Re: How would Real Madrid/Barca do in the EPL/Serie A?

by Onyx Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:42 pm

Villarreal finished 2nd in 2008.

by che Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:43 pm

07... my bad

by Onyx Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:44 pm

Se7en wrote:
mtfootball wrote:Is it just me or do EPL teams seem more competitive than La liga teams?

I mean each week it's 'Oh, Real Madrid and Barca will win this easily'.

Whereas in the EPL most of the teams have an identity.

That's just you

Do you take a Barca vs. Bilbao granted?

or Valencia vs. Barca granted?

It's just premfaces that have that attitude along with you apparently..

No, but there's more top tier teams in the EPL than in La liga.

And Barca beat Valencia 5-1.

by REWB Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:44 pm

Se7en wrote:
jibers wrote:
Se7en wrote:Not true Jibers, everything you're saying is so hypothetical so far

First off, Barca has never been a injury prone squad before now. I remember joking about them never getting injured. Their medical squad is one of the best in the world and I think the "physical"-aspect of EPL is often very overrated. And as I said before, with the whole EPL being at it's lowest I've ever seen them at I have no doubts in my mind Barca/Real would walk it.

Also it's true our defense has alot of concentration problems, but don't you think if it was exposed more in EPL they wouldn't get replaced? Pepe is a solid defender when he isn't ball watching the whole game (such as CSKA Moskva), same goes for Ramos. Also we've Mourinho as the coach, he knows EPL, if that was the case they would get replaced. Don't agree anyways. If our defense sucked that much Barca would score much more against us lol (or valecnia or any other la liga team)

Stand by what I said, they would have it a walk in the park in any other league and I think there are less teams in EPL that can challange Barca/Madrid compared to La Liga.

Barcelona beat you at home 3-1. The same result United had a neutral ground against a far betetr barca. Barcelona beat you 5-0 lasts eason. But as always excuses will be made. They beat you it is a tactical error, you draw with them you were superior. Again, Barcelona have had 13 hamstring injuries this season, the same amount they had the whole of last season. They play in the EPL with that small squad, at that pace with very few breaks? They will crumble. Iniesta is injury prone, he would get demolished playing a full season in the EPL, Xavi has an Achilles problem and will get even worse. Again Barcelona would have no walk in the park like theyve done the last 3 seasons. Real Madrid? LOL, win your league before talking of winnning other leagues ffs. ROFL.

We're winning our league...

Neutral ground my ass. It's not like the Man U players are unfamilair to Wembley. City won you 6-1 and lost to Napoli.

Really? Are you gonna tell me that Man U is gonna challange Barca more than let's say Valencia?

Dream on, when the big two leave La Liga it will look like the best league out there and most competive one aswell while EPL will be the real joke becouse they all suck in CL and Barca and Madrid are spanking them

no disrespect but you cant compare valencia to a team that has been to a cl final how many times in the last few years? more than madrid i can tell you that.

by Harmonica Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:45 pm

Raptorgunner wrote:
Doc wrote:Real Madrid and Barcelona in the BPL?! How much years you guys want Arsenal to go without a trophy, come on, let's leave them in Spain.

N.B Neither would be all that dominate in either Serie A or BPL.

The same Arsenal team that beat Barcelona at home and the same Arsenal team that got robbed by the ref?

Surely you meant how ref robbed Barcelona in London, and how you Arsenal didn't get a single shot in Barcelona?

by REWB Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:46 pm

jiopsi wrote:
Raptorgunner wrote:
Doc wrote:Real Madrid and Barcelona in the BPL?! How much years you guys want Arsenal to go without a trophy, come on, let's leave them in Spain.

N.B Neither would be all that dominate in either Serie A or BPL.

The same Arsenal team that beat Barcelona at home and the same Arsenal team that got robbed by the ref?
Surely you meant how ref robbed Barcelona at London, and how you Arsenal didn't get a shot in Barcelona?

we still scored though and still had chances

by Harmonica Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:47 pm

REWB wrote:
jiopsi wrote:
Raptorgunner wrote:
Doc wrote:Real Madrid and Barcelona in the BPL?! How much years you guys want Arsenal to go without a trophy, come on, let's leave them in Spain.

