Re: The US Politics Thread

[Myesyats]

We may very well be looking at an open Democratic convention. I'll need to look up the last time that's happened. Feels like it's been well over 150 years.

Who's the likeliest candidate to replace him?

Kamala Harris, as the current VP, would be the presumptive successor.

There's also California Governor Gavin Newsome, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.

I think those are the likely field of potential alternatives.

Is there a legit chance of a swap happening tho? How much % do you give it

[Pedram]

We may very well be looking at an open Democratic convention. I'll need to look up the last time that's happened. Feels like it's been well over 150 years.

Who's the likeliest candidate to replace him?

Kamala Harris, as the current VP, would be the presumptive successor.

There's also California Governor Gavin Newsome, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.

I think those are the likely field of potential alternatives.

Such a shame AOC is too young, i think she would've been able to mobilize the youth vote like no other.

[Myesyats]

She would also mobilize Trumps voters though as they see her as far left. And boomers who want to vote for a centrist would be put off

Honestly believe they still need a candidate than can appeal to some right-wingers and moderates too, someone middle-of-the-way

[Vibe]

Sounds like they don't have a string enough name.

Michelle Obama That is certainly a name

[FennecFox7]

She would also mobilize Trumps voters though as they see her as far left. And boomers who want to vote for a centrist would be put off

Honestly believe they still need a candidate than can appeal to some right-wingers and moderates too, someone middle-of-the-way

Sure, we should focus on class consciousness and workers rights, but that would require someone such as AOC or further left to lead the democratic party. You're literally describing Biden and Hillary, no thank you. I'm done with enlightened centrists running the democratic party down a neoliberal landscape. No thanks.

As McLewis said, I agree with someone that is much younger but has a Social democratic policy or even further left. The rich and corporations are eating this country alive. I used to be a Libertarian, but fuck that. Among so many different things, the working and middle class needs to be strong and functioning in this country. It's ridiculous more then 3/4 of this country are paycheck to paycheck while the rich run off laughing and destroying the country.

All the progressives and leftists have to do to appeal to the more conservative voters is reduce bourgeoise identity politics (LGBT rights, etc) and promote class consciousness and realize the source of many problems is crony capitalism

[Myesyats]

She would also mobilize Trumps voters though as they see her as far left. And boomers who want to vote for a centrist would be put off

Honestly believe they still need a candidate than can appeal to some right-wingers and moderates too, someone middle-of-the-way

Sure, we should focus on class consciousness and workers rights, but that would require someone such as AOC or further left to lead the democratic party. You're literally describing Biden and Hillary, no thank you. I'm done with enlightened centrists running the democratic party down a neoliberal landscape. No thanks.

As McLewis said, I agree with someone that is much younger but has a Social democratic policy or even further left. The rich and corporations are eating this country alive. I used to be a Libertarian, but fuck that. Among so many different things, the working and middle class needs to be strong and functioning in this country. It's ridiculous more then 3/4 of this country are paycheck to paycheck while the rich run off laughing and destroying the country.

All the progressives and leftists have to do to appeal to the more conservative voters is reduce bourgeoise identity politics (LGBT rights, etc) and promote class consciousness and realize the source of many problems is crony capitalism

I don't disagree with that

just saying at this particular point in time, to beat Trump someone different is needed

you think AOC wins vs trump in a couple months hypothetically?

[FennecFox7]

That’s what they said about Hilary and she lost,

The democrats have dug their own grave. It’s too late for them to win. On a two month notice, no, AOC wouldn’t win, and it’s really no one but Biden and the democrats fault, but I would rather run her then a guy who can’t even complete a sentence.


To be honest with you, I don’t care if Trump wins. Progressives and socialists and further left people in the party have been warning them of their downfall if they kept pushing the corporate line. Now it’s happening. Couldn’t care less. Maybe it’ll force the democrats to change.

Plus, she needs another year I think until she can run (I know the situation you proposed was hypothetical), she’s 34 years old

[McLewis]

We may very well be looking at an open Democratic convention. I'll need to look up the last time that's happened. Feels like it's been well over 150 years.

Who's the likeliest candidate to replace him?

Kamala Harris, as the current VP, would be the presumptive successor.

There's also California Governor Gavin Newsome, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.

I think those are the likely field of potential alternatives.

Is there a legit chance of a swap happening tho? How much % do you give it

Given the majority of the pressure is coming from media, pundits and donors, but not from Dem party leadership, I'm going to put the % somewhere in the high 20s, low 30s. If that donor group starts to increase that pressure, that might change things.

Also, if we start to see some of that leadership begin to seriously consider it (I'm talking power players like Jeffries in the House, Schumer in the Senate, Harrison over at the DNC, and most importantly, First lady Jill Biden) then that percentage will go up.

[McLewis]

Sounds like they don't have a string enough name.

Michelle Obama That is certainly a name

She was trending last night along with her husband, but it won't happen.

[McLewis]

Regarding AOC, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that she's far more effective in Congress than in the Executive. She's well on her way to becoming immensely powerful. I think she'll lead the Progressive Caucus at some point. Probably a Speakership as well.

The chance we progressives had was Bernie in 2016. It will be at least another generation before we get another shot. The Gen Zers that are coming up may give us that chance, but their politics aren't as straightforward as it was for us millenials.

[McLewis]

She would also mobilize Trumps voters though as they see her as far left. And boomers who want to vote for a centrist would be put off

Honestly believe they still need a candidate than can appeal to some right-wingers and moderates too, someone middle-of-the-way

All the progressives and leftists have to do to appeal to the more conservative voters is reduce bourgeoise identity politics (LGBT rights, etc) and promote class consciousness and realize the source of many problems is crony capitalism

I don't think progressives should be appealing to conservative voters at all.

