Ajax v Milan

JespSwe wrote:

Dante wrote:Calm down Jesp , nobody offended you or anything. I am pretty sure not me or Arq said you made stuff up about Allegri ; i am just saying you always critisize him harshly and blame him on too many fronts after each bad result. I never said you didn't give him credit when he doesn't make mistakes , or that you don't do that. Again , i am pretty sure both me and Arq have immense respect for you as a poster , even with our daily disagreement about Allegri , i never said a half a bad thing about you , it's just clear on this discussion we see it differently . No wrong in that , not sure why you took it like that.

I said you're biased against him and it's true , you cannot deny this nor you have to hide it either. We discuss here , it's only normal we will disagree at some point. Anyway , you re taking the bad results too seriously . Yes today Montolivo got back and we had Balotelli back as well , but the team as a collective has yet to progress and play matches with the main players all together.

I am pretty sure you know that counts a lot more than tactics used , the manager or ref decisions.

now i have started to feel you only read my negative comments on allegri. its alright. thats fine. what i write positive is not visible to you. so i feel like i have been contributing poor here.

so its all good. yet again i have already said i have said plenty of positives about allegri and u again failed to read that. forget it bro! save your time then for something you feel important and fun to do than reading my biased post ^.^V no hard feelings.

No , i am pretty sure i always 100% read all of your posts , whatever you have to say , Allegri or not Allegri. It's just that the majority of your posts with regards to Allegri is mostly against him and the good stuff you say about him are much less in comparison.The general idea is obviously that you don't like him that much

Which , once gain , is totally fine. It's your opinion Jesp , no need to perplex stuff.

JespSwe wrote:2 games lost, 2 games drawn out of which torino was robbed thanks to referee, 2 games won even against cagliari milan was super vulnerable, if only they had finisher like Toni did to us. 10 goals conceded in 5 games ... and tonight the result i feel really bad for ajax more than us.. and so far allegri is pretty satisfied with the results and way things he has been working.i will take this string of performance very lightly.  

yeah might throw a celebration party for it .. why the hell not..

lol

To be completely honest , i don't like it either when he says he's satisfied after such performances or bad results.. sometimes he is partly right , sometimes not. In any case , tonight wasn't the case , though the result itself isn't bad , if i look back at the game at least. I feel he respected Ajax too much in this game in the first place. We could do more in the 1st half and i am sure he gets that .In any case,

I think our alpha and omega issue so far has been the injuries , we all understand that. Allegri has done mistakes but does 'ok' so far with the problems he has to deal with. I still get mad when i see Muntari play , or when i see yet another goal from a set piece , but i can only wait for better days , nothing else.

Our team as a whole is what it is at the moment and like you said numerous times , both the team and Allegri lack support in the transfer market. On the other hand , you could say Allegri can do better with what he had so far. There's the other side , which says he has done all he could with what he had so far. It's fine both way. But tbh , when we had a propper defensive duo in Nesta-T.Silva , those stuff were rare scenarios and i think it says a lot , don't you think.

Dante wrote:

JespSwe wrote:

Dante wrote:Calm down Jesp , nobody offended you or anything. I am pretty sure not me or Arq said you made stuff up about Allegri ; i am just saying you always critisize him harshly and blame him on too many fronts after each bad result. I never said you didn't give him credit when he doesn't make mistakes , or that you don't do that. Again , i am pretty sure both me and Arq have immense respect for you as a poster , even with our daily disagreement about Allegri , i never said a half a bad thing about you , it's just clear on this discussion we see it differently . No wrong in that , not sure why you took it like that.

I said you're biased against him and it's true , you cannot deny this nor you have to hide it either. We discuss here , it's only normal we will disagree at some point. Anyway , you re taking the bad results too seriously . Yes today Montolivo got back and we had Balotelli back as well , but the team as a collective has yet to progress and play matches with the main players all together.

I am pretty sure you know that counts a lot more than tactics used , the manager or ref decisions.

now i have started to feel you only read my negative comments on allegri. its alright. thats fine. what i write positive is not visible to you. so i feel like i have been contributing poor here.

so its all good. yet again i have already said i have said plenty of positives about allegri and u again failed to read that. forget it bro! save your time then for something you feel important and fun to do than reading my biased post ^.^V no hard feelings.

