Thimmy wrote:

mtfootball wrote:Camping in the nuketown buildings.

SnD?

mtfootball wrote:

Thimmy wrote:

mtfootball wrote:Camping in the nuketown buildings.

SnD?

I have to mow the lawn first. I´ll log onto MSN when I´m done. Might have to take a shower first.

Thimmy wrote:

mtfootball wrote:

Thimmy wrote:

mtfootball wrote:Camping in the nuketown buildings.

SnD?

I have to mow the lawn first. I´ll log onto MSN when I´m done. Might have to take a shower first.

Make sure you feed the horses too.

Krom's got a party, if you're on.

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/08/14/black-ops-2-customization-and-league-play-brings-call-of-duty/

The ghost perk looks interesting with the whole 'undectable by UAV as long as you're moving' thing.

Also, are they saying there's no Pro perks? In a way, that's a relief for me. Because I could just use these perks now without having to worry about missing out on other features of the perk while prestiging.

And I don't think Specialist will return, we would have heard about it by now. And while BO2 is out, I think the Specialist Strike Package will be what makes me return to MW3.

So if you aren't moving with ghost, there's no point to it?

mtfootball wrote:So if you aren't moving with ghost, there's no point to it?

I love the sound of that

Have they shown any of the multiplayer maps yet?

Found some maps:

CONFIRMED WEAPON, PERK AND SCORESTREAK SETUPS (so far)

Primary Weapons:

pAN-94
SMR
M8A1
Type 25
SA58
Sig 556
SCAR-H
 
Shotguns:
 
m1216
Seiga 12
R870-MCS
 
Light Machine Guns (LMGs):
 
LSAT
QBB-LSW
Mk 48
 
Sniper Rifles:
 
DSR-50
SVU-AS
Ballista

Special:
 
Assault Shield
 
Sub-Machine Guns (SMG):
 
MP7
Chicom QCB
PDW-57
Skorpion EVO 3
MSMC
 
Secondary Weapons
 
Launchers:
SMAW
RPG
FJH-18AA
 
Pistols:
KAP-40
Tac-45
Executioner
u23-R
 
No Weapon Equipped
 
Combat Knife
 
Primary Attachments (Assault Rifle Only):
 
Reflex Scope
ACOG
Target Finder — Sight which highlights enemies when they enter the field-of-view
Hybrid Optic
Suppressor
Fast Mag
Adjustable Stock
Quickdraw
Grenade Scanner
Millimeter Scanner
Grenade Launcher
Select Fire
FMJ
Extended Clip
 
Secondary Attachments (Pistol Only):
Reflex
Suppressor
Extended Clip
Fast Mag
FMJ
Dual Wield
Laser Sight
 
Perk 1:
 
Flak Jacket — Take less explosive damage.
Ghost — Cannot be detected by enemy UAVs while moving.
Blind Eye — Unaffected by AI-controlled perks.
Hardline — Receive bonus score points.
Lightweight — Move faster, take no damage from falling.
 
Perk 2:
 
Hard-wired — Immune to counter-UAV and enemy EMPs.
Scavenger — Replenish ammo and grenades from fallen enemies.
Cold-blooded — Resistance to targeting systems including Dual Band, Target Finder, Sensor Grenades and player-controlled aircraft.
Toughness — Flinch less when shot.
Fast Hands — Swap grenades faster, use grenades and equipment faster, and safely throw back frag grenades.
 
Perk 3
 
Engineer — Show enemy equipment in the world, delay explosives and re-roll and booby trap care packages.
Dead Silence — Move silently.
Extreme Conditioning — Sprint for a longer duration.
Tactical Mask — Reduce the effect of flash, concussion and shock charges.
Awareness — Enemy movements are easier to hear.
Dexterity — Climb ladders and mantle over objects faster, recover from melee faster and aim faster after sprinting.
 
Lethal Grenades:
 
Grenade — Produces lethal radius damage upon detonation.
Semtex — Grenade that sticks to surfaces before detonating.
Combat Axe — Retrievable axe that causes instant death upon impact.
Claymore — Directional antipersonnel mine that triggers a proximity-based explosion.
C4 — Plastic explosive device that can be set and triggered remotely.
Bouncing Betty — Proximity mine that launches into the air before detonating. Can be avoided by crouching or going prone.
 
