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Post by futbol_bill Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:59 pm

You basically have said it was a poor signing particularly in bringing him to Madrid. If I misread your comments on his progress, I apologize. The deal, his father insisted on was indeed wrong and foolish, that I agree with. But he was always going to go to Castilla and develop ..... And he did. I can't stress enough about his lack of language skills is at the root of the problems in his first year. Zidane's annoyances were far more about the father that the kid. If Castilla had earned the promotion to adelante in either of the last two years when they had the potential, then his playing at Castilla likely wouldn't have been an issue.

But he was a young talent that there was several clubs chasing him and it is a credit to Flo that he went out and got him and others. Our academy has not been producing as much talent in the last 3 years as they had in the previous 10. If you look at this Castilla team vs any from last 10 years, it is sadly lacking in quality and bear in mind we used to have 2 Castilla teams.

That's why the new philisophy is to have the talent out on loan playing at the level they need to develop. None of these loans means the organization has given up on them, as you seemed to imply. It's as it was before, develop players as best we can and some of them will make it to 1st team, while others who may be close but not quite can be considered as assets that can recoup development costs through sales.

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Post by titosantill Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:22 am

that's exactly why i think flo went for him, because other teams were scouting him, and flo being flo had to make a move. i'm not going to beat on this much further, but i think youngsters and their families need to have a clear idea on what it is they want before signing for us, because madrid is a different ball game, and i'm not sure how much one is taking in by playing against segunda b "legends". either go on loan and develop ala carvajal casemiro et al, or go the normal route with your peers/age group

the bulk of my post has to do with the lousy arrangement of signing a player to train with one team, yet play with another. i just don't know how that helps; its a team game, you need to know your teammates. that feels like something that was just done to encourage his family to get him to sign to us, when he was obviously not going to get any sort of playing or bench time....anyways that's my last post on odegaard regarding this
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Post by futbol_bill Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:00 pm

Again you are saying Odegaard didn't develop at Castilla! How can you claim that when you haven't even to bothered to watch him? Those of us that have say there definitely has been progress.

Kids develop more when they play with better talent. When they are better than all of the team or liga, then it's time to move them up a level of futbol. He would not have gotten that back at home! He would have been playing at a higher level if Castilla had gotten the promotion either of the last two years when they had the potential. That failing, they tried to loan him out this season but his age prohibited it, until now.

You seem to be indicating that all this is Perez' fault and that the club shouldn't sign young talent. That is precisely why our academy (and others like barca) is so good, the assembly of young talent. Ahem or in this year's case, for some reason the pot has run a little dry. THe objective of the academy is to develop talent. Most of them don't make it to 1st team, but it is the most effective and efficient way to assemble talent. for those that don't they are financial assets and they are usually proud to have had the development theses academys offer.

The deal made with his father was foolish, but to say we should stop signing talented youth because of one over zealous father is wrong, just plain wrong.

You say he should be developed like Carvajal, well that's exactly what they are doing with this loan and the other 20 or so that are already out on loan. That's putting them at a level of futbol that challenges them. Again you seem to imply that the club is giving up on them. Is that what was happening when Carvajal went out on loan?
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Post by titosantill Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:19 pm

http://en.as.com/en/2017/01/11/football/1484139121_809155.html
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Post by futbol_bill Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:10 am

Just one question for you Tito. Who is Carlos Forjanes?
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Post by Doc Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:22 am

Hala's uncle. Pretty certain of that.
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Post by Thimmy Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:31 pm

@titosantill wrote:http://en.as.com/en/2017/01/11/football/1484139121_809155.html


That article seems to suit you well, tito. Having actually talked to Martin in person, I can confirm that some of the things stated in that article are based purely on impressions, and probably gossip, as well.

I do find it interesting that James Rodriguez is "fighting tooth and nail" to adapt to other positions, though. I suppose you have to be a second rate journalist, in order to notice such things. The only time I've heard the name, Carlos Forjanes was when he predicted that Martin would become the youngest player to debut for Real Madrid. I wouldn't be surprised if you took his word for it.
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Post by titosantill Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:00 pm

i'm kind of lost about what the argument was to begin with....my stance is simply that, signing youngsters (18 and under) to youth contracts, should be the ideal process...that's all i'm saying. don't go overboard with deals especially when its kids we're talking about, don't get their hopes too high too early is what i'm saying.....let's see how this all pans out
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Post by futbol_bill Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:46 pm

There isn't any disagreement with that. You can blame his over zealous father as much as you can blame Perez for that.