N.B Neither would be all that dominate in either Serie A or BPL.

The same Arsenal team that beat Barcelona at home and the same Arsenal team that got robbed by the ref?
Surely you meant how ref robbed Barcelona in London, and how Arsenal didn't get a single shot in Barcelona?

we still scored though and still had chances

Barcelona scored for you.

by Raptorgunner Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:48 pm

jiopsi wrote:
REWB wrote:
jiopsi wrote:
Raptorgunner wrote:
Doc wrote:Real Madrid and Barcelona in the BPL?! How much years you guys want Arsenal to go without a trophy, come on, let's leave them in Spain.

N.B Neither would be all that dominate in either Serie A or BPL.

The same Arsenal team that beat Barcelona at home and the same Arsenal team that got robbed by the ref?
Surely you meant how ref robbed Barcelona at London, and how you Arsenal didn't get a shot in Barcelona?

we still scored though and still had chances
Barcelona scored for you.

Does it matter? if RVP stayed on the chance we had at the end would have been at the back of the net.

Agent Cesc gifted you with a goal.

We played with 10 men the whole second half.

by Onyx Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:49 pm

Anyway the main thing I'm trying to say is EPL has more top tier teams than La liga does. Also the midtable teams are slightly more competitive than La liga's midtable teams.

However that doesn't mean there aren't any good teams aside from Barca and Real Madrid in La liga.

by REWB Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:49 pm

jiopsi wrote:
REWB wrote:
jiopsi wrote:
Raptorgunner wrote:
Doc wrote:Real Madrid and Barcelona in the BPL?! How much years you guys want Arsenal to go without a trophy, come on, let's leave them in Spain.

N.B Neither would be all that dominate in either Serie A or BPL.

The same Arsenal team that beat Barcelona at home and the same Arsenal team that got robbed by the ref?
Surely you meant how ref robbed Barcelona in London, and how Arsenal didn't get a single shot in Barcelona?

we still scored though and still had chances
Barcelona scored for you.

if the barca player didnt score it an arsenal play would have. it was terrible defending on the corner

by guest7 Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:50 pm

Basicly how La Liga got *bleep* up:

2007 - Barcelona hand out a pasillo to Real Madrid and get humiliated 4-1. Barcelona get desperate and decides they need to make drastic changes. They introduce La Liga to a man called Pep.
2008 - Pep wins the sixtuple
2009 - Madrid get desperate and spends millions on the likes of Kaka, CR, Benz
2010 - Madrid fed up with the raep and tries to counter Pep by buying Mou
2011 - Pep rapes la liga again
2012 - here we are atm where real madrid are being more consistent than they have EVER been before aka raping la liga

by Harmonica Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:51 pm

Raptorgunner wrote:
jiopsi wrote:
REWB wrote:
jiopsi wrote:
Raptorgunner wrote:
Doc wrote:Real Madrid and Barcelona in the BPL?! How much years you guys want Arsenal to go without a trophy, come on, let's leave them in Spain.

N.B Neither would be all that dominate in either Serie A or BPL.

The same Arsenal team that beat Barcelona at home and the same Arsenal team that got robbed by the ref?
Surely you meant how ref robbed Barcelona at London, and how you Arsenal didn't get a shot in Barcelona?

we still scored though and still had chances
Barcelona scored for you.

Does it matter? if RVP stayed on the chance we had at the end would have been at the back of the net.

Agent Cesc gifted you with a goal.

We played with 10 men the whole second half.

