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Post by Tomwin Lannister Thu May 23, 2013 5:36 pm

Cavani + 20M for Matri? hmm



Also, gotta love statistics.
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Post by Cotes Thu May 23, 2013 6:22 pm

They spelled Ljajic's name wrong again...
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Post by Juventude Thu May 23, 2013 6:27 pm

It would have been interesting to see Quags play more. But clearly Conte did not prefer him under his tactics. Those numbers would have gone way down if Matri and Quags were playing every game and starting. It helps to come in at the 70th minute when most of your opponents have been playing the entire game and are tired. Or, it also helps to start every three or four games and not be fatigued from playing every game.

Both players could have good careers at mid-level teams. I'd actually really like to see Quags at Fiorentina. I think that would be a good fit for him and the team. I'd like to see him keep Fiorentina near the top if Jovetic leaves.
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Post by Luca Thu May 23, 2013 7:05 pm

Without penalties is key here
Also, best = most goals scored- that's how it will always be
Most efficient is another story, but you also have to look at shots per goal

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Post by DeviAngel Thu May 23, 2013 7:40 pm

I still believe that Matri is great ST when he is played in 4-3-3 or 4-4-2
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Post by lucianomoggi Thu May 23, 2013 8:33 pm

Luca,

Matri has made less shots on goal than vidal and marchisio, the problem is that juventus create too many chances and neither matri or marchisio has idea to sjoot the ball so we replace them with higuain and jovetic...

........... higuain vucinic ..........
Asamoah jojo. Vidal ........ linchstainer
....................pirlo ..........

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Thu May 23, 2013 8:39 pm

Jovetic will never play CM lol.
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Post by lucianomoggi Thu May 23, 2013 8:44 pm

The most critical we ahould be on marchisio wh has made 200+ shots these last two seasons and he isnt neither on the list...

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Post by Juventude Thu May 23, 2013 8:45 pm

lucianomoggi wrote:Luca,

Matri has made less shots on goal than vidal and marchisio, the problem is that juventus create too many chances and neither matri or marchisio has idea to sjoot the ball so we replace them with higuain and jovetic...

........... higuain vucinic ..........
Asamoah jojo. Vidal ........ linchstainer
....................pirlo ..........

I don't blame Marchisio for not having a high goal rate. He is a CM that was asked to play as a SS. He belongs in the midfield where he can create and defend.

And, yeah, Jovetic is not going to be playing CM. Marchisio will still be starting. Vucinic is going to the bench.


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Post by lucianomoggi Thu May 23, 2013 8:46 pm

I did not say he wouls play cmf there, he can play amf,

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Post by Juventude Thu May 23, 2013 8:47 pm

lucianomoggi wrote:I did not say he wouls play cmf there, he can play amf,

He won't be playing there either. Marchisio will continue to start for Juve unless he is sold. If he is sold (which is unlikely), Pogba will be starting. Conte isn't going to start three strikers.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Thu May 23, 2013 8:49 pm

Ok, Jovetic still won't be playing in that role.

If Jovetic comes, he'll be in the front two. And we won't play 3-4-1-2

Marchisio is not a striker, he shouldn't be relied upon to score a steady stream of goals.

His finishing is poor, but he brings so much to the table. I'm surprised how much hate he gets, great player. Key part of our success.
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Post by Luca Thu May 23, 2013 8:51 pm

lucianomoggi wrote:Luca,

Matri has made less shots on goal than vidal and marchisio, the problem is that juventus create too many chances and neither matri or marchisio has idea to sjoot the ball so we replace them with higuain and jovetic...

........... higuain vucinic ..........
Asamoah jojo. Vidal ........ linchstainer
....................pirlo ..........

I know that, I'm just saying. Also, the thing with Matri is he is one of the absolute worst players I have ever seen in terms of creating his own shot. Marchisio's finishing is quite atrocious, luckily it isn't his job but it would be nice if he could improve in that area because for the number of chances he gets he should score 15 goals a season.

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Post by juvealbanian Thu May 23, 2013 9:06 pm

Please...Matri is the worst striker we have in our team.This stats doesn't mean anything about his quality.His ball control is terrible and i don't think that our 3-5-2 formation is the problem,he just doesn't have the skills.Hope we sell him this summer and get few moneys.
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Post by lucianomoggi Thu May 23, 2013 9:25 pm

------- higuain --- vucinic --------
------------- jojo -----------
Lwb --- pirlo -- vidal ----- linchstainer
-- Chiellini ---- bonnuci ---- barzagli

Jojo to play somethinng like we use giacherini...