The disagreements are what you said re his lack of development at Castilla, you saying he would have developed better staying in Norway, you saying he should have gone out on loan which is exactly what is happening now (and only just now allowed due to his age) and finally you basically saying he is finished at club just because he is going out on loan, that he should do like Carvajal which is precisely what the objective here is as well as the other 20 out on loan, all assuming they develop sufficiently.
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Post by titosantill Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:48 pm

well, one, i didn't say he's finished cos he's out on loan- i said he'll have to play like his life depends on it, because, when the next star attacking midfielder comes around, there's a high chance of the club gravitating towards that next star, so its up to him to really show something to make the club desire his return

two; my suggestion about him staying in norway is more mental than ability focused. you tell a youngster "hey, u're going to come to madrid, you're going to train with cristiano modric benzema et al, you'll also play alongside them on a few occasions", then the youngster comes and he starts playing with segunda b legends. how do you think that affects his psyche? kids are impressionable. give him the truth; and that is, "you're 15, train with our youth set up and try to grow from there, or develop your game at home first, if u don't like it, don't sign"

my issue is more with us than with him. my issue is, we did this whole arrangement cos we thought all these other clubs were out to sign him. what he is doing now; going out on loan, should have been first priority imo....simple. next time we want to sign a kid, we should sign them to a youth deal first is all i'm saying......not everybody is going to be r9 pele and the likes who were doing magic at 16/17
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Post by Valkyrja Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:25 pm



Good debut, a bit shy but it's understandable.
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Post by Collblanc Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:38 pm

Looks healthy, right? Nice movements. He is going to do great in the eredivisie against these tall sluggish defenders (in the lower region teams). Mark the dates of Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV games!
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Post by Thimmy Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:23 am

4th game for Herenveen. Tabloids say possible injury.

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Post by zigra Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:53 pm

Nah haven't ready anything about an injury in dutch papers.
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Post by Thimmy Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:25 am

@zigra wrote:Nah haven't ready anything about an injury in dutch papers.


I read it in Norwegian newspapers. Could be wrong, for all I know.
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Post by zigra Mon May 08, 2017 1:28 pm

Can't believe people wanted us to sign this fraud rofl
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Post by Valkyrja Mon May 08, 2017 2:23 pm

Vincius is the new wonderkid. our hope Proud

Scrubdegaard can scrub it all the way to his boyhood club Lpool
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Post by Thimmy Mon May 08, 2017 2:26 pm

Don't know why you two bother hating on him if he's so irrelevant Rolling Eyes
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Post by Lucifer Mon May 08, 2017 2:27 pm

Madrid have screwed more 16yr olds than casting directors at Hollywood.
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Post by Firenze Mon May 08, 2017 2:49 pm

another overhyped youngster that the mega clubs ruin

when will they learn
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Post by M99 Mon May 08, 2017 3:38 pm

@Lucifer wrote:Madrid have screwed more 16yr olds than casting directors at Hollywood.


ffs
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Post by Blue Mon May 08, 2017 3:46 pm

What happend to the Crotian prodigy that Barcelona signed around the same time?
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Post by zigra Mon May 08, 2017 3:53 pm

@Blue wrote:What happend to the Crotian prodigy that Barcelona signed around the same time?

Halilovic? Was loaned to Gijón where he didn't impress. He was then sold to HSV where he didn't make it and so he was loaned out to Las Palmas last winter. He's supposed to stay there till summer 2018 and I think they can also buy him at the end of the loan if they want to.
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Post by Thimmy Mon May 08, 2017 3:55 pm

@Blue wrote:What happend to the Crotian prodigy that Barcelona signed around the same time?


He's now 20 years old and he's a Hamburger player, but currently on loan at Las Palmas. I think I read somewhere that he's had some issues related to acting like a diva and behaving poorly towards team mates. Then again, some Spanish papers claimed that Ødegaard was arrogant and egocentric when he was being bullied by some of his Castilla team mates, and I've met very few youngsters in my life who are as humble as him.
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Post by Doc Mon May 08, 2017 3:58 pm

So what, Odegaard having a tough time in Holland? Why is he a fraud now?
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Post by Blue Mon May 08, 2017 4:19 pm

@zigra wrote:
@Blue wrote:What happend to the Crotian prodigy that Barcelona signed around the same time?

Halilovic? Was loaned to Gijón where he didn't impress. He was then sold to HSV where he didn't make it and so he was loaned out to Las Palmas last winter. He's supposed to stay there till summer 2018 and I think they can also buy him at the end of the loan if they want to.


@Thimmy wrote:
@Blue wrote:What happend to the Crotian prodigy that Barcelona signed around the same time?


He's now 20 years old and he's a Hamburger player, but currently on loan at Las Palmas. I think I read somewhere that he's had some issues related to acting like a diva and behaving poorly towards team mates. Then again, some Spanish papers claimed that Ødegaard was arrogant and egocentric when he was being bullied by some of his Castilla team mates, and I've met very few youngsters in my life who are as humble as him.


Yeah that one I couldn't remember the name, I remember how hyped he was also around the same time. Damn he flamed out really quickly.
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