Re: Quarter final: England vs Italy discussion

by urbaNRoots Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:33 pm

According to some journalists England will start with the same team from the last match.

by Art Morte Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:34 pm

urbaNRoots wrote:According to some journalists England will start with the same team from the last match.

Which is the wrong decision, Welbeck won't see the ball.

by Juveman17 Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:55 pm

Lex wrote:Italy haven't exactly set the tournament alight with their brand of football....

and England have?

by S Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:58 pm

Lex wrote:Italy haven't exactly set the tournament alight with their brand of football....

I think one would argue that Italy's brand of football has been far entertaining than some of the other 'Top' teams.

by Lex Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:00 pm

juveman17 wrote:and England have?

No? Difference is, no-one here is claiming England are going to "gang bang" Italy or "tear them apart"

I haven't seen anything from Italy to suggest they're going to steamroll England. Wouldn't be surprised if England scored the first goal (then went on to concede three)

by Zealous Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:00 pm

Art Morte wrote:
urbaNRoots wrote:According to some journalists England will start with the same team from the last match.

Which is the wrong decision, Welbeck won't see the ball.

Of course he will it'll just be a question of how good he is at making the most out of less touches.

He's a great player Welbeck I wouldn't be surprised to see him do well.

by Zealous Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:02 pm

Lex wrote:
juveman17 wrote:and England have?
No? Difference is, no-one here is claiming England are going to "gang bang" Italy or "tear them apart"

I haven't seen anything from Italy to suggest they're going to steamroll England. Wouldn't be surprised if England scored the first goal (then went on to concede three)

Three on one is technically a gang bang to be fair.

by Gemini Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:10 pm

England are well equipped to beat Italy, infact I pretty much expect them to win. I want Italy in the semi's apart from pirlo they are pretty much pushovers, england will be tough opposition for any team.

Italy struggled hard vs Croatia, I cant see them beating this england side.

by Onyx Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:13 pm

Chiellini suspended?

by Guest Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:20 pm

England:
Hart, Glen, Lescott, Terry, Cole, Milner, Gerrard, Parker, Young, Rooney, Welbeck.

Italy:
Buffon, Abate, Bonucci, Barzagli, Balzaretti, D Rossi, Pirlo, Marchisio,
Motta, Di Natale, Cassano

by Tomwin Lannister Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:22 pm

mtfootball wrote:Chiellini suspended?

Aggrevated a thigh injury he's been carrying for some time in the win over ROI.

by S Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:24 pm

Bonucci's chance to show he's truly arrived on the world stage Chaka

(A bit similar to when Chiellini announced his arrival as top CB in Europe 4 years ago)

by Zealous Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:24 pm

If Young has a good game England will have a great chance to win, if not then Italy have a great chance instead.

by Swanhends Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:27 pm

Hopefully Italy play 4312 so Fishcott and Sexlade can rape, pillage, and plunder hmm

by Zealous Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:32 pm

A diamond in midfield can still defend against good wingers if they keep formation and lean from flank to flank.

by Swanhends Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:34 pm

The ball moves faster than the player" - Confuscious hmm

If England switch from flank to flank quickly the diamond will never be able to keep up with Walcott or Oxlade

Milner and Young are another story, however :coffee:

by Adit Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:35 pm

4312 diamond always have problem with wide players and wing backs. Midfielders sliding from flank to flank isnt always possible which is that formations weakness.Especially on fast counters with wing back going forward they can easily create 2 vs 1 on wings.

also what bhends said "ball moves faster than the players '' . one diagonal ball to the overlapping wing back and we got a nice situation to deal with.

by Zealous Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:45 pm

Yes but England's right winger will be Milner and he'll be sticking close to an Italian player. Rooney as well.Ashley Cole hasn't shown signs that he'll be an attacking outlet in this tournament.

Realistically Italy may only have to deal with two wide players, Johnson and Young.

by Lex Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:47 pm

Young to confuse Italy by outdiving their entire starting 11. Including Buffon

by Jay29 Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:47 pm

Not surprising that we've gone with the same team. Milner is horrible but Walcott really is better as an impact player. Chamberlain simply isn't ready to start games like this. Milner can, at least, tuck in and become an extra man in the centre for us.

Inevitably, the game plan will be to keep it 0-0 for 70 minutes or so then bring on the speedy players and expose any tiredness and subsequent gaps in the Italian side.

by Zealous Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:49 pm

Which is not a bad game plan at all, all things considered.

by Guest Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:55 pm

I'm confident that Abate will keep Young quiet,though things look *bleep* up on the other flank Neutral

by Onyx Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:05 pm

Walcott should start at RW imo.

by guest7 Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:16 pm

They should unban all the forum legends just for this game Sad

The final countdown is finally happening... soon...!!!

by Jay29 Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:46 pm

Confirmed starting line-ups:

Hart; Johnson, Terry, Lescott, Cole; Milner, Gerrard, Parker, Young; Rooney, Welbeck

Buffon; Abate, Barzagli, Bonucci, Balzeretti; De Rossi, Piro, Marchisio, Montolivo; Balotelli, Cassano

by :{Mr.Mustachio! Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:48 pm

Montolivo

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