No , i am pretty sure i always 100% read all of your posts , whatever you have to say , Allegri or not Allegri. It's just that the majority of your posts with regards to Allegri is mostly against him and the good stuff you say about him are much less in comparison.The general idea is obviously that you don't like him that much

Which , once gain , is totally fine. It's your opinion Jesp , no need to perplex stuff.

what do want me to say if allegri is doing poor. i had posted stuff where i have shown patience, i have said its not allegri's fault how at times we played well and still got defeated, i have said its not allegri;s fault, that injury has made him deprived, its not his fault with mass exodus of stars its difficult for him. i have even praised him when we lost to inter or juve i had seen impressive displays from both team and direction and tactics from allegri..

games like torino, verona, i can even go from the past, from last season like udinese, like leece, like fiorentina, lazio, and there are so mnay games where he messed up bad. from tactics, wrong subs, from no direction no ideas nothing.

so all these stuffs are biased??? it is negative, but its constructive criticism, i want milan to do well, i want allegri to do well. dont you tell me that i dont want to see allegri do well. i have been wanting to do well all these years. he hasn't lived up to expectations. he is lucky that we have galliani who have showed respect and patience. he is very lucky! he wouldn't last half a season elewhere

Jesp pal its not Allegri, look at what we all write including yourself about Mexes and Zapata partnership, what can the poor guy do about it. If/ when we get any of them out for injury or suspension have we ever thought what might happen to us? Will we blame Allegri for it again?

Look at our midfielders it is bad to the extend I actually see Muntari good enough now.

we were a few minutes away from getting koed on the group stages....

baresi wrote:Jesp pal its not Allegri, look at what we all write including yourself about Mexes and Zapata partnership, what can the poor guy do about it. If/ when we get any of them out for injury or suspension have we ever thought what might happen to us? Will we blame Allegri for it again?

Look at our midfielders it is bad to the extend I actually see Muntari good enough now.

when allegri says i am happy with the way we have been playing? i dont know if thats something to be really happy about as a milan fan, especially the results we are getting but he seems really satisfied with every results. i admit, mexes zapata or any defenders at his disposal was not his fault. but then he did get option on strengthening the weakness and he chose matri (l rate matri and he is good striker but still, there were other worries to be concerned about).

but i can feel allegri can do so much better. a little bit of direction, details, if players are making same mistakes over and over again, which we can clearly see, cus its all we have for now. its his job to tell zapata and mexes, and if they still make those mistake, its his job to report this to galliani.

but then i am just a poster, i cant see the reality behind it.

i agree to your post, but i gotta strange feeling that even we have best and fit squad available, he will still prefer muntari ahead of poli ^O^

Ganso wrote:we were a few minutes away from getting koed on the group stages....

we were very lucky today. with montolivo returning and robinho in a better form, i thought milan could have done better.

and if monto was playing. wished he coupled with poli and de jjong. and muntari came as a sub!

Perhaps you're right , i am most probably wrong , about that every other game you blame Allegri , that's just the general consensus you've left me with your posts most times after bad results . lol anyway

Yes Jesp , of course i know you want him to do well , despite your critisicm. I am not even discussing that. I am just saying , our main issue is the players and always was the players. Managers have a say , obviously , but the results and general quality of football lies on the players shoulders mostly. There have been cases where Allegri messed up , no doubt . I am pretty sure even his strongest supporters will agree too.

Yet , i feel with a ready squad and proper support in the market , the majority of our fanbase would hold Allegri in much more esteem than they do . He hasn't done bad when the squad was full and he had support, you know this i believe. Any fanbase looks for scapegoats after defeats and it's no different with Milan. I was critical of Allegri many times in those 4 seasons , but when he had a say in things , not when situations where out of control.

And despite our seemingly pathetic situation on the field so far , i still think we will have a good season. Although if we miss CL football by any chance , Allegri will be past by half time

But seriously , i want to see what the next manager will do after Allegri. You wonder what his admirers see in Allegri and i wonder why his critics blame him this much. I guess both sides are right and wrong both at the same time . In parts. Whatever the coach though , it's the players that concern us most , won't you agree . And we need investments to happen badly , Allegri or not Allegri.

Having to rely on players like Birsa , Muntari or washed up like Abbiati and Robinho , isn't going to get us far , whoever the coach is ..I am pretty sure you understand how cycle in football works and we are in this time that we are not on the top yet.. i am just more cool about it , others don't even see it this way. I don't think Milan's problem is the coach and even though he's nowhere near perfect , i regard him as a good coach , who can do great stuff if things go his way. Just my opinion

and tbh i thought the first half was just a preparation for the Barca games and the Juve game on the week end. It was our final game before facing Juve and i seriously think this will be our approach against Juve, or to see how well the players can adopt without the ball.

baresi wrote:and tbh i thought the first half was just a preparation for the Barca games  and the Juve game on the week end. It was our final game before facing Juve and i seriously think this will be our approach against Juve, or to see how well the players can adopt without the ball.

didn't even think of this , even though i understood the team played like that on purpose in the first half. Let's hope it works .

