Arsenal gonna bring in some wonder kid i'm sure of it

The Franchise wrote:

Zealous wrote:Arsenal missing out on 4th is a very real possibility. I personally think they will make 4th but I'm not exactly rushing to make a bet.

Also I'm a Higuain fan and if Cavani and Suarez are worth 50+ million, Higuain for 30 million (the price Arsenal could have had him for had they sealed the deal early) would have been fair.

My gripe with point 1 is mostly bias to my favourite player however my gripe with point 2 is that it's a giant assumption on Dani's part.

Like I said I think Arsenal will make it but who knows, the law of averages is bound to catch up with them.

P.S. Don't face palm at any of my posts again Jibers (unless I give you permission )

Everyone says every year they wont get 4th..and every year they do. So laughing at my statement makes no sense.

And of course your a Higuain fan...doesnt make him as great as many others think. Cavani is "worth" 50 something million only because PSG are buying him. And last I check, Suarez hasnt gone anywhere for any price.

You seemed convinced hence my comment. I meant it in a light hearted way so I don't want you getting the idea that I don't take your statements seriously. I don't think it's clear cut though regardless for how long Arsenal have managed to maintain CL football despite the gloom and doom forecasts. I really believe the law of averages will catch up with them sooner or later. I've said before that I think they'll make 4th, mainly due to experience and probable belief Arsenal have in making the CL but by no means am I prepared to take it as a foregone conclusion not when other teams have prepared for the long season ahead much better than Arsenal have.

As for Higuain, Soldado went for 30 million and while any reply of Soldado not actually being worth 30 million would be valid, it doesn't matter when clubs have decided to take a relative approach to pricing. The market decided the value of top centre forwards this summer and 30 million for Higuain is not only imo a fair deal in today's climate but also would have been worth it, especially when the alternatives were no strikers at all.

Oh as for Gustavo Wolfsburg are paying him 8 million a year if I'm not mistaken. That's a pretty ridiculous wage to offer another club's bench player if you ask me.

Arsenal not signing him isn't a disaster but they probably should be signing someone else in his position.

Without a doubt, Arsenal are shit every time Arteta doesn't play they need someone else in that position for that reason alone.

Zealous wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Zealous wrote:Arsenal missing out on 4th is a very real possibility. I personally think they will make 4th but I'm not exactly rushing to make a bet.

Also I'm a Higuain fan and if Cavani and Suarez are worth 50+ million, Higuain for 30 million (the price Arsenal could have had him for had they sealed the deal early) would have been fair.

My gripe with point 1 is mostly bias to my favourite player however my gripe with point 2 is that it's a giant assumption on Dani's part.

Like I said I think Arsenal will make it but who knows, the law of averages is bound to catch up with them.

P.S. Don't face palm at any of my posts again Jibers (unless I give you permission )

Everyone says every year they wont get 4th..and every year they do. So laughing at my statement makes no sense.

And of course your a Higuain fan...doesnt make him as great as many others think. Cavani is "worth" 50 something million only because PSG are buying him. And last I check, Suarez hasnt gone anywhere for any price.

You seemed convinced hence my comment. I meant it in a light hearted way so I don't want you getting the idea that I don't take your statements seriously. I don't think it's clear cut though regardless for how long Arsenal have managed to maintain CL football despite the gloom and doom forecasts. I really believe the law of averages will catch up with them sooner or later. I've said before that I think they'll make 4th, mainly due to experience and probable belief Arsenal have in making the CL but by no means am I prepared to take it as a foregone conclusion not when other teams have prepared for the long season ahead much better than Arsenal have.

As for Higuain, Soldado went for 30 million and while any reply of Soldado not actually being worth 30 million would be valid, it doesn't matter when clubs have decided to take a relative approach to pricing. The market decided the value of top centre forwards this summer and 30 million for Higuain is not only imo a fair deal in today's climate but also would have been worth it, especially when the alternatives were no strikers at all.

