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Post by juvefan4life Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:46 pm

Even though we lost this match today, I think that we kind of deserved it because the team got very lazy and we need CONTE,
and some valuable things we learned today
1.Never underestimate your opponent
2.Our attack is sh!t
3.The team is getting lazy
4.We need CONTE
5.We need DEL PIERO

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:51 pm

Vucinic is the only forward good enough for us, and he should be playing with an out and out goalscoring machine. Giovinco is not good enough, Quags is probably a good sub to keep.

Matri can go away and Bendtner is probably on Quags level, won't be kept.
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Post by juvefan4life Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:58 pm

TomJuve wrote:Vucinic is the only forward good enough for us, and he should be playing with an out and out goalscoring machine. Giovinco is not good enough, Quags is probably a good sub to keep.

Matri can go away and Bendtner is probably on Quags level, won't be kept.

I totally agree with you, really we needed Del Piero in stead of Bendtner in these few minutes because ADP has perfect ball control and is very technical, we had a world class striker but agnelli and marotta underestimated him. Hoping for a Falcao, Suarez or Tevez, we really need a world class striker

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:00 pm

Aside from goals a true match winner would relieve so much pressure on the rest of the team. MVP have a goalscoring burden as well as being tasked on controlling the middle of the pitch. You're just asking for a counter attack when Pirlo is screening the 3 CB's alone.

Giovinco is selfish and goes against our play. Not what we need I would sell him next summer.
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Post by Adrian0911 Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:15 pm

that first goal..helped without need from referee was the worst..

it killed us...we stoped attacking from minute 00.20.....

gio....needs some brain washing..so no more starts for him...

and i agree....*bleep* alessio..we need conte....but until then bring back carerra Thumbs up
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Post by DeviAngel Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:36 am

After Vuci everything collapsed out whole game tbh Bendtner I supported this move and I think he is good bench option nothing else but tbh Luca u were right QUAGLIARELLA must play I am sick and tired from Gio dribbling and being selfish tbh I know and I am certain that we'll be champions this season again and with our form this loss was only matter of time. Inter deserved to win.

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Post by Luca Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:52 am

Bendtner didn't do so poorly, he was just in the wrong role.
More often than not we saw Bendtner dropping into Juventus' half to receive the ball, or linking up out wide. While Giovinco was the furthest forward, the roles should have been reversed.

Quagliarella came on and tried to create a couple of shots for himself; things that Giovinco and Bendtner failed miserably at for the duration of this game.

Losing Lichtsteiner early was a blow, but he was so stupid on this night that it was probably a blessing in disguise because he would have left Juventus with 10 men the way he was playing.

Pogba was needed tonight; Vidal and Marchisio were sub-par while Pogba has been superb when called upon.

Giovinco's poor decision making really stands out though. He would receive the ball and try and run through several defenders at a time, sometimes he would get past one or two but then fall down under the slightest bit of pressure. I didn't see him as a goal threat at all tonight.

Asamoah was lacking tonight too, usually he is superb but he looked ordinary for the first time in a Juventus shirt. He was not whipping in crosses with his usual authority but Juventus' only goal (albeit offside and uncalled) did come from him.

If I had to nominate a list of flops from this game it would be:
Giovinco
Lichtsteiner
Marchisio
Vidal

Enough said. Losing Vucinic and Lichtsteiner was painful, missing several chances to increase the lead was worse, Marchisio deciding it would be a good idea to pull Milito's jersey was just ridiculous.

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Post by Cotes Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:37 am

This is not time to be rubbing salt in the wounds....
Yes we lost but the world didn't stop spin....
Only real Juventini's will admit they are proud of the team which I am...

We are still in first spot,can still go through the champions league group & win Coppa Italia....

We need to be behind the team now, more than ever!
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Post by Andrew Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:09 am

Good, good. This loss showed us we have still a lot to learn and improve.