Ganso wrote:we were a few minutes away from getting koed on the group stages....

not sure i agree with this , but in any case , i agree we were lucky tonight. Although it's true had we lost tonight , things would get messy down the road .

Tbh , did anybody else expected the comeback after we conceded ..? i did , in all honesty , though i thought we would do so with playing football , Balotelli lmao

Dante wrote:Perhaps you're right , i am most probably wrong , about that every other game you blame Allegri , that's just the general consensus you've left me with your posts most times after bad results . lol anyway

Yes Jesp , of course i know you want him to do well , despite your critisicm. I am not even discussing that. I am just saying , our main issue is the players and always was the players. Managers have a say , obviously , but the results and general quality of football lies on the players shoulders mostly. There have been cases where Allegri messed up , no doubt . I am pretty sure even his strongest supporters will agree too.

Yet , i feel with a ready squad and proper support in the market , the majority of our fanbase would hold Allegri in much more esteem than they do . He hasn't done bad when the squad was full and he had support, you know this i believe. Any fanbase looks for scapegoats after defeats and it's no different with Milan. I was critical of Allegri many times in those 4 seasons , but when he had a say in things , not when situations where out of control.

And despite our seemingly pathetic situation on the field so far :lol , i still think we will have a good season. Although if we miss CL football by any chance , Allegri will be past by half time

But seriously , i want to see what the next manager will do after Allegri. You wonder what his admirers see in Allegri and i wonder why his critics blame him this much. I guess both sides are right and wrong both at the same time . In parts. Whatever the coach though , it's the players that concern us most , won't you agree . And we need investments to happen badly , Allegri or not Allegri.

Having to rely on players like Birsa , Muntari or washed up like Abbiati and Robinho , isn't going to get us far , whoever the coach is :lol:I am pretty sure you understand how cycle in football works and we are in this time that we are not on the top yet.. i am just more cool about it , others don't even see it this way. I don't think Milan's problem is the coach and even though he's nowhere near perfect , i regard him as a good coach , who can do great stuff if things go his way. Just my opinion

if thats the case, do you agree if i said, the reason why we got 3rd in the league was because of el sharawwy and balotelli most of the time, it was story of two half of the season, more than allegri himself saving it?

i do commend on allegri in which i felt the result was harsh against us, when we really pushed inter and juve against them, and got unfair result.

and sorry if you feel differently, but even when he had good squad on disposal, i have seen him mess up badly. and i am not backslash going on him based on one game. and not just two or three games. if it was, then i would absolutely give allegri chance because i am not one of those fans who are super spoiled, that one two games and i want managers out!

and yes when we have some poor players on disposal, its not allegri;s fault either. but there are good players, there were times when we had proper full squad fit ones too, and at times i have seen under his direction that our team was playing horror game. now that can happen few times. but it shouldn;t happen in consecutive games.


i do apologize you and arq, for emotional outburst, but i am simply seeing negatives, when we should have got atleast decent showing. i dont mind milan loosing. but i want milan to loose with dignity, but alteast showing that spirit that milan spirit, i want allegri to show and prove that he can still get decent result, under bad squad and prove and make people think oh this manager has done awful lot despite that s..tload of bad players. i don't want allegri to fail, dont u think man ^O^ that i want him out and have personal hatred. i am not that gay.. its purely on result and everytime when i hear him say i am satisfied, i am happy, when people are seeing horror showing!

it angers me that we have conceded so many goals every game, and just a penalty to save the day, and result favoring us and suddenly allegri coming out and saying "i am satisfied and happy with result.

i admit , coaches need to come out and say positives, but not like openly admitting that our team played well, media is so powerful nowadays, it makes players think that result that they are getting are not bad as previously thought.

we had times when we won 2-1 and ancelotti wasn't happy with the defensive display or build up, but he said positives like we have to improve this and that. and actually proving it by showing in next game. well its unfair to say allegri should do that with s..t squad we have but, nevertheless allegri is coach, even we have some s..t players , make no mistake, milan is still one of the best club, and our history and prestige is important , we have to respect that coach have to as well, thats what it means to become coach for milan!!

