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scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by che Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:09 pm
here we go again, took entire 55 minutes this time
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by Le Samourai Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:18 pm
Do you have a flat view?
Difficult to say honestly...this is a garbage angle.
Difficult to say honestly...this is a garbage angle.
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by Prometheus Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:22 pm
oh cmon, clear as day that he was onside!! draw a parallel line with the lines in the grass and you'll see he's definetely onside!
also, in cases like this the benefit of the doubt is supposed to be given in the strikers favour by rule of thumb so this is a complete robbery of valencia!!
also, in cases like this the benefit of the doubt is supposed to be given in the strikers favour by rule of thumb so this is a complete robbery of valencia!!
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by che Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:26 pm
best part is that they only showed one replay because they "didn't have good camera angles" (commentator's words, not mine) but they kept playing di maria's penalty shout over and over and over again
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:26 pm
Le Samourai wrote:Do you have a flat view?
Difficult to say honestly...this is a garbage angle.
They proved it on Sky that it was onside......
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by Le Samourai Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:32 pm
There's still some difficulty there since offside's are measured by parts of the body a player is legally accepted to play the ball with.
So the fact that Ramos feet seem to be ahead of Soldado's (not sure tho) is not essentially the defining factor here since Ramos' right foot is the part of his body furthest forward and Soldado's are behind the rest of his body.
The other thing is you have to go back to the moment the ball was played, in this image it's already in play and Ramos has likely moved.
Honestly I don't know, if you want to say he's not offside that's fine honestly, but I would love if someone could provide a better angle and Picture. Flat view + at the time of the ball being played if you got it.
Link me .
So the fact that Ramos feet seem to be ahead of Soldado's (not sure tho) is not essentially the defining factor here since Ramos' right foot is the part of his body furthest forward and Soldado's are behind the rest of his body.
The other thing is you have to go back to the moment the ball was played, in this image it's already in play and Ramos has likely moved.
Honestly I don't know, if you want to say he's not offside that's fine honestly, but I would love if someone could provide a better angle and Picture. Flat view + at the time of the ball being played if you got it.
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Le Samourai wrote:Do you have a flat view?
Difficult to say honestly...this is a garbage angle.
They proved it on Sky that it was onside......
Link me .
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by lszanto Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:34 pm
Why does it matter? Mistakes are made with offsides all the time...
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by che Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:36 pm
this is what i'm talking about
clearly, not a single camera in the entire *bleep* stadium had the last defender in its view... this pisses me off the most, the blatant media manipulation
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by Prometheus Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:46 pm
yeah just a bit biased alright Che!! well what else can you expect unfortunately!!
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by andiii Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:47 pm
honestly can't say if it was onside or not
but if it was offside then the last defender had some real quick reaction times to play him offside then catch up to him before the ball reached the valencia player. it is possible but not likely, so probably onside
but if it was offside then the last defender had some real quick reaction times to play him offside then catch up to him before the ball reached the valencia player. it is possible but not likely, so probably onside
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by Prometheus Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:52 pm
even if you look at the photo and video Che has provided! in the highlight soldado is seen moving to the side and off the shoulder of the defender right when the pass is made while the photo shows his position a split second later with him several yards further forward but still not offside compared to ramos's body who has had to turn and start moving back to track his run!
basic logic regarding sprint acceleration vs a turn and acceleration would suggest that to be in that position in the photo that soldado would have had to started further up the field than ramos for them to be neck-on-neck like that!
however being in madrid that 'offside' was always going to be given unfortunately! valencia is not the first team to be denied like that Che and they wont be the last either!
basic logic regarding sprint acceleration vs a turn and acceleration would suggest that to be in that position in the photo that soldado would have had to started further up the field than ramos for them to be neck-on-neck like that!
however being in madrid that 'offside' was always going to be given unfortunately! valencia is not the first team to be denied like that Che and they wont be the last either!
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by Le Samourai Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:54 pm
che wrote:
this is what i'm talking about
clearly, not a single camera in the entire *bleep* stadium had the last defender in its view... this pisses me off the most, the blatant media manipulation
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by RealGunner Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:56 pm
They did a thorough analysis on skysports, it was onside
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by halamadrid2 Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:13 pm
it looked onside to me
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by free_cat Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:21 pm
It's impossible to say if he was onside or not with the images available.
There's no take where you can see Soldado and Tino Costa making the pass at the same time.
Bad TV coverage.
There's no take where you can see Soldado and Tino Costa making the pass at the same time.
Bad TV coverage.
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by EarlyPrototype Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:25 pm
che wrote:here we go again, took entire 55 minutes this time
And what about the clear penalty on Di Maria?
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by Beautiful Football Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:29 pm
so it mistake by referee. 
i don't know how many mistake referee did in favor of Madrid last season.Yet we start season with another mistake.something really wrong here..and mistake will continue through out
the whole season in favor of Madrid i am sure of it.where is super_floren with his so called funny conspiracy theory now..can not see him but i am sure he will be back as soon as Barca got some thing from referee mistake.
i don't know how many mistake referee did in favor of Madrid last season.Yet we start season with another mistake.something really wrong here..and mistake will continue through out the whole season in favor of Madrid i am sure of it.where is super_floren with his so called funny conspiracy theory now..can not see him but i am sure he will be back as soon as Barca got some thing from referee mistake.
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by Brady2Moss Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:32 pm
lszanto wrote:Why does it matter? Mistakes are made with offsides all the time...
Is that supposed to make it ok? A sad time for football...now "mistakes" like these are seen as part of the game.
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by lszanto Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:41 pm
Brady2Moss wrote:lszanto wrote:Why does it matter? Mistakes are made with offsides all the time...
Is that supposed to make it ok? A sad time for football...now "mistakes" like these are seen as part of the game.
Who said that makes it ok? Rubbish like this happens constantly. I personally think referees are allowed too much lienancy and are overprotected but the fact of the matter is decisions like this happen all the time both for and against clubs. It just usually happens to be in favor of the bigger clubs e.g Real, Barca, Manchester.
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by halamadrid2 Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:12 pm
Beautiful Football wrote:so it mistake by referee.
the whole season in favor of Madrid i am sure of it.where is super_floren with his so called funny conspiracy theory now..can not see him but i am sure he will be back as soon as Barca got some thing from referee mistake.
DiMaria greets you with a strong penalty claim that was dismissed. your claim bunkered straight away
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by Beautiful Football Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:21 pm
strong penalty claim from di maria.halamadrid2 wrote:Beautiful Football wrote:so it mistake by referee.
the whole season in favor of Madrid i am sure of it.where is super_floren with his so called funny conspiracy theory now..can not see him but i am sure he will be back as soon as Barca got some thing from referee mistake.
DiMaria greets you with a strong penalty claim that was dismissed. your claim bunkered straight away
he is the biggest diver in the world.you touch him and he is on theground and frankly every refree in la liga should think twice or chat with assistant ref before give any penalty from di maria's appeal.He just taken dive in whole new level.
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by Swanhends Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:23 pm
Di Maria shouldn't EVER get the benefit of the doubt, any penalty he gets awarded should have to be 101% clear to the ref
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by the xcx Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:23 pm
Looks onside atm. If this would have counted as a goal, so should have been Di marias penalty given.
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by Beautiful Football Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:24 pm
BhritanniaBhlue wrote:Di Maria shouldn't EVER get the benefit of the doubt, any penalty he gets awarded should have to be 101% clear to the ref
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Re: scandal in la li... ahem... questionable decisions in la primera
by Harmonica Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:51 pm
Onside. But isn't there a rule that you can't give freekick to a moving ball?
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