Who is the CL dark horse?

Clubs not considered dark horses: Barca, RM, Chelsea, United, Bayern, Dortmund

PSG and Atletico Madrid.

Arsenal maybe.

I dont know, I dont have any logical reasoning like I do for Atletico, but I wanted to be different.

I cant imagine how Santi, Ozil and Walcott will put in the type of defensive shift needed consistently, but just ignoring that for a minute, the way they are playing and will play once they get Walcott back is impressive.

Looking at it right now, more chance than Madrid. Say the same about Atletico.

I'd say Arsenal. Wenger's experienced and Arsenal are versatile this season.

Its between Arsenal and Atletico.... the rest have too many flaws or won't qualify to begin with

Well Arsenal themselves are not assured of a qualification just yet

Arsenal and Atletico.

This forum is going to jinx the shit out of Atletico.

Assuming dark horse = outsider who can win the comp (rather than go close), i'll go with PSG and Juve. Both are strong across the park and can beat anyone on their day. If PSG can work out what to do with Cavani, i'm sure noone will want to face them. Ditto if Juve work out how to best play a 4 man backline with their squad (and get out of the group stages).

Not saying Atleti and Arsenal haven't been impressive but i just don't see either winning the comp unless their opponent has a bad day.

As an aside, what are Man U doing on the 'not a dark horse' list? Surely PSG, Juve and City are less of a dark horse than Man U!??!

PSG for sure, tbh right now id have them ahead of Chelsea and BVB (considering their situation in the group and possibility for a really tough game in the R16)

United don't deserve to be on the list either, Moyes has been clueless against mid table PL sides, hes got no chance vs big CL sides