JespSwe wrote:

Dante wrote:Perhaps you're right , i am most probably wrong , about that every other game you blame Allegri , that's just the general consensus you've left me with your posts most times after bad results . lol anyway

Yes Jesp , of course i know you want him to do well , despite your critisicm. I am not even discussing that. I am just saying , our main issue is the players and always was the players. Managers have a say , obviously , but the results and general quality of football lies on the players shoulders mostly. There have been cases where Allegri messed up , no doubt . I am pretty sure even his strongest supporters will agree too.

Yet , i feel with a ready squad and proper support in the market , the majority of our fanbase would hold Allegri in much more esteem than they do . He hasn't done bad when the squad was full and he had support, you know this i believe. Any fanbase looks for scapegoats after defeats and it's no different with Milan. I was critical of Allegri many times in those 4 seasons , but when he had a say in things , not when situations where out of control.

And despite our seemingly pathetic situation on the field so far :lol , i still think we will have a good season. Although if we miss CL football by any chance , Allegri will be past by half time

But seriously , i want to see what the next manager will do after Allegri. You wonder what his admirers see in Allegri and i wonder why his critics blame him this much. I guess both sides are right and wrong both at the same time . In parts. Whatever the coach though , it's the players that concern us most , won't you agree . And we need investments to happen badly , Allegri or not Allegri.

Having to rely on players like Birsa , Muntari or washed up like Abbiati and Robinho , isn't going to get us far , whoever the coach is :lol:I am pretty sure you understand how cycle in football works and we are in this time that we are not on the top yet.. i am just more cool about it , others don't even see it this way. I don't think Milan's problem is the coach and even though he's nowhere near perfect , i regard him as a good coach , who can do great stuff if things go his way. Just my opinion

if thats the case, do you agree if i said, the reason why we got 3rd in the league was because of el sharawwy and balotelli most of the time, it was story of two half of the season, more than allegri himself saving it?

i do commend on allegri in which i felt the result was harsh against us, when we really pushed inter and juve against them, and got unfair result.

and sorry if you feel differently, but even when he had good squad on disposal, i have seen him mess up badly. and i am not backslash going on him based on one game. and not just two or three games. if it was, then i would absolutely give allegri chance because i am not one of those fans who are super spoiled, that one two games and i want managers out!

and yes when we have some poor players on disposal, its not allegri;s fault either. but there are good players, there were times when we had proper full squad fit ones too, and at times i have seen under his direction that our team was playing horror game. now that can happen few times. but it shouldn;t happen in consecutive games.


i do apologize you and arq, for emotional outburst, but i am simply seeing negatives, when we should have got atleast decent showing. i dont mind milan loosing. but i want milan to loose with dignity, but alteast showing that spirit that milan spirit, i want allegri to show and prove that he can still get decent result, under bad squad and prove and make people think oh this manager has done awful lot despite that s..tload of bad players. i don't want allegri to fail, dont u think man ^O^ that i want him out and have personal hatred. i am not that gay.. its purely on result and everytime when i hear him say i am satisfied, i am happy, when people are seeing horror showing!

my sides

lol Jesp , i understand. The part i agree definitely is that sometimes during his time here , i think we should have been playing better , yeah.. As for the 3rd place last season , i always did and i still give credit to the whole team , not just Allegri. For me , Allegri is a vital part of the team and i don't separate coach from team , because theoriticaly a team is 1 unit , going after the same goal , something that exists within Milan .

So up to an extend , i answer yes , it's due to Ses-Balotelli getting some games when we wouldn't have won with just Allegri's tactics and decisions. And i also answer no , because a team who loses only two league games since November untill May , isn't just down to 2 players . Any coach who has just two league defeats in such a long period in time , had done some great work with the team he has. And when i consider how he was treated since summer , how he lost levels of quality and had to compete the next day , it makes it even more admirable to me .

There are always two sides on the same coin and it's no different here. As for when Allegri had a full squad and support , we won the league that season , he had both. Next season right away we won the Italian Super cup as well , though i rate this as the same season tbh. Next season , with financial support cut short at least by half , he fought untill the end in Serie A with the most depleted side i have ever seen in my life. That we fought that long with so many injuries against all odds , is something i at least will never forget. Cup and CL , there he obviously made a lot of mistakes , especially in the cup. Against Barcelona the game was dubious and the opposition was of elite quality , didn't expect the world tbh.