Leaving unbeaten after the end of every single game almost became a habit for us. And by us I mean the players, the fans...the club as a whole.

Let's see if we can show some real character after this loss, react as proper champions, as proper Juventini !

Keep your heads up guys, the game has just begun.

FORZA JUVENTUS !

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Post by Guest Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:24 am

Every record is meant to be broken, to come back so strong after the lows of the past few seasons was really great. Thumbs up

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Post by juventus101 Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:48 am

Yea. Even though i dont think were performing nearly as good as last season, it was coming eventually either way. 49 games unbeaten is incredible, especially for a team that came in 7th place the season before the streak started. Now this loss should be a wake up call that were not unbeatable and now we n concentrate more on playing better rather than just keeping our streak alive. Im very proud of us. We were the Juventus Invincibles. Now lets get back on track and smash Nordsjaellend!

My analysis on the game though, is really that Inter were only slightly better thsn us, just far more clinical. Giovinco and Marchisio both messes up alot of good chances that Milito wouldve put away. Thats the difference. Lichsteiner was a walking red card too, Asanoah was kept quiet by a strictly defensive Zanetti, and Vidal disappeared in the second half. Marchisio looked a bit off the pace after being out the last 2 ganes. Giovinco was dribvling 1-2 Inter defenders at a time for fun but his decision making is terrible. Theres no shame in getting outmuscled by the WALL though. Vucinic was good, but clearly needs a target man to link up with. Overall, it was bad by our standards at this point, but ut very easily couldve beendiffereny if one of those Marchisio/Giovinco chances went in. Also, i thinj Buffon shouldve saved Militos second (actually shouldve just held Palacios original shot) and Palacios 3rd, but im not gonna point any fingers cuz as a whole we just werent up to scratch. Now lets bounce back like Champions and smash anyone that gets in our way!
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Post by juvefan4life Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:39 am

Cotes wrote:This is not time to be rubbing salt in the wounds....
Yes we lost but the world didn't stop spin....
Only real Juventini's will admit they are proud of the team which I am...

We are still in first spot,can still go through the champions league group & win Coppa Italia....

We need to be behind the team now, more than ever!

I agree with Cotes only real Juventini's will support Juve anytime and anyplace, I remember when I used to be teased for Juve's bad results and I would always wear a Juve shirt and say to inter and milan fans "/beep/ you and /beep/ you too"
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Post by S Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:53 am

Agreed we needed this loss otherwise we would have remained delusional into thinking we are absolutely unbeatable where infact there are a no.of flaws in this team which needs to be fixed.

The fact that we lost the game to our most closest rival in the league table should make us wake up since we have a crucial CL tie coming up in midweek

Few problems i see right now in the team:

1.Vidal's form is a matter of concern tbh..Even though he scored a goal yesterday his second performance was absolutely poor in my opinion ,he really needs to step it up if we have to play with the same intensity like last season as he's one of our most important players in the team.

2.I have my doubts about Giovinco now..Do you guys really think he is Juve material ?So far he's done literally nothing to prove otherwise..Yesterday was another poor performance from him especially when it came to his passing and decision making and like we pictured earlier he's way too easily outmuscled.Vucinic is the only good striker we have like its been said here..Marotta really has his work cut out in January.

3.We need Conte back,simple as..He is the real architect of what is Juventus is as of today.Imagine if we had him in the dressing room after the 1st half ,i'm sure we would have seen a different outcome yesterday i mean atleast the team would have stepped up their intensity in the 2nd half instead we took our foot of the peddle.Also being on the touchline does make a world of difference..Fingers crossed we do well in league and in the CL in the remaining games until he comes back.
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Post by Adrian0911 Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:17 pm

Cotes wrote:This is not time to be rubbing salt in the wounds....
Yes we lost but the world didn't stop spin....
Only real Juventini's will admit they are proud of the team which I am...

We are still in first spot,can still go through the champions league group & win Coppa Italia....

