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Post by Kaladin Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:21 pm

Its been a rocky start for his United tenure, and doesn't look all too bright in the future for him. I suspect United might be his last post as a club manager, can't see him going anywhere else, Inter already have Simeone set for the future, PSG won't hire someone like him, not sure about Porto either, overall i feel like its the end for him, at least at club level. Although, i have a hard time seeing him coach Portugal with CR still playing
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Post by M99 Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:31 pm

I can see him joining Inter if Simeone doesn't.

Other than that I'm sure PSG would love to get him Emery does not work out.

End of him in PL and La Liga maybe.
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Post by rincon Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:36 pm

He'll have options. PSG, Inter, probably a German club.
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Post by RealGunner Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:36 pm

If united win the PL now...

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Post by rwo power Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:42 pm

rincon wrote:He'll have options. PSG, Inter, probably a German club.
Dunno about the German clubs - he'd have to learn German (which he stated before he wouldn't want to do) and they don't pay as much as PL clubs or the big ones in Spain, Italy or France.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:43 pm

RealGunner wrote:If united win the PL now...

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Post by Doc Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:57 pm

If Utd win the EPL, please mods ban ES for this thread. About time we stand up against the madness of this world.

Also, he can always get into managing countries. His reputation is still good enough to be hired by a nation or two (or mine, Jose can manage mine).
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Post by futbol_bill Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:03 pm

There are a couple of Chinese clubs that would be interested!

And Doc, Man U won't win shit this season and given United was likely his last big club opportunity, this thread is entirely appropriate.
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:45 am

I completely disagree with the consensus shared by most here. I believe that Mourinho, just like any other big-name manager, will always have offers and here's why:

I have always felt that European football is like a gated community or a country club. The faces are the same and the number of seats is limited.

If you fire a manager, his replacement is going to be from that "country club". And if you can't get your first choice, you'll have to settle for the second best, or the one after that (again from the same country club).

Basically, it's a vicious circle where, inside, people are hiring and firing the same faces, and more often than not, you end up re-hiring one or two managers you already fired at some point.

Mourinho will always receive offers because clubs don't have an unlimited number of options. Think of it like a probability problem where there's only one urn you can draw from, except you already know the number of balls inside and which one you're going to draw.
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Post by zigra Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:01 am

Lmao every trash coach seems to get 5 jobs to fail in a row but mourinho is done?
This is just not how the business works. He'll get offers for another 10 years no problem.
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Post by Winter is Coming Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:20 am

lol He'll be given time at United unless he really unsettles the players and force the board hand. He'll still have many offers on the table regardless. Are they going to be ones he probably wants? Not many at least, but he'll have them for sure.

Inter, Milan are in the processes of being taken over, by the time his stint at United is over they may have something ready to go. PSG are desperate for European success, Emery time can be short lived there. England I can't really see anything. Juve could also be a place for him.

Maybe internationally, I don't know why I can see Argentina, Belgium going for him.
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Post by Nivash Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:01 am

The Demon of Carthage wrote:I completely disagree with the consensus shared by most here. I believe that Mourinho, just like any other big-name manager, will always have offers and here's why:

I have always felt that European football is like a gated community or a country club. The faces are the same and the number of seats is limited.

If you fire a manager, his replacement is going to be from that "country club". And if you can't get your first choice, you'll have to settle for the second best, or the one after that (again from the same country club).

Basically, it's a vicious circle where, inside, people are hiring and firing the same faces, and more often than not, you end up re-hiring one or two managers you already fired at some point.

Mourinho will always receive offers because clubs don't have an unlimited number of options. Think of it like a probability problem where there's only one urn you can draw from, except you already know the number of balls inside and which one you're going to draw.


Entirely explains Rafa getting the Madrid job

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Post by rincon Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:07 am

Winter is Coming wrote:lol He'll be given time at United unless he really unsettles the players and force the board hand. He'll still have many offers on the table regardless. Are they going to be ones he probably wants? Not many at least, but he'll have them for sure.

Inter, Milan are in the processes of being taken over, by the time his stint at United is over they may have something ready to go. PSG are desperate for European success, Emery time can be short lived there. England I can't really see anything. Juve could also be a place for him.

Maybe internationally, I don't know why I can see Argentina, Belgium going for him.


Juve and will never hire Mourinho. He IS Inter in Italy, and he even coincided with the darker times of Juve. Milan under Berlusconi would not have done it either, who knows with the new owners. A return to Inter is much more likely in Serie A, or if he lowers his standards, Lazio.
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Post by rwo power Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:17 am

The Demon of Carthage wrote:I have always felt that European football is like a gated community or a country club. The faces are the same and the number of seats is limited.

If you fire a manager, his replacement is going to be from that "country club". And if you can't get your first choice, you'll have to settle for the second best, or the one after that (again from the same country club).
Interestingly, in the Bundesliga we have numerous "fresh faces" recently (Julian Nagelsmann, André Schubert, Alexander Nouri, Nico Kovac...). Now you can say that's because big name coaches are not interested in BL clubs or because they pay too little, but I think it's rather because German clubs usually demand that their coaches can speak German, which is probably a big deterrent if you are a big name coach. On the plus side this means, that here fresh coaches are given a chance, too.
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Post by Kaladin Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:56 pm

I'm surprised people are listing PSG, i have a hard time seeing them hire a coach with a big ego like Mou
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Post by rincon Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:33 pm

Weren't PSG already after Mou? I'm sure that was going around.
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Post by Kaladin Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:53 pm

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Post by Art Morte Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:31 pm

The Demon of Carthage wrote:I completely disagree with the consensus shared by most here. I believe that Mourinho, just like any other big-name manager, will always have offers and here's why:

I have always felt that European football is like a gated community or a country club. The faces are the same and the number of seats is limited.