Tactical Grenades:
 
Sensor Grenade
Flashbang
Concussion
Shock Charge — A deployable charge which stuns enemies that enter its proximity.
EMP Grenade
Tactical Insertion
Smoke Grenade
Black Hat PDA — Hack equipment and care packages, or disable enemy vehicles.
One additional point can be spent on any tactical grenade to bring two of the same type into battle when you spawn.
 
Wildcards:
 
Primary Gunfighter — Allows a 3rd attachment for the primary weapon.
Secondary Gunfighter — Allows a 2nd attachment for the secondary weapon.
Overkill — Take a primary weapon as your secondary weapon.
Danger Close — Take a second Lethal.
Perk 1 Greed — Take a second Perk 1.
Perk 2 Greed — Take a second Perk 2.
Perk 3 Greed — Take a second Perk 3.
Tactician — Take a Tactical grenade in place of your lethal Grenade.
 
Poinstreak Rewards:
 
RCC — 325 points — A remote-controlled car packed with explosives.
UAV — 375 points — Shows enemies on the mini-map.
Hunter Killer — 400 points — Airborne drone that seeks out and destroys a nearby target.
Care Package — 450 points — Air drop a random Scorestreak.
Counter-UAV — 475 points — Temporarily disables enemy radar.
Guardian — 500 points — Projects microwave field which stuns and impairs enemies.
Hellstorm Missile — 525 points — An air-to-surface missile which can be scattered into a cluster bomb while falling.
Lightning Strike — 550 points — Launch a coordinated lightning strike on three locations.
Death Machine — 600 points — Your own personal handheld mini-gun.
Sentry Gun — 650 points — An automatic sentry gun which can be remote-controlled.
War Machine — 700 points — Grenade launcher with rapid, semi-automatic firing.
Dragonfire — 725 points — Remote-controlled quad-rotor with lightweight machine gun.
AGR — 800 points — Air drop an autonomous ground robot that searches for and destroys enemies and can be remote controlled.
Stealth Chopper — 850 points — Call in a stealth helicopter which does not appear on the enemy's mini-map.
Orbital VSAT — 900 points — Shows both enemy position and direction on the mini-map, cannot be shot down.
Escort Drone — 1000 points — Get personal air support from an escort drone.
Warthog — 1025 points — Jet aircraft that provides close air support with several strafe runs.
EMP Systems — 1050 points — Temporarily disables enemy electronics.
Lodestar — 1150 points — Lase missile targets remotely from the Lodestar.
VTOL Warship — 1200 points — Be the gunner of a powerful VTOL Warship.
Canine Unit — 1275 points — Attack dogs that hunt down the enemy.
Swarm — 1400 points — Call in a swarm of lethal Hunter Killer drones that search and destroy enemies.
 
Note: More to come, this is not the final list.

Good perk setups so far look like:
Hardline
Hard-Wired
Extreme Conditioning

Lightweight
Toughness
Extreme Conditioning

Flak Jacket
Scavenger
Tactical Mask

Bitch setup:
Ghost
Cold Blooded
Dead Silence

If you can use spare poit for extra perks I would use:
Lightweight
Scavenger
Extreme Conditioning
Dexterity or Awareness

Haven't played COD since the first Black Ops , the multiplayer in this second one looks dope I'll give it a try and get away from BF after i get tired of Armored Kill .

"One highlighted by Vonderhaar specifically was the "Ghost" perk, which now only makes players invisible to UAVs if they are on the move. This protects against campers that have relied on the perk to keep them hidden for years, and it's a fantastic change."

I´ll probably be using Lightweight, Toughness and Dexterity/EC. I´ve never really been a fan of the perk combinations in Black Ops. They will probably re-introduce that lame sway effect on sniper rifles..

Also, no Sleight of Hand?

They said they would keep the traditionals in the game and I know this isn't a final list but come on... Sleight of Hand should be a given.

BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:Also, no Sleight of Hand?

They said they would keep the traditionals in the game and I know this isn't a final list but come on... Sleight of Hand should be a given.

Sleight of Hand might not be needed, if the default reload time on the guns is short, but yeah.. SoH should be a given.

Most of the perks don't seem that effective.

mtfootball wrote:Most of the perks don't seem that effective.