What progressives need to be doing is truly doing the work in underserved communities of color. An inconvenient truth about Bernie in 2016 and 2020 is this absolute reticence to engage with Black voters, particularly in the Deep South. His insistence on class politics as the overall umbrella that includes racial injustice very much alienated Black Democrats. He ceded that ground to the Center Left candidates like HRC and Biden and paid for it dearly. He didn't even try honestly and that's the real tragedy of Bernie-style progressivism in this country. It works well in places like Portland and Seattle, but falls flat in Atlanta, Detroit, Baltimore, etc.

[BarrileteCosmico]

Dems kind of did this to themselves. 20 people ran in 2020 and they chose the only one that would be too old to run again in 2024.

Felt bad for Biden. Looked absolutely lost our there. He should step aside and enjoy his last years.

[McLewis]

I've been watching the weekend shows on CNN and MSNBC and the center-left punditry is already shifting away from this. They're essentially telling the "Biden should step aside" crowd to lock in and focus on beating Trump by backing Biden. They're attempting to shut down any talk of replacing him. They act as if even pausing to consider whether Biden should continue as candidate is heresy and a boon to Trump. It's ridiculous.

[FennecFox7]

She would also mobilize Trumps voters though as they see her as far left. And boomers who want to vote for a centrist would be put off

Honestly believe they still need a candidate than can appeal to some right-wingers and moderates too, someone middle-of-the-way

All the progressives and leftists have to do to appeal to the more conservative voters is reduce bourgeoise identity politics (LGBT rights, etc) and promote class consciousness and realize the source of many problems is crony capitalism

I don't think progressives should be appealing to conservative voters at all.

What progressives need to be doing is truly doing the work in underserved communities of color. An inconvenient truth about Bernie in 2016 and 2020 is this absolute reticence to engage with Black voters, particularly in the Deep South. His insistence on class politics as the overall umbrella that includes racial injustice very much alienated Black Democrats. He ceded that ground to the Center Left candidates like HRC and Biden and paid for it dearly. He didn't even try honestly and that's the real tragedy of Bernie-style progressivism in this country. It works well in places like Portland and Seattle, but falls flat in Atlanta, Detroit, Baltimore, etc.

We partly disagree here. I understand the systemic inequalities blacks have had to go through and the history of violence and racism they have had to endure (an understatement), but it doesn’t change the fact that class politics would help these people more then liberal empty speak about social justice. When have the white liberals truly helped minorities? Even Malcolm X speaks on this. They are liars and use racial injustice as a talking point to get votes.

[FennecFox7]

I've been watching the weekend shows on CNN and MSNBC and the center-left punditry is already shifting away from this. They're essentially telling the "Biden should step aside" crowd to lock in and focus on beating Trump by backing Biden. They're attempting to shut down any talk of replacing him. They act as if even pausing to consider whether Biden should continue as candidate is heresy and a boon to Trump. It's ridiculous.

It’s crazy. They would rather lose the election to trump. I have no sympathy for the DNC. And no sympathy for Biden, a corporate puppet his whole life, I feel bad for the American people who have to suffer. If trump wins, it is what it is, democrats have only themselves to blame.

[McLewis]

She would also mobilize Trumps voters though as they see her as far left. And boomers who want to vote for a centrist would be put off

Honestly believe they still need a candidate than can appeal to some right-wingers and moderates too, someone middle-of-the-way

All the progressives and leftists have to do to appeal to the more conservative voters is reduce bourgeoise identity politics (LGBT rights, etc) and promote class consciousness and realize the source of many problems is crony capitalism

I don't think progressives should be appealing to conservative voters at all.

What progressives need to be doing is truly doing the work in underserved communities of color. An inconvenient truth about Bernie in 2016 and 2020 is this absolute reticence to engage with Black voters, particularly in the Deep South. His insistence on class politics as the overall umbrella that includes racial injustice very much alienated Black Democrats. He ceded that ground to the Center Left candidates like HRC and Biden and paid for it dearly. He didn't even try honestly and that's the real tragedy of Bernie-style progressivism in this country. It works well in places like Portland and Seattle, but falls flat in Atlanta, Detroit, Baltimore, etc.

We partly disagree here. I understand the systemic inequalities blacks have had to go through and the history of violence and racism they have had to endure (an understatement), but it doesn’t change the fact that class politics would help these people more then liberal empty speak about social justice. When have the white liberals truly helped minorities? Even Malcolm X speaks on this. They are liars and use racial injustice as a talking point to get votes.

I think it's important to understand the context in which Malcolm X said that, which was a call for Black self-determination. He said that as a rebuke of the notion that Black folks could rely on the kindness of white liberals and moderates to progress forward. And he's right. The lip service from moderate Dems and the shoving of issues uniquely impacting our community into the greater umbrella of "class struggles" by Bernie Progressives is instructive that if we want better for ourselves as a community, it starts with us and no one else.

I've been watching the weekend shows on CNN and MSNBC and the center-left punditry is already shifting away from this. They're essentially telling the "Biden should step aside" crowd to lock in and focus on beating Trump by backing Biden. They're attempting to shut down any talk of replacing him. They act as if even pausing to consider whether Biden should continue as candidate is heresy and a boon to Trump. It's ridiculous.

It’s crazy. They would rather lose the election to trump. I have no sympathy for the DNC. And no sympathy for Biden, a corporate puppet his whole life, I feel bad for the American people who have to suffer. If trump wins, it is what it is, democrats have only themselves to blame.

A true primary should've occurred. Not the farcical one that actually did happen. It is what it is now. Just as in 2020, my vote is against Trump. It's not for Biden.

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