In any case , let's just agree to disagree Jesp .. Allegri won't be here forever and we both want the same thing and that is Milan to do well , that's what matters anyway. A manager always gets blame and praise , gets criticised and applauded , sometimes all that during the course of one single game lol.. Tbh , the way fans talk about managers is always going to be different . Not all of us see the same things in the same people . I can say stuff about Ancelotti for instance that would surprise you and i have tbf , both good and bad stuff. No coach gets away with it and no coach is the prototype , let's just make our critisicm and hope for the best.

baresi wrote:and tbh i thought the first half was just a preparation for the Barca games  and the Juve game on the week end. It was our final game before facing Juve and i seriously think this will be our approach against Juve, or to see how well the players can adopt without the ball.

Hmm, very good point, I was thinking that Allegri intended for the first half to go at a slow pace but didn't think of this point.

Anyway, in the second half, we played beautiful football which is the result of Allegri's hard work and tactical intelligence. I just hope the management and the milan lab does their part and actually follow Allegri's lead, learn from their mistakes.

@Dante, continuing on our previous discussion

I have seen huge improvements from Allegri in the last 2 games, he is learning from his mistakes and is improvising despite the circumstances; he was slow but better later than never. This is what separates a very good coach from a great coach.

I am sorry but everyone in the Milan section is harsh on Allegri almost every season since he came and at the end he always gets commended for how he does with the team and if we had the same core players since he was put in charge we would be one of the top teams in the world but that isn't possible for us anymore and people aren't coming to terms with that yet.....We have horrible depth and a horror show of a defence and piss poor luck in terms of injuries...SES getting injured from a knock on the day he returned to the squad says it all...

Also all teams depend on their top players that's the reason they are called top players so please for the love of god people need to stop saying SES and Balo carried us its known and it doesn't need to be repeated...

Dante wrote:

JespSwe wrote:

Dante wrote:Perhaps you're right , i am most probably wrong , about that every other game you blame Allegri , that's just the general consensus you've left me with your posts most times after bad results . lol anyway

Yes Jesp , of course i know you want him to do well , despite your critisicm. I am not even discussing that. I am just saying , our main issue is the players and always was the players. Managers have a say , obviously , but the results and general quality of football lies on the players shoulders mostly. There have been cases where Allegri messed up , no doubt . I am pretty sure even his strongest supporters will agree too.

Yet , i feel with a ready squad and proper support in the market , the majority of our fanbase would hold Allegri in much more esteem than they do . He hasn't done bad when the squad was full and he had support, you know this i believe. Any fanbase looks for scapegoats after defeats and it's no different with Milan. I was critical of Allegri many times in those 4 seasons , but when he had a say in things , not when situations where out of control.

And despite our seemingly pathetic situation on the field so far :lol , i still think we will have a good season. Although if we miss CL football by any chance , Allegri will be past by half time

But seriously , i want to see what the next manager will do after Allegri. You wonder what his admirers see in Allegri and i wonder why his critics blame him this much. I guess both sides are right and wrong both at the same time . In parts. Whatever the coach though , it's the players that concern us most , won't you agree . And we need investments to happen badly , Allegri or not Allegri.

Having to rely on players like Birsa , Muntari or washed up like Abbiati and Robinho , isn't going to get us far , whoever the coach is :lol:I am pretty sure you understand how cycle in football works and we are in this time that we are not on the top yet.. i am just more cool about it , others don't even see it this way. I don't think Milan's problem is the coach and even though he's nowhere near perfect , i regard him as a good coach , who can do great stuff if things go his way. Just my opinion

if thats the case, do you agree if i said, the reason why we got 3rd in the league was because of el sharawwy and balotelli most of the time, it was story of two half of the season, more than allegri himself saving it?

i do commend on allegri in which i felt the result was harsh against us, when we really pushed inter and juve against them, and got unfair result.

and sorry if you feel differently, but even when he had good squad on disposal, i have seen him mess up badly. and i am not backslash going on him based on one game. and not just two or three games. if it was, then i would absolutely give allegri chance because i am not one of those fans who are super spoiled, that one two games and i want managers out!

and yes when we have some poor players on disposal, its not allegri;s fault either. but there are good players, there were times when we had proper full squad fit ones too, and at times i have seen under his direction that our team was playing horror game. now that can happen few times. but it shouldn;t happen in consecutive games.


i do apologize you and arq, for emotional outburst, but i am simply seeing negatives, when we should have got atleast decent showing. i dont mind milan loosing. but i want milan to loose with dignity, but alteast showing that spirit that milan spirit, i want allegri to show and prove that he can still get decent result, under bad squad and prove and make people think oh this manager has done awful lot despite that s..tload of bad players. i don't want allegri to fail, dont u think man ^O^ that i want him out and have personal hatred. i am not that gay.. its purely on result and everytime when i hear him say i am satisfied, i am happy, when people are seeing horror showing!

my sides

lol Jesp , i understand. The part i agree definitely is that sometimes during his time here , i think we should have been playing better , yeah.. As for the 3rd place last season , i always did and i still give credit to the whole team , not just Allegri. For me , Allegri is a vital part of the team and i don't separate coach from team , because theoriticaly a team is 1 unit , going after the same goal , something that exists within Milan .