The if game is pointless, if Messi's legimite 0-2 goal would have stood in London, non of that would have mattered.

by RealGunner Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:53 pm

both of u enough, get back to topic. first and last warning

by RealGunner Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:55 pm

Back to topic

I can't talk about Serie A but Madrid n barca will definietely be in top 4 in the EPL, the quality of the teams have gone down the drain, I mean Liverpoo, United, Chelsea and Arsenal of 07/08 could easily challenge them two but atm not so much.

saying that, Both spanish teams will not have an abnormal GD, and neither of them will surpass the 85 point mark unlike in La liga

by EarlyPrototype Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:06 pm

They would both dominate the Premier League.

Currently Real Madrid is leading the best Barcelona team by 10 points pretty much the same team that schooled United twice. United struggled to finish above Valencia in the group stages last year who are no where near Real and Barca.

City who got their asses handed to them by Bayern and Napoli had 57 points at week 24. United had 55. Barca (currently week 24) have 54 points. So much for it is harder to get points in the Premier League. Yes that is less than City and United and don't give me that bullshit about having bad away form because that is all part of the game.

Real Madrid have done well against all top teams outside Spain. Smashed Spurs 4-0 at home and they finished top 4 the season before. Dominated AC Milan in both group stage games. Spurs are also one of the fastest in the premier league which apparently is played at a fast pace. Don't see why Real would not be able to handle the speed and considering Real Madrid is actually a fairly physical team I don't see any problems. Real Is currently the best team in the CL this season in terms of form despite the hiccup in Moscow. Whereas United and City got dumped into the Europa League.
United nearly got knocked out in the Europa League by Ajax lmao. Chelsea are just shit atm.

Would definitely be a two horse race, but we wouldn't be talking about breaking the 100 point barrier lol.

by VanDeezNuts Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:07 pm

the top teams in bpl and serie a are just not even close to the squad strength and depth of madrid/barca at this moment in time nor are any of those teams nearly consistent enough.

by Flick Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:20 pm

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Looking at the graph of the current standing. La Liga only has 2 "top teams" and it drops off severely after those 2 teams. Basically their 3-15 teams are in a race while the EPL have more teams near the "top tier". Serie A is pretty even as all their teams have a chance to get first place basically. So showing this graph basically tells us that if Barca or RM were to join either league they would have more competition then the league they are currently in. So they would have more injuries as each league plays different then La Liga. Barca and Real Madrid when playing teams not named Barca or Real Madrid don't really have to worry while teams in the EPL have more challenges compared to what Barca and Real Madrid play against.

by Flick Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:23 pm

As EarlyPrototype said they wouldn't be winning the league with 100 points like they would La Liga but yea they would be in the top 4 in each league with their depth

by RealGunner Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:30 pm

It won't be a 2 horse race though

by aford92 Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:36 pm

They would be the top 2 in any league IMO.

by StevieRayVaughan Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:44 pm

aford92 wrote:They would be the top 2 in any league IMO.

This.

by Aensensen Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:51 pm

I think Real and Barca would be real favourites to win the EPL at the moment. Chelsea's having problems, Liverpool and Arsenal too. Man UTD is not so great anymore and City (well, Napoli & Bayern). Tottenham proved to be no match last year vs Real.

As for the Serie A, I think Barca and Real would struggle more. First of all Juve has a way of beating Real every time, and Barca found out why the Italians are never beaten - even if it's the 92nd minute. Something in their mentality is just strange. They can lose 0-5 early in the season and later beat that same team 5-0. This unpredictability and technical skill would make, imo, Real and Barca really fight to maintain top 2 places.

by Jack Daniels Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:56 pm

RealGunner wrote:It won't be a 2 horse race though

It will.

Trust me with all this "BPL's small teams give more" as soon as RM and Barca come, their mentality will be the same as the small Spanish sides.

Those 2 are just too consistent for the other teams to catch up. They might draw a little more or lose head to head against the likes of Man Utd, City or whoever, I doubt that they will lose more points than the rest.

The two Domestic cups won't be a problem because the Copa Del Rey is played in 2 legs unlike the F.A. Cup and The CC. So it pretty much the same.

Before somebody says that this is just pure speculation then i agree because this thread is all about speculations anyway.