Spanish league is a boring two-horse race

Yohan Modric wrote:Yeh but I'm sure he knew it would be difficult before he joined. The clubs need an owner that will adapt to the club and will be patient.

In terms of TV money, I'm sure being as rich as he is they probably won't need it.

With strong FFP rules being enforced,any new owner coming in needs to basically generate the money he's spending.
If he's spending large amounts from his own pockets,he needs to generate an equal amount and that wont be possible just through sponsorships and matchday revenue.While i'm saying that why would an owner would want to start with a clear disadvantage which this TV deal provides ? With all their ego i'm sure they wouldnt want to bend down to Real or Barca.
Like it or not Real and Barca have too much influence and power in this league.Not to mention both are top 2 highest revenue generating clubs and look set for the long term hence why its going to be difficult for another Spanish club to topple them anywhere in the near future even with all the money.

futbol wrote:Bundesliga is the worst for me. That's why I never had much interest in it despite being German. If once in a decade another team bar Bayern manages to assemble a proper team, Bayern will just buy their best players. Proper 1 horse league. In La Liga you have at least 2 title contenders on EQUAL terms. In Bundesliga Bayern can spend as much as they want and attract every Bundesliga player they want whereas the next best team to Bayern keeps losing their best players every season, partly to Bayern: Sahin, Kagawa, Götze, Lewandowski (soon) and most likely Gündogan and Hummels as well within the next 2 seasons.

That's really uncool ! German league is in a pathetic state, they need some rich Arab to buy a team or two, but Arab sheikhs probably won't buy, as they prefer to buy teams on internationally popular TV such as EPL teams.

So it's a stuck situation

While 3 or 4 teams can realistically mount a challenge for the title in Serie A and the EPL the same thing cant be said about Spain.

redsnoopy wrote:

futbol wrote:Bundesliga is the worst for me. That's why I never had much interest in it despite being German. If once in a decade another team bar Bayern manages to assemble a proper team, Bayern will just buy their best players. Proper 1 horse league. In La Liga you have at least 2 title contenders on EQUAL terms. In Bundesliga Bayern can spend as much as they want and attract every Bundesliga player they want whereas the next best team to Bayern keeps losing their best players every season, partly to Bayern: Sahin, Kagawa, Götze, Lewandowski (soon) and most likely Gündogan and Hummels as well within the next 2 seasons.

That's really uncool !  German league is in a pathetic state, they need some rich Arab to buy a team or two, but Arab sheikhs probably won't buy, as they prefer to buy teams on internationally popular TV such as EPL teams.

So it's a stuck situation

You might want to watch BL instead of regurgitating prejudices you read somewhere.

Oh, and no way that anyone can simply buy a Bundesliga team - that is legally not possible due to the 50+1 rule. Only people who invest for more than 20 years might be able to get the majority vote, not someone who just wants a new toy.

S wrote:

Yohan Modric wrote:Yeh but I'm sure he knew it would be difficult before he joined. The clubs need an owner that will adapt to the club and will be patient.

In terms of TV money, I'm sure being as rich as he is they probably won't need it.

With strong FFP rules being enforced,any new owner coming in needs to basically generate the money he's spending.
If he's spending large amounts from his own pockets,he needs to generate an equal amount and that wont be possible just through sponsorships and matchday revenue.While i'm saying that why would an owner would want to start with a clear disadvantage which this TV deal provides ? With all their ego i'm sure they wouldnt want to bend down to Real or Barca.
Like it or not Real and Barca have too much influence and power in this league.Not to mention both are top 2 highest revenue generating clubs and look set for the long term hence why its going to be difficult for another Spanish club to topple them anywhere in the near future even with all the money.

In terms of generating it, what would be the point of a new owner? Can't the club generate it? I think the main point of an owner is they use their money and help the club.

For the TV deal, I think the new owner would have to understand that Real Madrid/Barca are the top dogs in La Liga and their current club will take time to get near Real Madrid/Barca's level.