So up to an extend , i answer yes , it's due to Ses-Balotelli getting some games when we wouldn't have won with just Allegri's tactics and decisions. And i also answer no , because a team who loses only two league games since November untill May , isn't just down to 2 players . Any coach who has just two league defeats in such a long period in time , had done some great work with the team he has. And when i consider how he was treated since summer , how he lost levels of quality and had to compete the next day , it makes it even more admirable to me .

There are always two sides on the same coin and it's no different here. As for when Allegri had a full squad and support , we won the league that season , he had both. Next season right away we won the Italian Super cup as well , though i rate this as the same season tbh. Next season , with financial support cut short at least by half , he fought untill the end in Serie A with the most depleted side i have ever seen in my life. That we fought that long with so many injuries against all odds , is something i at least will never forget. Cup and CL , there he obviously made a lot of mistakes , especially in the cup. Against Barcelona the game was dubious and the opposition was of elite quality , didn't expect the world tbh.

In any case , let's just agree to disagree Jesp .. Allegri won't be here forever and we both want the same thing and that is Milan to do well , that's what matters anyway. A manager always gets blame and praise , gets criticised and applauded , sometimes all that during the course of one single game lol.. Tbh , the way fans talk about managers is always going to be different . Not all of us see the same things in the same people . I can say stuff about Ancelotti for instance that would surprise you and i have tbf , both good and bad stuff. No coach gets away with it and no coach is the prototype , let's just make our critisicm and hope for the best.

there are various aspects to why we succeeded and failed under allegri, but my argument with allegri was not just based on 1-2 games, it was because of string of results or i see how same thing happening, or how the manner we got defeated or how we were humiliated until some of our players saved the day. it can happen once or twice, and believe me i even said, things can happen but its allergi's job to analyse game and address situation not to repeat again, set tactical plans and ideas on how to encounter these issues. we cant always have leece like performance, torino like performance, udinese like performance, against lazio and roma absolutely butchered, relegated palermo scored 2 goals to zero before half time, el sharawwy had to bail allegri time and time again. and siena performance which required last minute mexes goal and controversial penalty. if it was one off, or even few times that can happen i understand. if thats happening consecutive times.. its not good. its coach job to do that. i understand we have players who suck, and i have been one of those people that have been voicing over and over again that these players at disposal will always be a problem a no matter what coach do, it will remain the same. but i know the times when we had decent players on disposal, atleast lets say lecce siena, or torino , or even lazio fioretina udinese,palermo team wise they are not superior than us. it really cant happen again and again. and even it was marginal defeat, i understand i can live up with slips up it can happen to anybody. or any club.

i see guys like moyes, and then see allegri and think damn... moyes has way better players on disposal than us, and yet he is cocking up at utd. i feel for allegri i do. but there are times, when our opponent has better plans and out do us.... we can't just say oh we have injuries they have not. well we have injuries but still we have better players than us, and they have outdone us with a better masterplan.


same goes to you nichbar. or my fellow posters who think i have been harsh on allegri. i admit i have been harsh, but its not nice, seeing our team fail when we know we have players who can do better.
i know the reality, i am not spoiled fan, the glory heydays are over, but i expect our club our players and coach to still put dignified performance, and even if we loose 1-0 2-0 3-0 i dont mind, because i would see some admirable performance, i have always admired. if we play s s..t and allegri comes out and says we have played very well, thats just incredibly frustrating.

recently even our loyal ultras has been frustrated with the performance and they voiced their frustration at milanello. that says allegri you better do your job well!! people are counting on you!

and ya dante, allegri is not going to be here forever, but if he were to leave, i want him to leave with good memories here. no milan fans want to see any milan staff fall from grace and get their s..t kicked out of. because our opponents make mock out of it, and its not a nice feeling to read that in paper or in thread.

nichabr wrote:I am sorry but everyone in the Milan section is harsh on Allegri almost every season since he came and at the end he always gets commended for how he does with the team and if we had the same core players since he was put in charge we would be one of the top teams in the world but that isn't possible for us anymore and people aren't coming to terms with that yet.....We have horrible depth and a horror show of a defence and piss poor luck in terms of injuries...SES getting injured from a knock on the day he returned to the squad says it all...