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Post by lucianomoggi Thu May 23, 2013 9:32 pm

------- higuain --- vucinic --------
------------- jojo -----------
Lwb --- pirlo -- vidal ----- linchstainer
-- Chiellini ---- bonnuci ---- barzagli

Jojo to play somethinng like we use giacherini...

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Post by lucianomoggi Thu May 23, 2013 9:36 pm

------- higuain --- vucinic --------
------------- jojo -----------
Lwb --- pirlo -- vidal ----- linchstainer
-- Chiellini ---- bonnuci ---- barzagli

Jojo to play somethinng like we use giacherini...

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Thu May 23, 2013 9:42 pm

Not gonna happen, I can guarantee it.


We're not going to Use 3 strikers ever, not to mention one of them playing as a CAM.

If Jovetic comes then he'll be playing with somebody in a 3-1-4-2/3-5-2 formation. I don't know why anybody would think otherwise.
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Post by Luca Thu May 23, 2013 9:51 pm

lucianomoggi wrote:------- higuain --- vucinic --------
------------- jojo -----------
Lwb --- pirlo -- vidal ----- linchstainer
-- Chiellini ---- bonnuci ---- barzagli

Jojo to play somethinng like we use giacherini...

That's much too deep to play Jovetic, also you're asking for too much here. It's either a narrow approach with Jovetic in that role, or its the 3-5-2 with more emphasis on the wings, you can't have both. Also, there's not enough defensive work going on and you're limiting Vidal.

Too many problems with that formation for me. Nice idea on paper but I don't see the functionality.

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Post by Juventude Thu May 23, 2013 9:54 pm

I feel safe in guaranteeing that Jovetic will NOT be playing in a Giaccherini role. He will be playing only as a striker. We will not spend up to 30 million on a player and then change his position. That would be foolish.

Even if Joventic could play as a CAM, that leaves our defense exposed when we play with a three man back line. CMs like Marchisio and Pogba are great at defending and you can't just take one of them out and replace them with a striker and still have three defenders. It just doesn't work like that. It might on videos games, but not in real life.
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Post by juvealbanian Thu May 23, 2013 10:34 pm

I don't think Jovetic would play CAM.If we keep using 3-5-2 then our attack should be Jovetic-Llorente.
Jovetic plays SS to support our new 'prima punta' n9 Llorente.
Personaly i prefer a 4-3-3 like this:

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LICHT-BARZAGLI-CHIELLINI-KOLAROV
VIDAL-PIRLO-POGBA
TEVEZ-LLORENTE-JOVETIC
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Post by lucianomoggi Thu May 23, 2013 11:11 pm

AC MILAN was playing with PIRLO, KAKA, SHEVA, INZAGHI who none of them was good on defense, so what is the problem JUVENTUS to do the same?

VIDAL + ASAMOAH + LINCHTAINER + BARZAGLI + BONNUCI + CHIELLINI to play on defensive role 6 players same as

SERGINHO + MALDINI + NESTA + CAFU + SEEDORF + GATUSSO that are 6 players as well,,

so why would you think this may not work for JUVENTUS?

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Thu May 23, 2013 11:20 pm

You're talking about taking a very talented young striker and converting him into a CAM, and putting more strikers in doesn't automatically mean better attacks and more goals.

I think if Conte done what you want him to do, we would not win the league.


3-4-1-2 is hard enough to defend with as it is, but then you factor in the fact that our DM is Pirlo and our wingbacks are told to get forward whenever they can, you have 3 CB's + Vidal doing the majority of the defending. This is suicide.

Not to mention the added defensive workload would stop our top scorer Vidal from getting forward as much.

Milan were playing players in position, and playing with a back 4 and 2 CM's to cover Pirlo.

We'd have Vidal trying to cover for Pirlo, Jovetic and still doing his other duties.

That's a tactical nightmare.

If we ever decided to xwitch to a 3-4-1-2 (Why the hell would we?) then Pirlo would have to go, playing Pirlo at this age in that formation would result in us being destroyed by any team who could string a few passes together.

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