The best idea would be the club buys top players like Malaga were doing and see where they can go. Villarreal in 2008 finished 2nd ahead of Barca and Atletico did well last too. So if a club like Atletico get a takeover I think they can compete for the title.

rwo power wrote:

redsnoopy wrote:

futbol wrote:Bundesliga is the worst for me. That's why I never had much interest in it despite being German. If once in a decade another team bar Bayern manages to assemble a proper team, Bayern will just buy their best players. Proper 1 horse league. In La Liga you have at least 2 title contenders on EQUAL terms. In Bundesliga Bayern can spend as much as they want and attract every Bundesliga player they want whereas the next best team to Bayern keeps losing their best players every season, partly to Bayern: Sahin, Kagawa, Götze, Lewandowski (soon) and most likely Gündogan and Hummels as well within the next 2 seasons.

That's really uncool !  German league is in a pathetic state, they need some rich Arab to buy a team or two, but Arab sheikhs probably won't buy, as they prefer to buy teams on internationally popular TV such as EPL teams.

So it's a stuck situation

You might want to watch BL instead of regurgitating prejudices you read somewhere.

Oh, and no way that anyone can simply buy a Bundesliga team - that is legally not possible due to the 50+1 rule. Only people who invest for more than 20 years might be able to get the majority vote, not someone who just wants a new toy.

Now I know why German league degenerates into a one horse race, only one club has all the cash and the league doesn't allow others to inject cash to others

aleumdance wrote:lol EPL, chelsea  and citeh..

citeh don~t even know how to press, Chelsea attack is meh...


now lets look at Europe

apart from el classico, what other la liga team can scare anyone in UCL ( nobody take the europa serious)

I am a madrid fan, don't wanna turn this into a league fight though. but la liga needs some major rebranding

Are you serious? How short are peoples memories?

La Liga had 3 of the last 8 teams in the CL. The EPL had a grand total of 0 of the last 8!!!!!!

In fact City and Chelsea couldn't even make it out of the group stages where as all 4 La Liga teams did.

What other teams can scare anyone in the CL you ask? Just LAST YEAR Atletico raped Chelsea with a trophy on the line( I believe there in the CL). Let me guess, Chelsea didn't take it seriously????? That's probably your excuse and an incredibly stupid one at that.

Man United (Were they in the Champions League?) got raped by a La Liga team that finished 10th in La Liga that year.

And LOL at "No one take Europe Serious." This is such a cute theory. Whenever an EPL team gets S*** on, it means they didn't take it seriously. Didn't Chelsea just win this trophy????? I guess they may have taken it seriously.

Here was United's starting line up when they played Bilbao.

01 De Gea
03 Evra
05 Ferdinand (Smalling - 63' )
06 Evans
21 Rafael Booked
11 Giggs (Welbeck - 68' )
13 Park Ji-sung
16 Carrick (Pogba - 63' Booked )
18 Young
23 Cleverley
10 Rooney

That sure looks like they didn't take it seriously doesn't it. Oh wait, that was basically there strongest lineup.

Also, none of you watch La Liga anyways so I find it funny that you comment on it. You can just go back to the thread where people listed what leagues they watch. No one watched this league, although you would think they would respect it after the beatings there EPl teams take from La Liga.

Also, not only did Atletico rape Chelsea last year but they also challenged for the second spot in La Liga for most of the year and were ahead of Madrid for large parts of the season as well. They also beat Madrid (Another CL Team) in the Copa Del Rey final.

In fact in the last 4 years Atletico has won the Europa League twice (Beating Liverpool and Fulham that year, Fulham made the final but I forgot they didn't take it seriously), The Super Cup twice (Beating Chelsea) and the Copa Del Rey once (Beating Madrid).

So Atletico has won 5 trophies in the last 4 years mowing down EPL competition in 2 of them. How many has Arsenal won? Scratch that, how many has City won in the last 4 years? How about Spurs or Liverpool? In fact, Chelsea and United are the only 2 teams in the EPL who seem to win anything consistently.

Since the year 2000 4 La Liga teams have won the league (Barcelona, Madrid, Valencia and Super Depo). Barcelona and Madrid winning 10 of them.

Since the year 2000 4 EPL teams have won the EPL. (Arsenal, Chelsea, Man United, City). Chelsea and Man United winning 10 of them.

Wow, that is exactly the same. I know most of you are like 15 years old so you can't remember anything that happened over 3-4 years ago. But where is this massive difference you are speaking of????????

Yohan Modric wrote:In terms of generating it, what would be the point of a new owner? Can't the club generate it? I think the main point of an owner is they use their money and help the club.

Read the FFP guidelines and come back to me.

