eelir wrote:Well again even at 200 mil is worth it to get players such as Iniesta, Messi, Pedro, Busquets, Valdes, Thiago, Tello, Cuenca + sold ones like Bojan, Yefren and co.

jibers wrote:

free_cat wrote:

baresi wrote:
Quality wise it is worth it, but to think you spent less; that I doubt. Since you also bought a fair number of players as well.

Barça closed the academy in Argentina, the only one abroad paid by the club.
The cost of the Masia is 20 milions per year including Barça B in the last years, it was less several years ago. (Data from Barça's official accounts).
However, Barça B is really not part of la Masia as they already play at professional level and they are senior players.
If you don't include Barça B, it's probably around those 10 milion per year that the article says.

zizzle wrote:Its really an amazing feat by Barcabut lets be honest here, the current success of The Masia is not a model that can be replicated, not even by Barca themselves. You could argue all day that a well run academy can produce top quality players, but the reality is, a player like Messi isnt something you can carefuly build, it's something that you stumble into. Sure having the right project can make all the difference, but the fact remains that The Masia was blessed with a golden generation rather than creating it.

jibers wrote:

zizzle wrote:Its really an amazing feat by Barcabut lets be honest here, the current success of The Masia is not a model that can be replicated, not even by Barca themselves. You could argue all day that a well run academy can produce top quality players, but the reality is, a player like Messi isnt something you can carefuly build, it's something that you stumble into. Sure having the right project can make all the difference, but the fact remains that The Masia was blessed with a golden generation rather than creating it.

exactly. Xaviesta and Messi would have made it nay other youth academy, they are that good.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Messi was rejected by Newell's and River Plate, that's well known. You can argue now with the benefit of hindsight that his talent was there for everyone to see, but the fact of the matter is that 2 clubs decided he wasn't worth a shot.

Iniesta is exactly the kind of footballer that would've gotten rejected at many a number of clubs because of his poor physique. Xavi as well.

You can say that Barca are having a golden generation, true, I don't disagree with that, but there's a system in place that prioritizes technique over physique, that teaches the tactical concepts since age 7, and that molds the footballers in order to be prepared to play in first division at Barca with a seamless transition (rather than say, Real Madrid, where Castilla and Real don't play the same style so Mou doesn't feel comfortable promoting players). Let's not belittle these accomplishments.

gondov wrote:

jibers wrote:

zizzle wrote:Its really an amazing feat by Barcabut lets be honest here, the current success of The Masia is not a model that can be replicated, not even by Barca themselves. You could argue all day that a well run academy can produce top quality players, but the reality is, a player like Messi isnt something you can carefuly build, it's something that you stumble into. Sure having the right project can make all the difference, but the fact remains that The Masia was blessed with a golden generation rather than creating it.

exactly. Xaviesta and Messi would have made it nay other youth academy, they are that good.

Agree to a certain extent.

However tbf players like xavi, puyol, iniesta weren't that good in their early 20s. They were nearly sold and now we are all drooling over them.

We'll have to wait and see if players like iniesta, xavi, puyol are a fluke bacause thiago, dealofeu, rafinha, batra all look very promising and show traits that resemble xavi, iniesta etc in their early days. Lets not forget there is like an 8 year age difference between xavi, puyol and cesc, busquets, messi for example.

--xavi--puyol = early 30s

-iniesta---valdes = 28-30

-messi---pique---cesc---pedro = 25

-alba--busquets = 23-24

-montoya--batra--tello--thiago = 21

Natural talent has a lot to do with La Masia success but tactics, training and philosophy shouldn't be underestimated in all this.

jibers wrote:

gondov wrote:

jibers wrote:

exactly. Xaviesta and Messi would have made it nay other youth academy, they are that good.

Agree to a certain extent.

However tbf players like xavi, puyol, iniesta weren't that good in their early 20s. They were nearly sold and now we are all drooling over them.

We'll have to wait and see if players like iniesta, xavi, puyol are a fluke bacause thiago, dealofeu, rafinha, batra all look very promising and show traits that resemble xavi, iniesta etc in their early days. Lets not forget there is like an 8 year age difference between xavi, puyol and cesc, busquets, messi for example.

--xavi--puyol = early 30s

-iniesta---valdes = 28-30

-messi---pique---cesc---pedro = 25

-alba--busquets = 23-24

-montoya--batra--tello--thiago = 21

Natural talent has a lot to do with La Masia success but tactics, training and philosophy shouldn't be underestimated in all this.

I dont rate puyoil that highly and I ve never thought he was WC, good defender but never thoiught he was the best at all at any point. Xavi was always good but he played as a pivote under van Gaal first then Rijkaard moved him closer to goal, he was great just that at the time short technical players were not seen in the ssame light, Viera type mf were in stylpe back then. \Pepe came and gave Xavi even more responsibilty and thats the xavi we see now, the one that has a 100+ touches per game.

The abilty was there the use was different.

Dnmac4 wrote:This is the most hilarious post I have ever seen in my time on this board. I mean seriously to all the people trying to find fault with this please put them on your ignore list fellow Barca fans as nothing Barca does will ever be good enough.

The funniest part of there argument is them saying how much our academy costs blah blah blah and then comparing it to other clubs who spend tons of money on players and they just forget that those other teams while spending tons of money have youth academies too that cost lots of money each year and produce jack shit.

There acting like there is a negative side to this for some insane reason that makes no sense as every big club has and spends a good amount of money on there own youth systems. It's just they don't get much Return On Investment for there youth systems so they have to try and find negatives to this.

Haters will always be haters. It's in there blood and there eyes are green with envy. IT doesn't matter that we started a CL final with 8 youth team players or in one generation produced 3 of the 5 best players in the world.