But what should I then say? Yes, Higuain is worth at least 30m because a worse player in Saldado went for the same?

People say Arsenal should of got Higuain for 30 or 35...and I replied, yeah if Wenger/you think Higuain is worth that. I certainly do not.

What else can I say? Either I feel like they should of paid that for him or they shouldnt.

Well I think they should have but I'd be called bised. Even objectively speaking he'd have helped out a lot in terms of carrying the burden of goal scoring. It's not like there is any evidence against Higuain being a reliable source of goals either, he has over 100 goals for Madrid, is a regular source of goals for Argentina (starts ahead of supposedly superior players too) so it stands to reason he would have been a regular source of goals for Arsenal had they signed him.

I suppose it's a matter of how much would you pay for a player who could really help your team as opposed to is this player worth X amount based on individual merit. Wenger probably did the later but Wenger isn't infallible and he could have made a huge mistake if he hasn't signed anyone by the time the transfer window closes.

Not saying signing Pipita would have fixed all of Arsenal supposed woes (I think their problems run deeper) but it couldn't have hurt and it's not like Higuain's wage demands were high or that his price wasn't within their transfer budget.

Zealous wrote:Well I think they should have but I'd be called bised. Even objectively speaking he'd have helped out a lot in terms of carrying the burden of goal scoring. It's not like there is any evidence against Higuain being a reliable source of goals either, he has over 100 goals for Madrid, is a regular source of goals for Argentina (starts ahead of supposedly superior players too) so it stands to reason he would have been a regular source of goals for Arsenal had they signed him.

I suppose it's a matter of how much would you pay for a player who could really help your team as opposed to is this player worth X amount based on individual merit. Wenger probably did the later but Wenger isn't infallible and he could have made a huge mistake if he hasn't signed anyone by the time the transfer window closes.  

Not saying signing Pipita would have fixed all of Arsenal supposed woes (I think their problems run deeper) but it couldn't have hurt and it's not like Higuain's wage demands were high or that his price wasn't within their transfer budget.

You know, the main reason I dont think they should of paid that for Higuain isnt even his quality. Its his style.

I dont believe Arsenal require "a poacher". I has never worked for Wenger and Arsenal. Everyone knows they waste too many chances, but what I think people ignore a little is, it isnt always the main striker. The miss chances as a team very often.

I think Arsenal have no use for a poacher because what do you do with Giroud? Your going to sub him off for Higuain? What does that sub do? Tactically very little. All it will do is increase the importance of their fullbacks and "wingers" (if you wish to call Walcott, Podolski and co. that) to put in good service...something they dont do well.

And on top of this question about his fit, as many goals as Higuain as scored in La Liga he has consistently failed to be clinical in big games.

So really, for Arsenal what are you getting for that 30 or 35m?

For me, not all that much. A player that improved them no question, but the ideal player? No, not for me and therefore not worth that pretty high price.

Fair enough but Higuain is still quite young so the "scoring in big games" thing will fade away with time as he grows and gets better. Plus his intangibles are a great asset to any team he plays for.

And I'll say again when given the choice of paying 30 million for Higuain or sign no one at all I'd choose the former, I'd reckon most would but not Wenger it seems. We'll have to see how that decesion pans out for him i guess.

He's 25. I think he is at his best already.

Intangibles? Like?

Yes, I agree Higuain for a bit more than he is worth is better than noone. But thats assuming he wont sign anyone...but people should not assume that just yet.

Arsenal's upcomming fixtures tough as hell.

2 vital games vs Fener
A tough game at Craven Cottage, where they struggle.

And then Spurs at Emirates, a team that has a good record against Arsenal the last 3-4 years.

We could sign a poacher-like striker if we took Walcott out the side and replaced him with a more creative player. Walcott's movement is all about getting into scoring positions and as a result he tends not to get involved with the build-up and even when he does, he's unlikely to thread a pass through the defence or do something that'll make space for someone else.

