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Post by Nehpets Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:32 pm

Van persie


So Van persie last season scored 37 goals and got 17 assists which is fantastic. In the last 5 years he's averaged 20 goals a season ( lower than expected due to injury ) and has a goal per game ratio in the same time period of 0.58 goals per game.


Walcott

The next biggest goal scorer at arsenal last season was Walcott with 11 goals and an average since he joined arsenal of just 7 goals a season with a goals per game ratio of 0.21 . If your thinking yes but he was really very young in most of those 5 year and thus will inevitably not have very good stats i agree so i instead did new calculations based from when he was 21 like what i will do with Podolski next. Now he averages 12 goals and 11 assists in that period and had a goals per game ratio of 0.28 as a winger remember.

Interestingly / worryingly Van persie plus Walcott managed to pitch in and amazing 57% of all goals scored for arsenal last season as the rest of the team only managed to score 36 goals.


What can Podolski do ?

So looking at out new signing Podolski hes managed to attained 18 goals and 7 assists last season in 29 games for FC Koln working with players below his level which is impressive. However on average since he was 20 he's got 12 goals and 4 assists per a season. In the last 5 years hes got a goals per game ratio of 0.42. Podolski average and goals per a game is brought down significantly by his time in Bayern and i believe he is probably better than these stats suggest. If you actually go back to the start of his career he had some very good seasons for FC Koln which lead to Bayern signing him in the first place. One of note was when he scored 29 goals in 32 games for the club.
So assuming van persie leaves and Podolski does the same as last season we are still in need of 19 goals and 10 assists to replace van persie. This means we will definitely need another striker but i'm sure many people guessed that anyway !


Giroud ?

One candidate looks like it could be Giroud and i can see why. Since 2007 hes scored at least 14 goals every season and in 2009/2010 season and last he scored 24 and 25 goals respectively and amassed 9 assists. This guys stats are pretty impressive and stats wise hes quite consistently made and impact every season for the last 5 years and on average has scored 20 goals a season in that time period with a goals per game ratio of 0.48.


Finally

Giroud + Podolski if we assume they play as well as last season ( BIG assumption i know ) will produce 43 goals and 16 assists when compared to Van persie alone which is 37 goals and 17 assists. According to this it appears they could replace Van persie but its all about if they can play as well as last season but its a tough ask considering it will be there first season. Saying that with the return of Wilshere and Gervinho / Ramsey being more settled plus perhaps a rumored new signing in midfield you could see the rest of the team pitching in more and really compensating for Van persies loss.

I'm thinking of doing more posts like this perhaps the next one comparing the amount of goals we need to compete for title and try to show if we can do it without van persie. Also maybe one comparing our defenders and defense overall to other defenses in the premier league. Saying that theses do however short take some time to do so ill only do it if people find it interesting. Thanks guys.

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Post by Quinten Metsys Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:14 pm

Good stat compilation Thumbs up

But,I guess Arsenal might still sign some AM and we are also being linked with Dzagoev and Holtby,so you'll have to take into account,the additional assists and goals that might be provided by the AM,assuming we actually sign an AM.
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Post by Raptorgunner Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:47 pm

RVP missed 30 clear cut chances this season, I am sure if he leaves we will be fine.

Being an Arsenal losing RVP is not a big deal anymore we all should be used to this.
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Post by boss Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:13 pm

Well , i just don't care anymore 2b honest ! Huntelaar is better than him > ! if he leave ...lol (i see no reason 4that but anyway he should be really ashamed 2leave !) that's why i dnt care.


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Post by Motogp69 Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:33 pm

I think at the start of the season Arsenal will miss him deeply, but once your summer signings get their bearings of the EPL I think you will solidly be a top 10 side.
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Post by 6unner Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:42 pm

I think that from a morale perspective it could be devastating to Arsenal to lose our captain again this year. Can we get past it? Probably! Will it make it seem as though we do not have the ambition to win silverware? Potentially! Would this potentially have an adverse affect on our ability to sign the caliber of player that we could use to win silverware? Hmm.
It actually surprises me that nobody is talking about another loss that I think is just as possible, or more possible than losing RVP. We all know that there have been meetings with RVP over contract negotiations. I think that most of us also feel as though he is waiting (yep again this year) to see Arsenals ambition. We have brought in Podolski and his stats say that he is an upgrade. Rumors say that we are close to Giroud and again stats say that this is an upgrade. There is also talk about bringing in a CAM and a DM which could be an upgrade over last season. If we were to sign all these people than I think that we will have shown RVP the ambition that he is waiting for.
What we have not heard anything about though (yea I know he is English) is Walcott’s contract negotiations. Currently he is sitting on £70,000-per-week and wants a raise and it does not seem as though Arsenal is in any hurry to start contract negotiations with him. Back as early as last October it was reported that Walcott was looking to start talking about a new contract and if you believe what you read nothing has come of it. What does he think he deserves as a raise and is that worth his contribution of 11 goals? Has he shown that he is actually worth £80,000 or £90,000 a .
I am actually starting to wonder if it is Arsenals intention to see what happens with Walcott with the possibility of selling him if there is any interest or not offering him a rise in pay. Stats wise what would a front line of Podolski --- Giroud --- RVP look like.