They say well it's not sustainable so it's not good and while they probably wont produce 3 of the top 5 players in the world again and as posters say we can't produce Xaviesta every generation I think they forget in the same generation they produced Fabregas, Arteta, Thiago, Busquets, Thiago Motta which any top team would be jumping for joy to have produced but since there not the top 5 players in the world it's some how discounted and our system can't be duplicated.

A lot of top teams in the world would kill for that midfield and it has nothing to do with Xavi or Iniesta.

Or the fact that La Masia not only produced Victor Valdes but Pepe Reina too in the same generation.

And the depth in attacking talent is there as well with Messi, Pedro, Bojan, Tello, Cuenca, etc etc

I mean the story is out there and everyone has heard it where Guardiola (a La Masia grad) is talking to Xavi telling him you will replace me and that kid out there (Iniesta) will replace you.

Or that Spain won there first ever world cup with 7 players from La Masia and 6 in the starting lineup.

There is every indication that La Masia is sustainable and will be for years to come and for those people throwing figures out there about the cost and lack of sustainability well why don't you put all the numbers in your calculations.

What if we actually sold our best players La Masia produced? We can't even put a figure to that because we have no clue how much Messi, Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro, Thiago, Busquets etc etc would cost but it would be a ton of cash. A figure you can't even imagine.

So please haters find something else to hate Barca for. With Rosell in charge there is plenty you can choose to hate on but this is just petty and well for lack of a better word a stupid thing to think is a negative or hate on.

And to sit here and tell me there is no value in having a youth system that plays the same style and system the senior team plays with is such a joke. There was just a big article on how Madrid plays a totally different style for there youth then what there senior team plays and how much a negative that is and Mou and there youth coach both commented on it.

Sure teams can buy players there is nothing wrong with it, but to sit here and tell me that is better then having a player come through your system having played your style of football since they were 14 years old and pay very little to no transfer fee is just a bad statement.

Hate if you want but football won today.

zizzle wrote:Dnmadbro ?

Dnmac4 wrote:

zizzle wrote:Dnmadbro ?

Nope, just wondering where the hate comes from. It takes time and energy to hate something and there are many things to hate about Barcelona I just don't see how this could possibly be one of them especially when every team has a youth system and the same posters who are putting ours down love a youth player that comes from there academy.

It's natural, everyone want's to see there youth player do well.

Why would I be mad about what my team accomplished today?

Dnmac4 wrote:This is the most hilarious post I have ever seen in my time on this board. I mean seriously to all the people trying to find fault with this please put them on your ignore list fellow Barca fans as nothing Barca does will ever be good enough.

The funniest part of there argument is them saying how much our academy costs blah blah blah and then comparing it to other clubs who spend tons of money on players and they just forget that those other teams while spending tons of money have youth academies too that cost lots of money each year and produce jack shit.

There acting like there is a negative side to this for some insane reason that makes no sense as every big club has and spends a good amount of money on there own youth systems. It's just they don't get much Return On Investment for there youth systems so they have to try and find negatives to this.

Haters will always be haters. It's in there blood and there eyes are green with envy. IT doesn't matter that we started a CL final with 8 youth team players or in one generation produced 3 of the 5 best players in the world.

They say well it's not sustainable so it's not good and while they probably wont produce 3 of the top 5 players in the world again and as posters say we can't produce Xaviesta every generation I think they forget in the same generation they produced Fabregas, Arteta, Thiago, Busquets, Thiago Motta which any top team would be jumping for joy to have produced but since there not the top 5 players in the world it's some how discounted and our system can't be duplicated.

A lot of top teams in the world would kill for that midfield and it has nothing to do with Xavi or Iniesta.

Or the fact that La Masia not only produced Victor Valdes but Pepe Reina too in the same generation.

And the depth in attacking talent is there as well with Messi, Pedro, Bojan, Tello, Cuenca, etc etc

I mean the story is out there and everyone has heard it where Guardiola (a La Masia grad) is talking to Xavi telling him you will replace me and that kid out there (Iniesta) will replace you.

Or that Spain won there first ever world cup with 7 players from La Masia and 6 in the starting lineup.

There is every indication that La Masia is sustainable and will be for years to come and for those people throwing figures out there about the cost and lack of sustainability well why don't you put all the numbers in your calculations.

What if we actually sold our best players La Masia produced? We can't even put a figure to that because we have no clue how much Messi, Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro, Thiago, Busquets etc etc would cost but it would be a ton of cash. A figure you can't even imagine.

So please haters find something else to hate Barca for. With Rosell in charge there is plenty you can choose to hate on but this is just petty and well for lack of a better word a stupid thing to think is a negative or hate on.

And to sit here and tell me there is no value in having a youth system that plays the same style and system the senior team plays with is such a joke. There was just a big article on how Madrid plays a totally different style for there youth then what there senior team plays and how much a negative that is and Mou and there youth coach both commented on it.

Sure teams can buy players there is nothing wrong with it, but to sit here and tell me that is better then having a player come through your system having played your style of football since they were 14 years old and pay very little to no transfer fee is just a bad statement.

Hate if you want but football won today.

Clockwork Orange wrote:This club is truly a reference point for football. I am glad that van Gaa;'s vision has finally come to fruition. The catalan media mocked him when he predicted this. It also makes me sad that Ajax stopped following this model for more than half a decade. I really feel that the foreign players in Europe rule needs to be re inforced in order to see teams produce from their ranks.

La Masia is the resultof over 30 years of trial and failure. Congratulations.

Dante wrote:
i think they ve done this before , but i am not sure .

But again , bravo , anyone can admire this .