If you fire a manager, his replacement is going to be from that "country club". And if you can't get your first choice, you'll have to settle for the second best, or the one after that (again from the same country club).

Basically, it's a vicious circle where, inside, people are hiring and firing the same faces, and more often than not, you end up re-hiring one or two managers you already fired at some point.

Mourinho will always receive offers because clubs don't have an unlimited number of options. Think of it like a probability problem where there's only one urn you can draw from, except you already know the number of balls inside and which one you're going to draw.


This only applies to the very biggest clubs. And it only makes sense they don't hire "greens". The average size clubs do hire fresh faces.

Mourinho is running out / has run out of big clubs to manage, so he desperately needs success at Man United.
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Post by Lucifer Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:34 pm

why big clubs wouldn't go for someone like sarri instead playing roulette with same familiar faces.

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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:34 pm

Terrible thread to make right before the United-Pool derby.
Now it's all but ensured Utd win this.

FWIW, I saw them draw against last place Stoke and contrary to how that sounds they played well and created lots.
They are stacked and Liverpool will have a hard time dealing with Zlatan, Pogba, Mata.

Mourinho has won the league in his second season anywhere he's gone so far so talks of his career's death are very premature.
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Post by zigra Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:03 pm

Not sure if poverty reverse jinx attempt from Hans hmm
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:03 pm

Even if you only take into account the very biggest clubs, Mou will always have a chance, and here's why:

Big clubs don't always get their first choice, and sometimes, they are coerced into settling for someone at the bottom of their list (Pellegrini at Madrid).

And given the fact that most of them only want established managers with a solid pedigree, their list is going to have the same names.

There's also another scenario where managers can land jobs that under normal circumstances would not be able to: when you have already hired and fired pretty much all the established star managers out there, you'll have no choice but to hire someone from the second tier (Rafa at Madrid).

As far as Mourinho is concerned, he's one of the most successful managers of the last 15 years. And if guys who lost their touch a long time ago could land jobs at PSG, City and even United, I don't see why Mourinho would not be able to.

This of course, assuming he screws up at United, which is way too premature to tell at this point.




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Post by Kaladin Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:14 pm

What about Atleti post-Simeone hmm ? Can see it happen especially with how he left Real
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Post by titosantill Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:38 pm

football changes. he has a resume, and he's relatively young (he's not in his 60s yet), that's really all one needs to get a good gig as a manager. also, he has a good agent, and there are some in the football business outside of coaches, ex-players, and journalists that like him. he'll always be opportune to getting good jobs

here's where the change part comes in- he may not be in line for something at madrid, barcelona, bayern etc yet, (Even though florentino it seems did want him back), but who's to say some side might not start a new project looking to upset those clubs. utd and arsenal ran things, then chelsea came along, and became an attractive option for managers; now city too, as well as psg. and there's still juve

after his chelsea first stint, when he got turned down by barcelona, people said the same thing, then he landed at inter (Which i don't think was the first choice on his list), and moved on again. the business of football isn't as fans view it. a fan would like to downplay previous success because it was long ago, and in recent yrs things have been bleak. but on the business side, you have agents who can harp on that success like it was yesterday....not to mention working with national teams and all.

its not like there's a big pool of managerial talent out there or many who have a similar resume to see his path constantly blocked
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:47 pm

He could even return to Madrid because he has an excellent relationship with Florentino. I hope he never comes back though.

Basically, and in my humble opinion, there are only two clubs out there that they will never move for him: Bayern and Barça. Barça for obvious reasons, and Bayern because Rummenigge has criticized him on multiple occasions and clearly he doesn't want him anywhere near his club. The rest are all up for grabs.

1. Real Madrid: he has an excellent relationship with the president. So as long as Florentino is in power, he could return.

2. Chelsea: I don't think when Mou was sacked for the second time he burned any bridges. He still is highly respected and admired over there, and I'm sure they'll move for him again when they're very desperate.

3. Inter: Do I even have to give a reason?

4. Juventus and Milan: many believe that he's Inter in Italy. It's a good point, but then again people also thought he was Chelsea in England, and yet it didn't refrain him from signing for one of their biggest rivals. I wouldn't rule out a move for either of them in the near or distant future

5. Atlético: I honestly don't see why he couldn't sign for them post-Simeone. It's a very plausible scenario.

6. Arsenal: the least plausible destination. I remember last summer, many Gooners were hoping he would sign for them. So, most of them, don't really mind having him. But I don't think he'll ever agree because I think he realizes if he signs for them, all ties with Chelsea and their fanbase will be broken.

7. City and PSG: don't even doubt it for a second, those guys are desperate for big name managers to attract big players and strengthen their brand. I think they have already contacted him in the past, and I have no doubt they'll try to sign him again. They hired guys like Mancini, Pellegrini and Blanc, Mou is going to be a superstar there.

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1. He got Portugal locked up, and aside from all the nations where they only hire national managers, he has a good chance of being approached by those who don't mind having a foreign coach.
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