But since he's a productive player, him being dropped is not going to happen any time soon, so we need a more creative striker to make up for what we lose when playing Walcott.

The Franchise wrote:He's 25. I think he is at his best already.

Intangibles? Like?

Yes, I agree Higuain for a bit more than he is worth is better than noone. But thats assuming he wont sign anyone...but people should not assume that just yet.

He's 25 this year I think so that's what? probably 5 years at the top with him potentially getting better with experience? I think he'll get better with time, my opinion based on what I know about him.

As for intangibles he's the type of player that'll never give you less than 100% and during home games especially that kind of attitude can really get the home crowd behind the team, he's humble and a great influence overall. Again my assement so we'll see if it holds true at Napoli I personally think it will and I'm glad he went to a club like Napoli where he'll likely be loved instead of Arsenal who are kind of in a dark place atm.

As for the last point we can assume Arsenal will sign someone but can we assume he'll be worth it? Can we assume he'll even sign a striker? Until he actually does panic buy we kinda have to assume he's happy with the squad he currently has considering it's taken him so long to do his business. He might sign an Arteta (good value for money) but he just as easily get a Santos (sh*t player for cheap)

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Without a doubt, Arsenal are shit every time Arteta doesn't play they need someone else in that position for that reason alone.

When Arteta doesn't play they just have a massive hole in the middle of there team. Teams can counter attack them so quickly and easily it's insane.

Selling Song and in turn Barcelona buying Song didn't work out for either team. He is wasted at Barcelona and missed at Arsenal. Again letting Paulinho go to Spurs and not fighting to sign him or hell at least bidding his price up was a massive mistake. He would look great in a Arsenal shirt and is basically exactly what they need.

Wilshire is just not a CM. He really offers the team nothing nowadays going forward or protecting his area of the field. The fact they let Wilshere take a lot of the free kicks instead of Cazorla who is one of the best free kick takers in Europe is just weird and makes no sense and they basically are playing Cazorla out of position a bit to make room for Wilshere as the CM.

Wilshere's injury last year helped Arsenal turn there season around as Cazorla, Arteta and Rosicsky all play better when he is out of the midfield. I think it's time Wenger sit him on the bench, he has been underwhelming for the better part of a year now.

And Chesney???? Why why why has it taken Wenger the better part of a decade to buy a proper keeper? Keepers really are not even that expensive, it just makes no sense to try to cheap out on a keeper and "find a diamond in the rough". Spend 20-25 mill on a proper keeper and then be set at the position for the next 5-10 years and never have to worry about it again.

The top teams in the EPL all have very good to great keepers with De Gea, Cech, Hart, Lloris etc. And there is no earthly reason teams like Everton, QPR, Newcastle should have better keepers then Arsenal, it makes no sense.

I don't think Paulinho is the player Arsenal should've fought Tottenham for. Certainly, he's a very good player, and they could've pressured Spurs into a pricier deal. However, I see Jack Wilshere as effectively a Paulinho type of player (a box-to-box midfielder that can and will tackle, but gets forward too and controls tempo).

I would actually argue that Capoue is exactly what they need, not Paulinho. Capoue is the type of DM that sits back, corals attacks, and presents a physical presence when needed. He's also capable of setting the tempo, linking defense and attack, and providing a fixed point to recycle possesion.

Ever since Wilshere's return to fitness last season, Arteta has been slotted into this role, and he's performed fairly well. However, his physicality and defensive abilities seem limited. This is understandable when you consider that he rarely if ever played as a DM prior to moving to Arsenal. Perhaps it's time for Wenger to stump up the cash for a real DM.

Wilshere never scores.

Zealous wrote:

The Franchise wrote:He's 25. I think he is at his best already.

Intangibles? Like?

Yes, I agree Higuain for a bit more than he is worth is better than noone. But thats assuming he wont sign anyone...but people should not assume that just yet.