Well they are "perks"

They aren't meant to make a monumental difference, they're meant to make a slight difference.

In past COD's a lot of the perks made a difference imo.

I think the BOPs 2 perks need a pro version.

Well since there is no Sleight of Hand, (assuming Fast Mag is the same as Dual Mag) I'll probably run:

MP7 w Fast Mag
Executioner w Fast Mag

C4
Concussions

Hardline
Scavenger
Awareness/Extreme Conditioning.

UAV
HellStorm Missile
Orbital VSAT

If killstreaks do restart in the same life like in MW3, then I'll use just UAV and Hellstorm Missiles, if they dont then I'll use the above setup. I've noticed I win more games when I put UAV. You and your whole team just play better when a UAV is up. Because when BO2 comes out, I'm gonna try and get a really good start in terms of K/D and W/L

And I´m going to not give a damn about K/D and D/S and B/S, and just have fun

You don't have fun getting high K/D games?

I must be the only one

BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:You don't have fun getting high K/D games?

I must be the only one

Sure, but "I'm gonna try and get a really good start in terms of K/D and W/L" sounds like you're going to try harder than Bill Clinton tried to hide his secret affair. Of course, I´d prefer to get tons of kills and few deaths, but I´m not going to make that a goal of mine, because that kind of mindset usually leads to camping/try-harding. No offense, I just don´t see why it´s so important to get high K/Ds, and I don´t consider it entertaining to get good statistics, unless I do it without putting too much effort into staying alive. It´s just a game. I don´t know how old you are, but I´ve had a lot of squeeky kids rage at me after ruining their killstreaks, and they often tend to look up my elite profile and point towards the fact that my K/D ratio is lower than 2.0.

I´d rather play against people who beat me in terms of accuracy, reflexes and game understanding, than some guy who sneaks around corners with Hardline, HB-sensor and the latest Astro headset.

I have a 5.0 K/D ratio on my alt account in MW2. I pretty much just played it safe on that account, because I thought it´d be interesting to see how high I could get it using a sniper/tac knife (I also had 100% accuracy up until prestige 3, at which point I accidentally got into a hacked lobby). It was kind of interesting at first, but I bet a lot of people thought I was being insanely lame, playing like that. And I can understand that. When I get Black Ops 2, I hope most people don´t pay too much attention to getting their K/Ds up from the get-go.

I don´t know if you've played with Anti-DNA/Versacci, yet? From what I can tell, that guy is a beast at getting great stats without being a lamer

I'm saying I want to get a good start because I really only get one shot at it. I've got over 120,000 kills on Xbox and I can't really change my stats much now because everything I do will make a miniscule difference. But with BO2, I get a fresh start. When I first started playing MW3, I was like a 0.8 K/D player, now I've got that upto 2 and I wanna see if I can improve on that.

And high K/D does not always equal camping. There are so, so many people out there with above average K/Ds who don't camp. If you watched me play, you would clearly see I'm not one of them.

BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:I'm saying I want to get a good start because I really only get one shot at it. I've got over 120,000 kills on Xbox and I can't really change my stats much now because everything I do will make a miniscule difference. But with BO2, I get a fresh start. When I first started playing MW3, I was like a 0.8 K/D player, now I've got that upto 2 and I wanna see if I can improve on that.

And high K/D does not always equal camping. There are so, so many people out there with above average K/Ds who don't camp. If you watched me play, you would clearly see I'm not one of them.

Yeah, I'm not taking a jab at you or anything. I´m just fed up with players in general, who care so much about their K/D ratio that they use (in my opinion) underhanded tactics in order to get a neat little number on their Elite profile.

Personally, I probably play too aggressively. I want to win games, but I always get restless when I'm last alive in Search & Destroy, and I´m in a setting where I´m probably better off camping than chasing after the opponents. I tend to run at them in situations where I know that the odds are against me, and I'm more likely to die than survive. I think I´ve gotten better at being a bit more passive when the situation calls for it, but in terms of trying to win games, I probably have a pretty retarded playing style. When my net allows it, I usually beat my opponents in terms of reaction time, and that advantage tends to make me as cocky and reckless as Pepe

I've been playing like crap recently. Swapping between 32", 42" and 52" TVs has royally messed up my accuracy and overall efficiency, and it's starting to feel like I'll never get used to my own 52" again.