We need to be behind the team now, more than ever!

personally i am completely behind our team...now more than ever.

but those close victories and miraculous draws made us overlook the fact that we had problems. and we were not fixing them..everybody could see them...but victories kept coming so we ignored them
i think it reached a point were players though only showing up is ok (yeah..yeah..too much FM)...

but this reality call must wake up players from this fairy tale and start really improving and fixing the problems...
from giovinco..to buffon..everyone
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Post by Juveman17 Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:37 pm

Del Piero would have saved the game today.... *bleep* you Agnelli and *bleep* you Marrota for giving us no one to replace Del Piero. We have such a shit offence and we have payed for it tonight . Who's our big game game on the line comeback star? It was Del Piero and now its no one.
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Post by juvefan4life Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:53 pm

juveman17 wrote:Del Piero would have saved the game today.... *bleep* you Agnelli and *bleep* you Marrota for giving us no one to replace Del Piero. We have such a shit offence and we have payed for it tonight . Who's our big game game on the line comeback star? It was Del Piero and now its no one.

OF COURSE BEEP AGNELLI AND BEEP MARROTA, what is wrong with them ADP has the class, technique, dribble accuracy, shooting, and experience not like giovinco he is trying to imitate the great ADP del piero was the only player at his age to dribble 3 players and pass with that class and take the ball from the midfield and score AT THE AGE OF 37 giovinco isnt even 27 and he cant control the attact like adp did .ADP IS IRREPLACEABLE

"You can repaint MONA LISA BUT YOU CANNOT COPY ALESSANDRO DEL PIERO" this quote has been said by: Iker Casillias. and it stands

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Post by Juveman17 Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:03 pm

I was waiting for the perfect impact sub, our captain, to come on and score. Oh boy how we have missed him.
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Post by juvefan4life Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:57 pm

juveman17 wrote:I was waiting for the perfect impact sub, our captain, to come on and score. Oh boy how we have missed him.

yeah me too, but knowing that ADP want there even in the bench made the game a bit boring because he was always the one to make the difference.

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Post by Luca Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:07 pm

It has nothing to do with 'being behind your club'
You can still criticize the team, which they deserve, even though they've done a wonderful thing in the process

If you can't recognize the imperfections of this team, or anything in life it just leads to false expectations and a whole lot of delusion

Lets be realistic here, Juventus did not play well yesterday night. They deservedly lost and it is alright to discuss the reasons and acknowledge that fact.

This whole 'true supporter' garbage just does not fly with me

In the end, it is one game lost and now it is onto the next one

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Post by S Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:33 pm

Luca wrote:It has nothing to do with 'being behind your club'
You can still criticize the team, which they deserve, even though they've done a wonderful thing in the process

If you can't recognize the imperfections of this team, or anything in life it just leads to false expectations and a whole lot of delusion

Lets be realistic here, Juventus did not play well yesterday night. They deservedly lost and it is alright to discuss the reasons and acknowledge that fact.

This whole 'true supporter' garbage just does not fly with me

In the end, it is one game lost and now it is onto the next one

Spot on mate,well said..

There's no need to overreact guys really(especially that Cotes guy,jeez dont get so emotional dude) ,we're just discussing the flaws of the team and what can be done to address it and if there's no such discussion at all and we only keep discussing the good things ,forum debates become a bit pointless tbh.At the end of the day all we want is Juve to be successful and different people come across in a different point of view and you gotta respect their views as well,we are a community afterall.
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Post by juvefan4life Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:09 pm

Surag wrote:
Luca wrote:It has nothing to do with 'being behind your club'
You can still criticize the team, which they deserve, even though they've done a wonderful thing in the process

If you can't recognize the imperfections of this team, or anything in life it just leads to false expectations and a whole lot of delusion

Lets be realistic here, Juventus did not play well yesterday night. They deservedly lost and it is alright to discuss the reasons and acknowledge that fact.