He's 25 this year I think so that's what? probably 5 years at the top with him potentially getting better with experience? I think he'll get better with time, my opinion based on what I know about him.

As for intangibles he's the type of player that'll never give you less than 100% and during home games especially that kind of attitude can really get the home crowd behind the team, he's humble and a great influence overall. Again my assement so we'll see if it holds true at Napoli I personally think it will and I'm glad he went to a club like Napoli where he'll likely be loved instead of Arsenal who are kind of in a dark place atm.

As for the last point we can assume Arsenal will sign someone but can we assume he'll be worth it? Can we assume he'll even sign a striker? Until he actually does panic buy we kinda have to assume he's happy with the squad he currently has considering it's taken him so long to do his business. He might sign an Arteta (good value for money) but he just as easily get a Santos (sh*t player for cheap)

I think he is pretty experienced already. I dont rule out him getting better and improving his mentality in those big games, but I dont think he will ever really become the player Arsenal (currently) actually need.

Agree about his attitude no question.

No, we cant assume Wenger will sign someone who is worth it or even a striker, though I would be surprised if did sign 2 players and none of them were strikers. I am realy just trying to go decision by decision with Wenger, because I feel like people are being a little unfair to him.

I think what he decided with Higuain was right, Gustavo he did all he could from what it sounds like, I think he was wrong to not at least attempt Jovetic though he would of lost in the end anyway and I think he was right to bid that "funny" amount for Suarez. He knows Cesc isnt going so he isnt wasting time there and I think he is right not to go for someone like Fellaini or probably Williams like he has been linked to either, because I dont think they really improve the squad. He seems like he might go for Rooney, but I think he is wasting his time if he does...I just dont see it.

And overall, I think he has done a bad job (well obviously they havent signed anyone) up untill now improving the squad..I think its half because he is niave about his own players and I think the other half is he is morally opposed to overpaying. He might sign someone and be wrong about them (Chamakh, Squid, Santos) but he wont overpay.

Feel a little sorry for this fella and the rest of Arsenal fans

Think the referee ruined the game yesterday. Kos got the ball, so it wasn't a penalty. Obviously it was going to be tough when they went down to 10 men. All Wenger needs is a DoF to help with transfers.

Also, Ramsey's dive for Benteke to get a yellow...

at Arsenal fans "patience" though. They went on to boo Cazorla ffs.

Actually, MOTD did a great job of showing exactly why it WAS a penalty.

I haven't seen the MOTD highlights, but Kos did get the ball first albeit with his studs. (From what I saw of the replays in game anyway.)

The linesman didn't call it a penalty, either.

Zealous wrote:Oh as for Gustavo Wolfsburg are paying him 8 million a year if I'm not mistaken. That's a pretty ridiculous wage to offer another club's bench player if you ask me.

Arsenal not signing him isn't a disaster but they probably should be signing someone else in his position.

Uh no..

General manager Klaus Allofs rejected reports that Wolfsburg paid €22 million for the player and had put Gustavo on a €8 million salary.

"That overstates the case," Allofs said, before adding that he was "delighted to have beaten international competition to the signature of Gustavo".

Main reason why they couldnt sign him : he wanted to stay in Germany..

something-red wrote:I haven't seen the MOTD highlights, but Kos did get the ball first albeit with his studs. (From what I saw of the replays in game anyway.)

The linesman didn't call it a penalty, either.

He didn't though. His trailing leg collided with Agbonlahor's back leg before he made contact with the ball.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Without a doubt, Arsenal are shit every time Arteta doesn't play they need someone else in that position for that reason alone.

Mole knows.

Arsenals demise began when they refused to pay Ashley Cole an extra £5k all those years ago.

Funny looking back on it.

What can I say, surprised but not that surprise, it feels just like OLD SAME arsenal for the past 5 years. They do well in non crunch time and fail when it matters. This is terrible start and nothing new, Wenger's reputation has dipped so much for me, its been too long he failed to address Arsenal's problems.