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Post by bloodless Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:06 pm

YES WE CaN!

Will we be a better team?
NO! You never sell your best player(by miles) and become a better team to be honest....we can try and balance out the team but what we will get for rvp will honestly not be much in this climate to invest

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Post by bloodless Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:16 pm

IMHO if van persie wants to go let him leave...i'm tired of us begging players to wear this badge simple

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Post by Wilson37 Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:27 am

Sure.. We can.. We are Arsenal..
We have faced similar situations and we know the outcome... But it doesnt mean we have to let RVP leave.. And it is no way making the team better especially him being the leader.. But we dont have to beg players for staying here..
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Post by urbaNRoots Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:13 am

Arsenal would still probably get the third/forth place trophy, but ain't gonna win a trophy with selling your captain/bestplayer every year.

It would be a disaster for the fans, Arsenal are slowly becoming a selling club - I don't think Arsenal fans can deal with another big blow in the summer. Enough is enough.

If the board has one single bit of ambition for the next season, they wont sell van Persie.
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Post by MJ Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:48 pm

Motogp69 wrote:I think at the start of the season Arsenal will miss him deeply, but once your summer signings get their bearings of the EPL I think you will solidly be a top 1 side.

Fixed it for you bro troll Can we deal with the loss of Van persie ? 2859867778
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Post by Raptorgunner Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:53 pm

Motogp69 wrote:I think at the start of the season Arsenal will miss him deeply, but once your summer signings get their bearings of the EPL I think you will solidly be a top 10 side.

LOL, its funny how every year we are a top10 side and and of the season we finish no less than top4.

We have lost twice the player RVP is and we almost won the league if it was not for he injuries.
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Post by Motogp69 Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:35 am

MJGunner wrote:
Motogp69 wrote:I think at the start of the season Arsenal will miss him deeply, but once your summer signings get their bearings of the EPL I think you will solidly be a top 1 side.

Fixed it for you bro troll Can we deal with the loss of Van persie ? 2859867778

I was suprised it took that long for someone to pick up on what I said. I think they will be fine, but the prospect of no RVP leaves you wondering where the goals are going to come from.
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Post by Sri Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:09 am

Motogp69 wrote:
MJGunner wrote:
Motogp69 wrote:I think at the start of the season Arsenal will miss him deeply, but once your summer signings get their bearings of the EPL I think you will solidly be a top 1 side.

Fixed it for you bro troll Can we deal with the loss of Van persie ? 2859867778

I was suprised it took that long for someone to pick up on what I said. I think they will be fine, but the prospect of no RVP leaves you wondering where the goals are going to come from.

Look through the years. Unlike what the media would have you believe about RvP being the only goal scorer in Arsenal, over the years, we have had the distinction of being the team with the most goal scorers each season. (I could look up the stats, but I am not bothering with it.)

And if you mean how we are going to cope without one player who scored 30 goals (and not the other 20 odd players who scored through the season), then the signings of Podolski and Giroud, coupled with the long list of goal scorers before RvP shrugged off his injuries and struck form, gives an idea. If not RvP, somebody else will turn up. Heck, before RvP, even Chamakh was banging them in for half a season!

Arsenal are not a one man team. Never have been. Never will be.

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Post by MJ Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:35 am

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Post by Sri Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:37 am

@MJ : That expression on that face is scary tbh Razz

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Post by MJ Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:43 am

lol, it's 3:40 AM over here so it's the only expression I can afford to make as my energy levels are depleted.
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Post by Sri Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:50 am

MJGunner wrote:lol, it's 3:40 AM over here so it's the only expression I can afford to make as my energy levels are depleted.

Lol!! Its 0950AM and a sunny day here, and I am sh*t bored at work right now Very Happy

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Post by MJ Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:10 am

srigooner wrote:
MJGunner wrote:lol, it's 3:40 AM over here so it's the only expression I can afford to make as my energy levels are depleted.

Lol!! Its 0950AM and a sunny day here, and I am sh*t bored at work right now Very Happy

Hahahaha! Still makes time for GL at work like a baws. Noice! What do you do in Japan if you're Indian and lived in Germany? You globe trotting? Well actually that would be a massive thread derailing but that sounds like a cool story for fb!

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Post by Sri Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:26 am

MJGunner wrote:
srigooner wrote:
MJGunner wrote:lol, it's 3:40 AM over here so it's the only expression I can afford to make as my energy levels are depleted.

Lol!! Its 0950AM and a sunny day here, and I am sh*t bored at work right now Very Happy

Hahahaha! Still makes time for GL at work like a baws. Noice! What do you do in Japan if you're Indian and lived in Germany? You globe trotting? Well actually that would be a massive thread derailing but that sounds like a cool story for fb!


Yeah pretty much Very Happy I am on GL more often than not, its much better than reading lol.com, Dailyfail, soccernet etc etc.. I just don't bother posting unless it is important enough to post.. Yeah, take it to FB later today Smile

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