This whole 'true supporter' garbage just does not fly with me

In the end, it is one game lost and now it is onto the next one

Spot on mate,well said..

There's no need to overreact guys really(especially that Cotes guy,jeez dont get so emotional dude) ,we're just discussing the flaws of the team and what can be done to address it and if there's no such discussion at all and we only keep discussing the good things ,forum debates become a bit pointless tbh.At the end of the day all we want is Juve to be successful and different people come across in a different point of view and you gotta respect their views as well,we are a community afterall.

You are both right but I support COTES because we all know that the fans are a huge plus for any team especially when their coach has been banned. Next match Juve will come stronger and with a bigger desire to win, we got a good lesson from our loss.

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Post by Luca Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:26 pm

juvefan4life wrote:
Surag wrote:
Luca wrote:It has nothing to do with 'being behind your club'
You can still criticize the team, which they deserve, even though they've done a wonderful thing in the process

If you can't recognize the imperfections of this team, or anything in life it just leads to false expectations and a whole lot of delusion

Lets be realistic here, Juventus did not play well yesterday night. They deservedly lost and it is alright to discuss the reasons and acknowledge that fact.

This whole 'true supporter' garbage just does not fly with me

In the end, it is one game lost and now it is onto the next one

Spot on mate,well said..

There's no need to overreact guys really(especially that Cotes guy,jeez dont get so emotional dude) ,we're just discussing the flaws of the team and what can be done to address it and if there's no such discussion at all and we only keep discussing the good things ,forum debates become a bit pointless tbh.At the end of the day all we want is Juve to be successful and different people come across in a different point of view and you gotta respect their views as well,we are a community afterall.

You are both right but I support COTES because we all know that the fans are a huge plus for any team especially when their coach has been banned. Next match Juve will come stronger and with a bigger desire to win, we got a good lesson from our loss.

Absolutely, I appreciate Cotes' spirit, but there is nothing wrong with discussing Juventus' shortcomings

I mean, even if Juventus would have won yesterday, there could still have been improvements worth mentioning and that's all I am saying

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Post by juvefan4life Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:38 pm

Luca wrote:
juvefan4life wrote:
Surag wrote:
Luca wrote:It has nothing to do with 'being behind your club'
You can still criticize the team, which they deserve, even though they've done a wonderful thing in the process

If you can't recognize the imperfections of this team, or anything in life it just leads to false expectations and a whole lot of delusion

Lets be realistic here, Juventus did not play well yesterday night. They deservedly lost and it is alright to discuss the reasons and acknowledge that fact.

This whole 'true supporter' garbage just does not fly with me

In the end, it is one game lost and now it is onto the next one

Spot on mate,well said..

There's no need to overreact guys really(especially that Cotes guy,jeez dont get so emotional dude) ,we're just discussing the flaws of the team and what can be done to address it and if there's no such discussion at all and we only keep discussing the good things ,forum debates become a bit pointless tbh.At the end of the day all we want is Juve to be successful and different people come across in a different point of view and you gotta respect their views as well,we are a community afterall.

You are both right but I support COTES because we all know that the fans are a huge plus for any team especially when their coach has been banned. Next match Juve will come stronger and with a bigger desire to win, we got a good lesson from our loss.

Absolutely, I appreciate Cotes' spirit, but there is nothing wrong with discussing Juventus' shortcomings

I mean, even if Juventus would have won yesterday, there could still have been improvements worth mentioning and that's all I am saying

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Post by DeviAngel Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:48 pm

We can't ask for Del Piero in every single bad game and stituation that doesn't make us club who goes forward we are stuck in the past.. just for official : I LOVE ADP Sad
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Post by juvefan4life Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:52 pm

DeviAngel wrote:We can't ask for Del Piero in every single bad game and stituation that doesn't make us club who goes forward we are stuck in the past.. just for official : I LOVE ADP Sad
You are right man but ADP would have really helped us.

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