Yohan Modric wrote:Moyes was always a long term project when he was appointed. It could take a few years for Man Utd to get back to where they were. Man Utd doing poorly in the first season was expected. Also it's not like Man Utd are in the relegation zone or anything, they're 6th, which isn't too bad when you consider the amount of top teams in the PL.

When Ferguson was appointed, he at first also struggled for a few seasons and was almost sacked. But he turned it around and the rest was history.

If Man Utd wanted instant success, they should have gone for someone proven like Mourinho.

I agree .Moyes must be given time . Hopefully sees out his 6 year contract.Can't beat this entertainment

Ferguson inherited a shite team lead by a bunch of drunkards and hacks. Moyes inherited a champion side although obviously in decline. I don't think you can make that comparison tbh.

Where would United have finished last year had RVP and Rooney miss as many games as this year? I would say around the same as they are now.

Dont blame Moyes, he puts the team out there its the players who are letting him down. Be happy he is willing to spend big, United have the money and give him time. All great teams will have off year and will need time to get back to their best.

Problems were to be expected, indeed

A total collapse was not expected at all. Just because it's a 'long term project' doesn't mean that the short term has to become awful.


Regular CL football is a minimum requirement at United tbh, it's not like half the squad left. With a better manager and a couple of the right signings they would have been in a better position both now and in the future

And when I say a couple of signings I don't mean 200M worth of talent, just a pair of reliable CBs, and some decent holding midfielders. Not to mention some of the current players should have been moved off to make way for players who are actually worth something.

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I agree, at any other top club he would have most likely been sacked by now. Except Moyes was appointed for the long term, which means the current problems Man Utd are facing were to be expected. If he wasn't appointed for the long term, I'd definitely be in favour or sacking him. In fact if it was Real Madrid, I would have suggested we sack him after a month. As I said, if Man Utd wanted instant success, why did they hire him in the first place?

Please tell me you don't watch United games
It's not about instant success. Not about the league position or losing to a shit team in the CL. Moyes is coach for more than half a year and he hasn't improved anything. I'm not talking about results. I'm talking about a concept or style or whatever you want to call it. His team just does't improve. Half a year and it's still the same. Same shit. Sorry but that's just not good enough and has nothing to do with the league position or anything. A top manager like say van Gaal certainly could have a bad first season aswell but you'd see him at the very least improve stylewise. You can still have bad luck with injuries, referees, bad form or average players and Moyes certainly could have a lot more luck but that doesn't excuse his failure. If he can't do it in over half a year he won't be able to do it long term.

And why they hired him in the first place? Well probably because they thought he'd be better.

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Moyes was the manager of a midtable club for like 10 years. The tactics he played there and the tactics he's expected to play at Man Utd differ. Maybe he just needs time to work out what works and what doesn't. It's a completely new experience for him managing one of the biggest clubs in the World. He's been in the job for like 6-7 months and Man Utd are 6th, which isn't all that bad. Not to mention he's never competed in the CL with a top club. He just lacks experience. However within the next few seasons, there's a possibility he'll improve as gets to know his team better. Ferguson left him a pretty average team and transfer guy at Man Utd failed to secure any top signings last summer. It was only this January they managed to sign Mata, however a team can't be rebuilt in January.

As I said, Ferguson also struggled in his first few years and won his first PL title 7 years after he was appointed. Obviously 7 years would be too long considering Man Utd's recent success, which is why it would be best to give Moyes a few seasons.

Just watch United this season...I dare you. And come back to me and tell why this man deserves more time to implement his style(I can't believe I used that word) and why he should be entrusted to bring in his own players!

It's easy for you, a Real Madrid fan, to sit back and say "he deserves more time" while your team is flying atm. At any other club, he would have been sacked 3 months ago.

Oh and I don't care what he did at Everton. Yeah 10 years and not a single trophy, only 2 finals and a semi final in the FA Cup. Ahh diddums...what an achievement. He hid under the whole 'shoestring budget' excuse and used it as a safty blanket from criticism.

Now he has been found out. I hope he gets a job at Villa or NewC...because that's his level.

I agree, at any other top club he would have most likely been sacked by now. Except Moyes was appointed for the long term, which means the current problems Man Utd are facing were to be expected. If he wasn't appointed for the long term, I'd definitely be in favour or sacking him. In fact if it was Real Madrid, I would have suggested we sack him after a month. As I said, if Man Utd wanted instant success, why did they hire him in the first place?

Being chosen and trusted to spear head the new era, despite him not having the credentials, was a grave error by SAF. He based his decision on his heart rather than think it through properly. The club made a huge mistake and SAF made a mistake, it happens, he's human. I don't think the club were expecting immediate success- like say winning the prem and the CL. They were expecting a top 4 finish, plus a domestic trophy and also a good run in the CL. He needed to show that the club was heading in the right direction under him despite it's limitations. He has failed on levels.