Also all teams depend on their top players that's the reason they are called top players so please for the love of god people need to stop saying SES and Balo carried us its known and it doesn't need to be repeated...

I was never always against Allegri, i gave credit were credit is due. But when you roll back the years and see all of the silly mistakes he did (TS risked in CI, Tottenham) as well as recurring problems that haven't been addressed yet since he was put in charge (Horrible start to seasons, set piece issues) it makes me want to blow my head out.

We need someone that has the passion, the animosity, to drive his players into thinking that nothing other than a win is acceptable. This "We play to draw away from home, and we win at home" isn't acceptable, we should go for a win in 100% of our games. Again, i will bring up Arsenal. Look at their record in away games, absolutely outstanding. They carried last year's second half mentality into this season. So why are still having shitty starts and need a 'wake up' game?

Hopefully we get an able manager, someone who can instill the right mentality and get the best out of this squad

El Shaarawy wrote:

nichabr wrote:I am sorry but everyone in the Milan section is harsh on Allegri almost every season since he came and at the end he always gets commended for how he does with the team and if we had the same core players since he was put in charge we would be one of the top teams in the world but that isn't possible for us anymore and people aren't coming to terms with that yet.....We have horrible depth and a horror show of a defence and piss poor luck in terms of injuries...SES getting injured from a knock on the day he returned to the squad says it all...

Also all teams depend on their top players that's the reason they are called top players so please for the love of god people need to stop saying SES and Balo carried us its known and it doesn't need to be repeated...

I was never always against Allegri, i gave credit were credit is due. But when you roll back the years and see all of the silly mistakes he did (TS risked in CI, Tottenham) as well as recurring problems that haven't been addressed yet since he was put in charge (Horrible start to seasons, set piece issues) it makes me want to blow my head out.

We need someone that has the passion, the animosity, to drive his players into thinking that nothing other than a win is acceptable. This "We play to draw away from home, and we win at home" isn't acceptable, we should go for a win in 100% of our games. Again, i will bring up Arsenal. Look at their record in away games, absolutely outstanding. They carried last year's second half mentality into this season. So why are still having shitty starts and need a 'wake up' game?

Hopefully we get an able manager, someone who can instill the right mentality and get the best out of this squad

yes i remember tottenham game, and TS risked full 120 mins in coppa when we had yepes in backup and barcelona game. and yeah man i rightfully defend that injury is not helping but seriously set pieces those issues are happening for consecutive games, i dont know how they work in milanello but damn they really had plenty of time to address the seriousness of situation. and i also agree, that ok we have some incapable players who let down the team, and also we have injury issues, its allegri's job to remind, that they are not playing for small teams and they shouldn't kid themselves. well he should be having that winning menality at all times, maybe he does but, its not nice hearing when he comes to media and says we have played well, i am happy, when defense is conceding s..t load of goals, besides mexes are zapata are first team players anyway. its not as if first team CBs are injured. and it wasn't pleasant especially hearing allegri say oh we will be back to form when we have injured players back and THEN i have ideas how to fix this problem... thats the most weakest line i have ever heard from milan coach ever..!
i would have wanted him to say something like ok injuries are not helping but we gotta do best with what we have available but the problems we are having with defense should be sorted nevertheless. kaka el sharawwy are not part of defense anyway, although el sharawwy work ethics is excellent because he helps in defense too. only de sciglio is part of the defense. he has mexes zapata available, they are the first team players they are the ones makiing stupid silly mistakes and also muntari is giving ball away, or our forwards are loosing ball cheaply, these can be addressed or sorted out we dont need to wait for injured players to get recovered.

well there are so many stuffs to mention about allegri. i really want to do him well. but its stuff like these its pissing me off. allegri's hands are not cuffed. he still can make difference where its possible, and i haven't seen any drastic or even small improvements. and i am hoping to because, we have lost awful lot of points , its time our team hit the gears by now

All I will say is this: another goal conceded from a cross or corner and a virtually unmarked header.

We know that Milan wont challenge for trophies with the current owner, but what we hope and expect to see, is 11 players going on a pitch trying to put on a performance for the fans.
You can see that there is zero desire for many of our games until the last couple of minutes when the players start realizing that they might actully lose.

Forza wrote:All I will say is this: another goal conceded from a cross or corner and a virtually unmarked header.

This!!! Every single corner i get scared. Most of the times, my fear is justified.

Jespswe has every right to be criticizing Allegri along with our poor results, after all, he is our coach, no?

Allegri will probably be ok once the full squad is back, but if not, there are no excuses.

