Re: #ThankYouDanielBryan - The Official WWE Thread - Part 23

by RealGunner Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:14 pm

+1111111111111111

by Tomwin Lannister Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:22 pm

Absolutely correct, also it's not just even the 'PPV Rematches' on the RAW after, the people in question fight about 3-6 times a Month depending on if they do SD/Main event as well as RAW or not. And most of the time, the PPV matches are also generic vanilla pinfall matches.

by Jay29 Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:54 pm

In-ring storytelling has seriously dropped off over the years as more and more wrestlers are try to put on end-to-end matches with a 100 false finishes and get those cringey "this is awesome" chants from the crowd.

Like Austin says on his podcast, none of the heels cheat anymore. It's all about making each other look good now. You've got shit like Roman Reigns hating Wyatt's guts for using his daughter for his mind games, but their matches being perfectly even contests. Rusev/Ziggler, too. Fans will get behind a face who had most of the offence in a match but was denied a win because the heel cheated. Then the heel gets more heat because he cheated against a fan favourite. If you have a match that's 50-50 throughout and the face/heel loses legitimately, it doesn't help either wrestler, and there's no payoff for the crowd.

by Tomwin Lannister Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:01 pm

I laughed at a recent story between 'face' Dolph and 'Heel' Rusev

Ziggler was the heel, undeniably so, Rusev was the face yet it was being presented in the total opposite way. Vince AKA creative are so out of touch with storytelling, it's no wonder the best heels get cheered and the hand picked faces get shit from fans.

How bad can you be at creating storylines to consistently make heels the fan favourites and vice versa.

by Casciavit Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:17 pm

Creative in general are quite crap at creating storylines that have heat.

It's no surprise that the only interesting feuds nowadays, are when the part timers come back (Lesnar, Sting, Rocky), a group breaks up (Ambrose vs Rollins), or a storyline that blurs the lines between real life and kayfabe (Bryan WM30, Bryan vs Reigns, Punk vs Cena).

If their isn't a previous back history, they suck at making feuds meaningful. Case in point, Ambrose vs Wyatt, Reigns vs Wyatt, Ziggler vs Rusev etc.

by Onyx Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:38 pm

The product's obviously needed a revamp for years, however there was always a main storyline that carried the show even if everything else was shit. However right now there is no main storyline to carry the show.

By 2011 most of the established superstars retired/left. So the product needed a bit of magic to carry the show. We had the Rock's return, then there was the summer of Punk, Rock/Cena, Lesnar returned, Punk heel turn. Punk's title reign, Rock/Cena again and Bryan's Yes movement up until 2014.

After that there's been nothing. Ok Lesnar became champ, but he barely appeared and his schtick with Heyman hyping him was getting old.

Rollins as champ obviously hasn't worked either, simply because he's not good enough to get people watching.

by Onyx Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:02 pm

It's nothing to do with wins and losses imo. Most of the current roster just aren't good enough to be megastars. Ambrose and Wyatt are the only two that have the potential to be.

Look at Del Rio, Sheamus etc. They were pushed to the moon and yet didn't really get far.

A source shed some light in the latest installment of The Wrestling Observer Newsletter as to why the company cannot create big stars anymore and instead have to resort back to using part-time Superstars to creative interest in the product.

“What is backfiring is the fact the company, its owners and executives now feel they have to answer for their decisions. `Some people did not like this guy won,’ and then feel the need to explain their own creative process. It’s a defensive posture that permeates even the booking, which is why it’s always 50/50, unless someone has the clout to avoid being in the 50/50 club. But the booking itself becomes defensive. Don’t offend anyone’s fan base. Don’t alienate anyone. Please everyone, at all times, and make either apologies offered or excuses given if the audience presents even the slightest backlash. It leads to no commitment to a decision, and therefore, long-term, long-lasting money situations become harder and harder to manufacture.”

by Onyx Fri Oct 23, 2015 6:00 pm

Rusev's overdue a dancing gimmick anyway. hmm

There has been speculation that the news of Rusev and Lana’s real-life engagement getting out to TMZ could result in some heat for the two. For what it’s worth, The Wrestling Observer Newsletter notes that there is far more heat on Lana than Rusev.

Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter

by Casciavit Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:01 pm

HIAC today

Some rumours going out there that Bryan is gonna make his comeback and face Cena at HIAC hmm

by RealGunner Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:08 pm

Would instantly be better than anything on wwe atm

by izzy Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:08 pm

Casciavit wrote:HIAC today

Some rumours going out there that Bryan is gonna make his comeback and face Cena at HIAC

Good Lord. :facepalm:

Can it get any worse?

by M99 Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:11 pm

To add some more unnecessary hype Kurt Angler is in LA where HIAC is taking place.

by RealGunner Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:12 pm

Now if Angle accepts Cena's challenge

probably the best thing that will happen to wwe in years

by M99 Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:17 pm

Also worth noting that tomorrow's RAW is Cena's last scheduled appearance so he is definitely losing the title today or tomorrow.

by izzy Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:18 pm

M99 wrote:Also worth noting that tomorrow's RAW is Cena's last scheduled appearance so he is definitely losing the title today or tomorrow.

Will it be clean though? Laughing

by RealGunner Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:25 pm

Nope. Some fake injury to rule him out for a while

by izzy Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:28 pm

*sigh*

Well, at least he'll be gone for a while.
I can't stand the guy.

by M99 Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:45 pm

Looking back at the US open challenge thing, who the hell got elevated other than Cena himself Laughing

Kevin Owens, Ambrose, Stardust, Ziggler, Neville, Rusev etc all either moved sideways or down. Just another program to make Cena look strong.

by izzy Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:51 pm

It's the way this company has operated for a decade+ now.

They don't trust the talent they have. The creative team are a damn joke and Vince is just insane. I really don't get why they have done stuff like this.

Seth Rollins might possibly be the WORST champion in history with how he has been written.

by Onyx Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:31 pm

All time goat vid. :bow:

by ausbaz Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:51 pm

Very good pre-show 6 man tag.

Cesaro is a goat, v over with the crowd

by RealGunner Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:11 am

Del Rio is back lmfaooooooooo

by Onyx Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:49 am

Ambrose, Reigns, Taker, Kane vs Rollins and Wyatt's at SS. hmm

by Onyx Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:07 pm

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by M99 Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:45 pm

Alberto Del Rio beat Cena clean in 10 minutes?! Laughing

by Casciavit Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:51 pm

Apart from Lesnar-Taker, which was really good this ppv was meh. Del Rio out of all people who gets a clean win on Cena Laughing

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