Raptorgunner wrote:Where would United have finished last year had RVP and Rooney miss as many games as this year? I would say around the same as they are now.

Dont blame Moyes, he puts the team out there its the players who are letting him down. Be happy he is willing to spend big, United have the money and give him time. All great teams will have off year and will need time to get back to their best.

yeah...without RVP the previous season we lost the title on goal difference, pushed a billion dollar team right to the last kick of the season. The previous season we won the title. And Rooney has always had spells out with injury during his time at United. So that argument doesn't hold any weight.

It makes me laugh whenfans (other than the Liverpool fans/trolling) of other clubs saying we should give Moyes a chance when he hasn't shown one ioata of indication that he can improve and get us better. It's insane and I bet had he been doing this at their clubs, they would be wanting him out ASAP too.

Seriously though Moyes is our Souness version for United . The more time he stays with United the more Irreparable becomes the damage he causes to them .

Its not just about the results the playing style mentality training methods - all about Moyes just screams mid table mentality . He is dragging them to his level.

This guy never tried to improve his playing style or mentality despite having 10 pressure free years at Everton . And people thing he will impose with united given time

If United lose this weekend he will get fired. 

I think it's admirable that Utd are backing Moyes, it shows they are, if not as intelligent, at least more noble than the rest of us.

Moyes just needs a couple of couple of seasons, he needs to bring in his own players, one by one.

This year he brought in enforcements for CAM, 2 players for 75m €, in order to play Rooney there.
Next year another position will be dealt with, in descending order of where it's needed the least.

Things like that take time, you know, at that rate about 11 years.

Give Moyes a fair chance, ffs!

I dunno how anyone can say, Moyes deserves/needs time...like we have any evidence he is capable if given that time.

Comparisons to Fergie's first years are incredibly flawed.

Fergie first of all, won before he got to Utd.

Second, Fergie kicked out alot of players because they were on drink/drugs and many of whom were known to be very very good players.

Moyes has never done anything to even make us think he is capable of leading a team to the ultimate summit and he hasnt had to kick out anyone. He has the same squad which won the title, plus his apparent favourite player Felliani and a young talent nobody in the league was ready for.

He and Utd over the summer went for unattainable targets and when they inevitably couldnt get them, had no back up plan and settled on nothing and some Belgium flick on long ball expert.

I am not even saying they should sack him, but the team needs to show progress under him from week to week, month to month and if anything its going backwards.

Maybe its blasphemy to say, but maybe Fergie picked wrong and someone has to undo it. Finishing outside the top 4 is not acceptable for a club like that...rebuilding or not.

Props Zealous and Dani for atleast knowing some history behind SAF's appointment. Totally different circumstances and he had nowhere the resources and team that Moyes was handed. He not so much had to guide a sleeping giant back to the top, but he had to rebuild the whole club from the ground. And due to his CV, he was awarded the time to do so.

Can't tell you how annoyed I get when I read people using the 'well Fergie was given time' argument. Even some Utd fans say it too. It's a ridiculous comparison.

Ferguson made plenty of big signings in his early seasons and never won anything. He had all the resources. Man Utd finished near the relegation zone in the 1990 season.

It's clear this current Man Utd sign were running mainly due to Ferguson. Now with him leaving, that all collapses. Moyes has to build from scratch. Also it's not just Moyes' fault they failed to sign top players last summer.

Moyes was appointed due to what he offers, which is long term stability, not because he's won infinite trophies.

Read my posts again, you will find all my answers there. I'm not going to keep going back and forth on it.

Yohan Modric wrote:Ferguson made plenty of big signings in his early seasons and never won anything. He had all the resources. Man Utd finished near the relegation zone in the 1990 season.

It's clear this current Man Utd sign were running mainly due to Ferguson. Now with him leaving, that all collapses. Moyes has to build from scratch. Also it's not just Moyes' fault they failed to sign top players last summer.

Moyes was appointed due to what he offers, which is long term stability, not because he's won infinite trophies.

What's the point of long-term stability if that stability is in mid-table ?

Might have as well turned into another Stoke.

They're 6th currently. Moyes would ideally rebuild the team within 2-3 seasons. Right now it's the 7th month incharge for a manager who managed a midtable club for 10 years.

Raptorgunner wrote:If United lose this weekend he will get fired. 

Its a 100% fact United wont lose this weekend   

Yohan Modric wrote:Ferguson made plenty of big signings in his early seasons and never won anything. He had all the resources. Man Utd finished near the relegation zone in the 1990 season.

It's clear this current Man Utd sign were running mainly due to Ferguson. Now with him leaving, that all collapses. Moyes has to build from scratch. Also it's not just Moyes' fault they failed to sign top players last summer.

Moyes was appointed due to what he offers, which is long term stability, not because he's won infinite trophies.

How many squads do you think are better than United in the league?