For the TV deal, I think the new owner would have to understand that Real Madrid/Barca are the top dogs in La Liga and their current club will take time to get near Real Madrid/Barca's level.

Hence why apparently Al-Thani lost 'interest' in the club ? I'm pretty sure he was unhappy about the monetary advantages Barca and Madrid were receiving.And from what i know he's a very wealthy man.

The best idea would be the club buys top players like Malaga were doing and see where they can go. Villarreal in 2008 finished 2nd ahead of Barca and Atletico did well last too. So if a club like Atletico get a takeover I think they can compete for the title.

But its not as easy as it sounds with your Atletico example ! All you're just saying is that owners have to be 'patient' and should just deal with Barca and Real's advantage.I'm asking why would any wealthy ambitious owner suck up to that ?

In the EPL,money is distributed evenly,marketed brilliantly(most viewed league in the world) and there is a history of foreign owners finding success hence why its a very attractive proposition for foreign owners.La Liga has none of it,there's a lot of politics involved and with what happened with Al-Thani ,any new owner could easily back away.

Why are you convinced that these mega wealthy owners care about the revenue the clubs make?

Abramovich and ADUG have ploughed over £1bn each into their respective clubs and got nothing in the way of finance back.

People like this do not get involved with the idea of making money from their toys.

The_Badger wrote:Why are you convinced that these mega wealthy owners care about the revenue the clubs make?

Abramovich and ADUG have ploughed over £1bn each into their respective clubs and got nothing in the way of finance back.

People like this do not get involved with the idea of making money from their toys.

In terms of FFP it does matter.I mean they are forced into that situation.

The_Badger wrote:

Mr Nick09 wrote:all the leagues are the same, ligue1 (monaco/PSG), bundesliga (Bayern/BVB), serie A is a one horse race (Juve), EPL (chelsea/city)

this thread is just for trolling

Except they aren't. Barca and RM are completely on a different level to the rest of the division.

And how the Hell can you claim the Premier League is a two horse race between Man City and Chelsea when both have only one league title in the last seven seasons?!?!

are you saying that it's a horse race of man utd? trolololol

Mr Nick09 wrote:

The_Badger wrote:

Mr Nick09 wrote:all the leagues are the same, ligue1 (monaco/PSG), bundesliga (Bayern/BVB), serie A is a one horse race (Juve), EPL (chelsea/city)

this thread is just for trolling

Except they aren't. Barca and RM are completely on a different level to the rest of the division.

And how the Hell can you claim the Premier League is a two horse race between Man City and Chelsea when both have only one league title in the last seven seasons?!?!

are you saying that it's a horse race of man utd? trolololol

Oh no, trollbootlicker Nick09 on the loose again, someone pls find a box to cage him in

S wrote:

The_Badger wrote:Why are you convinced that these mega wealthy owners care about the revenue the clubs make?

Abramovich and ADUG have ploughed over £1bn each into their respective clubs and got nothing in the way of finance back.

People like this do not get involved with the idea of making money from their toys.

In terms of FFP it does matter.

FFP is a joke and easily dodged. You can't seriously use it as an excuse when a club like Monaco have just spent over 120m euros this summer.

Mr Nick09 wrote:

The_Badger wrote:

Mr Nick09 wrote:all the leagues are the same, ligue1 (monaco/PSG), bundesliga (Bayern/BVB), serie A is a one horse race (Juve), EPL (chelsea/city)

this thread is just for trolling

Except they aren't. Barca and RM are completely on a different level to the rest of the division.

And how the Hell can you claim the Premier League is a two horse race between Man City and Chelsea when both have only one league title in the last seven seasons?!?!

are you saying that it's a horse race of man utd? trolololol

I'm saying there is far more competition for the title in England than in Spain.

Boring topic. This must be the...50th time I've seen this?

Boo.

The badger made me reconsider
2 horse leagues:
france = psg and monaco
germany = BVB, Bayern
Spain = barca and Real

1 horse leagues:
Italy = juve
england = Man utd

What about the Ukrainian league?  

they play football in Ukraine?

Dnmac4 wrote:

aleumdance wrote:lol EPL, chelsea  and citeh..

citeh don~t even know how to press, Chelsea attack is meh...


now lets look at Europe

apart from el classico, what other la liga team can scare anyone in UCL ( nobody take the europa serious)

I am a madrid fan, don't wanna turn this into a league fight though. but la liga needs some major rebranding

Are you serious?  How short are peoples memories?  