My problem in this period is the sadness showed on the pitch, its like we can barely keep up with a mediocre Serie A team for half the time, and this is also shown by the supporters at the last home game. How many turned up for that one? Looked like below 30 k lol, and a lot of jeering after the first half.

Guys , as far as set pieces go. How many times it must be said , that's not Allegri's fault. It's the players fault mostly .

For instance , look at Abate. Once again , he is marking no one (maybe the ref). Zapata ain't so good in the air either , rest sometimes defend opponents , sometimes try to anticipate the ball and mark the open space. If you seriously believe Allegri hasn't tried to help them do better , adress this in trainings or have not complained about it to the players , you are naive to think so. We know this is the case since Nesta-Silva left Milan ,who organised the defence so wisely and effectively , this is nothing new.Come on now. You think 1 year or so Allegri just watches this happen and says " ok , that's nothing , i will write it down to my balls like i do with all our problems.. "

It's simply the players we have . A team being good at set pieces , has two sides. The offensive and the defensive and we simply suck in the defensive part , it's not just the CBs. A great part also goes to the opposition which should know how to exploit these cases , because it's not just us who do stuff at set pieces.Even the teams who have set pieces as their main strength , concede from those at some point . And to my main point about set pieces , which frankly none of you have even mentioned about so far , i didn't want to be the one who would say it but nevertheless ..

Abbiati. Abbiati is so old school in set pieces and it's so unacceptable for a team in 2013 to have a keeper who can only stay inside his small area during set pieces(except free kicks obviously). Can Allegri make him faster , or improve his reflexes at 36? Even his anticipation skills are quite off the mark this season . The sad irony is , i don't even want to imagine what would happen if he went off the small box like modern keepers are supposed to do.

He will go out of his area maybe , i reitarate maybe if the ball gets ridiculously close to him , 2 out of 10 times to block / bash the ball away. Check it up if you like . He doesn't because he is so slow and generally speaking he was never really good at this . Nevertheless if he did , we would surely concede much more from set pieces and that's a sad thing to realise. Many goals from set pieces would have been avoided had we a better GK , for all our lack of concentration or wrong anticipation moments. We like it or not , that's the fkn truth and for all Abbiati's inability or limits , we have no better . Allegri's fault , right? Serie A is surplass to great GKs , always has been. Blame Galliani if you want , he could have signed Marchetti not that long ago . Instead he let's Lazio with a greak GK and signs a good talent in Gabriel , but for all we know , only goodness knows when he will be ready for a starting place.


I do accept the fact that these moments in games can be improved , mostly down to how the players set up . First how you set up to defend the corner , then to begin counters. Our players adapt to the opponent rather choose a selective set up to defend and the opponent outsmarts them . It's that simple. Having said all that , even if you have the best CB duo like we had in Nesta-Silva and any kind of approach during set ups , you can still concede and mistakes of the moment can always happen. Being so critical and demanding when deep down you know in certain areas in games we know are limits , is quite frustrating to see. As long as players like Abate , Zapata lack concentration or other players stay up for the counter and especially Abbiati is our keeper , we can't expect those to just dissapear the next day.There will be teams that will be not utulising set pieces properly and we will be getting away with it then. There will be matches when we will be lucky and matches where players will be 100% focused and won't allow goals from set pieces. With time , exercise will improve us up to an extend.

But since certain players will be there , the risk will never really dissapear . More than 80% of this is down to Abbiati and him alone , better accept it . You may think , it's not just one player. Well ok then , it's not just Muntari ; it's not just Abbiati ; it's not just the manager ; it's not just Matri ; it's all of them of course , but each and everyone has their limits and all together with the absent players , not to mention the main team has yet to play a string of games together , all that hinder us big time. I said many times it is down to the players , but i didn't want to speak like that for Abbiati , because i love dat baldy dude , but sadly it's true , i might go bananas ( ) if i read yet again that Allegri is at fault for the set pieces. In this particular case , it's mostly down to Abbiati and we can only work to hide this and help him , up to an extend . The team did last season and like Allegri said , when the main players get back and we find stability , he will fix things. Because if we score and play more than the opponent , Abbiati won't be at risk all the time like rescently.

If he doesn't , then blame him and i will join you as well.

I think we played very well, just a lil bit unlucky. The penalty while not deserved I think it was the ref making up for the 1st mistake he made on us. Our defense is looking better, with the exception of set pieces, we should be ok once we recover some big names..

A draw away from home is a good result in case we draw in points with ajax we can count on that away goal.

Forza Milan