whenever I've seen him for France I thought he was pretty good. Maybe he doesn't want to stay at Utd and does that intentionally to piss off the manager but then again Mou doesnt have to play him as a starter or even at all hmm

by The Demon of Carthage Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:48 pm

He's a professional and he's getting paid generously for the mediocre service he's providing. It doesn't matter whether or not you get along with your coach. It doesn't matter whether or not you feel the system is not getting the best out of you. When you get out there and step into the field, you must give 100% and carry out your duties to the best of your abilities.

Surely, you don't need a tailored masterstroke of a plan to make a simple pass, right?

I don't rate Mourinho at all. He's a toxic, childish has-been who does more harm than good wherever he goes, and I'm pretty sure his negative, soul-sucking football is partly to blame for Pogba's amateurish display. But there are things, really simply things that Pogba, as a professional football player, should be able to do with insane ease and yet he's failing at them miserably.

He's an overrated player who can only thrive in a very specific system, but he's not a world beater. Never was and I'm guessing probably never will.

by Unique Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:58 pm

The Demon of Carthage wrote:He's a professional and he's getting paid generously for the mediocre service he's providing. It doesn't matter whether or not you get along with your coach. It doesn't matter whether or not you feel the system is not getting the best out of you. When you get out there and step into the field, you must give 100% and carry out your duties to the best of your abilities.

Surely, you don't need a tailored masterstroke of a plan to make a simple pass, right?

I don't rate Mourinho at all. He's a toxic, childish has-been who does more harm than good wherever he goes, and I'm pretty sure his negative, soul-sucking football is partly to blame for Pogba's amateurish display. But there are things, really simply things that Pogba, as a professional football player, should be able to do with insane ease and yet he's failing at them miserably.

He's an overrated player who can only thrive in a very specific system, but he's not a world beater. Never was and I'm guessing probably never will.

i agree 100% with all of that. close the thread now nothing more needs to be said. Thumbs up

by BusterLfc Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:35 pm

SAF got rid of Pogba and said he was disrespectful, so Mourinho isn't the only coach that Pogba didn't get along with

And the NT football excuse is funny, NT football is ugly to watch and is like amateur football compared to clubs. Do I need to say how many players looked like beasts for NTs when they were absolutely shit in club football all their careers? And Pogba isn't even great for France, he's fine but just another player on the team who is easily replaceable

imo he can be a good player but is overrated as hell because of marketing and his price tag, he isn't a WC player and never will be imo. Well I can't even say he's overrated now because he is a laughing stock atm

by sportsczy Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:55 pm

SAF didn't get rid of Pogba... Pogba refused to extend his contract. This was a time when youth players jumping clubs for free was considered a big no-no. SAF felt that Pogba owed Man U to sign the extension and then let Man U sell him. That's where the "disrespect" slant came from.

Juve started the trend with Pogba and then Coman (PSG were upset too).

Now, kids make these moves every day.

by futbol Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:15 am

He is a luxury player, was evident since for ever. 252 balls lost in 14 PL games? Amazing, so he loses the ball 18 times per game as a midfielder. Balotelli of midfielders.

by Myesyats Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:33 am

The Demon of Carthage wrote:He's a professional and he's getting paid generously for the mediocre service he's providing. It doesn't matter whether or not you get along with your coach. It doesn't matter whether or not you feel the system is not getting the best out of you. When you get out there and step into the field, you must give 100% and carry out your duties to the best of your abilities.

Surely, you don't need a tailored masterstroke of a plan to make a simple pass, right?

I don't rate Mourinho at all. He's a toxic, childish has-been who does more harm than good wherever he goes, and I'm pretty sure his negative, soul-sucking football is partly to blame for Pogba's amateurish display. But there are things, really simply things that Pogba, as a professional football player, should be able to do with insane ease and yet he's failing at them miserably.

He's an overrated player who can only thrive in a very specific system, but he's not a world beater. Never was and I'm guessing probably never will.

Yeah yeah, but anyone who dabs in public is far from professional though imo

by M99 Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:03 pm

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by Firenze Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:16 pm

regardless of Mou being done here at the end of the season , hopefully we can bamboozle Barca or Madrid to drop 100m on him

he's a world cup winner and has the excuse of the Mou effect atm, if we wait another summer it could be too late

by The Demon of Carthage Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:22 pm

Madrid dropping 100m on Pogba rofl

The last time Madrid spent more than 45m on a player was 4 years ago. We're a cheap club now that mostly shops from Brazil. Even if by a miracle Florentino goes back to being a big spender, I doubt he would spend that sum on an overrated player like Pogba. At least I hope so.

by Mr Nick09 Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:24 pm

I think Madrid would gladly pay the right amount for Pogba, even if it's 100 mil. We just would not pay 20 or so millions to Raiola, so that's that.

by sportsczy Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:29 pm

People have to take a person's personality into account. Some guys are very cold and calculated, others reserved, emotional, etc.

The job of the manager is to understand these personality differences and get the best out of the player.

Pogba is an emotional and very sensitive person. Deschamps realized this very quickly. He responds to discipline, otherwise he wouldn't have done so well under Conte, Allegri and Deschamps. But he also needs his manager to make him feel important and allow for some freedom within his system.

Pogba isn't the type of person that intentionally dogs it or doesn't play hard. But how he feels emotionally impacts his performance enormously.

Ramos, Modric and Hazard are like this too btw, which is why they looked just as awful (and GL called them the most overrated this, biggest flop that, etc at the time) under Mourinho.

The very technical players tend to be very emotional btw... while the workman types are steadier. That's why Mourinho has so much trouble with creative types and does well with workhorses.

by Doc Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:09 pm

People would roll their eyes at that post Sports but I get it, I get it a lot tbh. However, no one, neither Utd fans nor the club itself, genuinely have time to baby one footballer constantly unless that player is of Ronaldo's, Giggs' or Scholes' level (and the last two didn't even need babying afaik).

Also, Paul is struggling to do the basics properly. If he needs to be cuddled to do just the basics, what exactly does he need to perform at the level Utd need him to be?

by Mr Nick09 Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:43 pm

Are we just going to pretend that hugely talented players like Ozil, Deco, Di Maria, Alonso, Varane, Lampard, Sneijder, Milito etc... did not do well under Mourinho? we are just gonna let this slide to blame Pogba's performances on just Mourinho?

The real problem here is that Pogba wants freedom to do whatever the fck he wants on the pitch, without being accountable to anyone. The one time he was good with france was for a special occasion in the world cup, and he has looked nothing like that player since the world cup ended. It was clearly not his natural way of playing.

With Juve he was essentially the left winger, and he was afforded that freedom because of the back 3 and juventus defensive excellence.

by Unique Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:52 pm

Mr Nick09 wrote:Are we just going to pretend that hugely talented players like Ozil, Deco, Di Maria, Alonso, Varane, Lampard, Sneijder, Milito etc... did not do well under Mourinho? we are just gonna let this slide to blame Pogba's performances on just Mourinho?

The real problem here is that Pogba wants freedom to do whatever the fck he wants on the pitch, without being accountable to anyone. The one time he was good with france was for a special occasion in the world cup, and he has looked nothing like that player since the world cup ended. It was clearly not his natural way of playing.

With Juve he was essentially the left winger, and he was afforded that freedom because of the back 3 and juventus defensive excellence.

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