La Liga had 3 of the last 8 teams in the CL. The EPL had a grand total of 0 of the last 8!!!!!!

In fact City and Chelsea couldn't even make it out of the group stages where as all 4 La Liga teams did.

What other teams can scare anyone in the CL you ask?  Just LAST YEAR Atletico raped Chelsea with a trophy on the line( I believe there in the CL).  Let me guess, Chelsea didn't take it seriously?????  That's probably your excuse and an incredibly stupid one at that.

Man United (Were they in the Champions League?) got raped by a La Liga team that finished 10th in La Liga that year.

And LOL at "No one take Europe Serious."  This is such a cute theory.  Whenever an EPL team gets S*** on, it means they didn't take it seriously.  Didn't Chelsea just win this trophy?????  I guess they may have taken it seriously.

Here was United's starting line up when they played Bilbao.

   01 De Gea
   03 Evra
   05 Ferdinand (Smalling - 63' )
   06 Evans
   21 Rafael Booked
   11 Giggs (Welbeck - 68' )
   13 Park Ji-sung
   16 Carrick (Pogba - 63' Booked )
   18 Young
   23 Cleverley
   10 Rooney

That sure looks like they didn't take it seriously doesn't it.  Oh wait, that was basically there strongest lineup.

Also, none of you watch La Liga anyways so I find it funny that you comment on it.  You can just go back to the thread where people listed what leagues they watch.  No one watched this league, although you would think they would respect it after the beatings there EPl teams take from La Liga.

Also, not only did Atletico rape Chelsea last year  but they also challenged for the second spot in La Liga for most of the year and were ahead of Madrid for large parts of the season as well. They also beat Madrid (Another CL Team) in the Copa Del Rey final.

In fact in the last 4 years Atletico has won the Europa League twice (Beating Liverpool and Fulham that year, Fulham made the final but I forgot they didn't take it seriously), The Super Cup twice (Beating Chelsea) and the Copa Del Rey once (Beating Madrid).

So Atletico has won 5 trophies in the last 4 years mowing down EPL competition in 2 of them. How many has Arsenal won?  Scratch that, how many has City won in the last 4 years?  How about Spurs or Liverpool?  In fact, Chelsea and United are the only 2 teams in the EPL who seem to win anything consistently.  

Since the year 2000 4 La Liga teams have won the league (Barcelona, Madrid, Valencia and Super Depo).  Barcelona and Madrid winning 10 of them.

Since the year 2000 4 EPL teams have won the EPL. (Arsenal, Chelsea, Man United, City).  Chelsea and Man United winning 10 of them.

Wow, that is exactly the same.  I know most of you are like 15 years old so you can't remember anything that happened over 3-4 years ago.  But where is this massive difference you are speaking of????????

UCL finalist since 2005

ac milan vs liverpool
barcelona vs arsenal
acmilan vs liverpool
United vs Chelsea
United vs Barcelona
Inter vs Bayern
United vs Barcelona
Bayern vs Chelsea
Bayern vs BVB

Now count how many teams are in red, pls count how many la liga teams played finals..

this is when you know the la liga is in trouble and needs a major rebranding

AND FINALLY..

NOBODY IN EPL, SERIE A, and lately Bundesliga gives a $hit about the Europa league


la liga teams take it serious to compensate themsleves from el clasico

Well, Bundesliga can relax cause they have been working hard in the EL to kick Serie A out for a long time

lol anyone that suddenly gets that 4th spot just stops giving a $hit about EL

serie still doesn't

Mr Nick09 wrote:all the leagues are the same, ligue1 (monaco/PSG), bundesliga (Bayern/BVB), serie A is a one horse race (Juve), EPL (chelsea/city)

this thread is just for trolling

The same lol


La liga over a consistent number of years now has been a training exercise for the top 2

Turn over to sky sports to watch Madrid/barca, not even curious to see if they are winning, just curious to see how many goals by

I think the spanish teams are alright, they just always give up, when they play RM or Barca.

You dont see that in PL. Too much pride.

Just like every other top league?!

im tired of hearing how competitive epl is, when all i see is chelsea or manu winning the league for a while now

Celtic n Rangers in scottish league also 2 horse league, not that anyone cares