How highly do you rate Mourinho as a tactician?

I honestly think you don't understand how management works

If you can't organize attacks, you can always hire an attacking coach for you. In this case we don't really need to, since Mourinho knows it (usually, a guy who knows how to defend attacks usually knows how to start attacks)

Let's quit the bullcrap and stop being so naive, ofc we look disorganized when Ronaldo goes missing and Özil too. They all are dependant on each other, especially Özil who's role is to orchestrate attacks in the final third

What a surprise, Nick and Dani completely and intellectually dismantling these poor arguments of Madrid fans with their reactionary minutia of posts littered with angst.

Ive seen too many times.

Le Samourai wrote:

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Se7en wrote:No him coaching the highest scoring teams wherever he goes tells me he is a great attacking coach

He doesnt show great attacking organizations in his teams tho, there are several teams better organized than us in attack in la liga alone. The numbers of goals is not the only determinant. It's about how well you get your team to move the ball in the final third. I can easily argue that there are teams like Valencia, Malaga or Betis in la liga alone that show greater attacking organization then us.

Yea I agree.

Those teams take liberties though, time is on their side, we on the other hand need to be a bit more frugal in the way we do things for the most part to ensure some degree of success.

That's the responsibility of the manager, but i dont believe that one way excludes the other. It's been two years now that he is coach, he had all the time in the world to get it up, but didnt.

Arquitecto wrote:What a surprise, Nick and Dani completely and intellectually dismantling these poor arguments of Madrid fans with their reactionary minutia of posts littered with angst.

Ive seen too many times.

Funny how both of those 2 you mentioned (assuming) dont actually play football....Like I said cant take anyone seriously, who knows a bit of grammar

Arquitecto wrote:What a surprise, Nick and Dani completely and intellectually dismantling these poor arguments of Madrid fans with their reactionary minutia of posts littered with angst.

Ive seen too many times.

All's fair in love and war.








and football.

Nameless wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:What a surprise, Nick and Dani completely and intellectually dismantling these poor arguments of Madrid fans with their reactionary minutia of posts littered with angst.

Ive seen too many times.

Funny how both of those 2 you mentioned (assuming) dont actually play football....Like I said cant take anyone seriously, who knows a bit of grammar

I wanted to be the first to this.

Nameless wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:

Nameless wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:

Nameless wrote:Hes tactics were a bit poor I agree, who cares tho he excells alot more than being a tactical genius....
You dont win games by being only tactical ffs.

Tactics, system, gameplan. All comes within the same package. Not to mention tactics is what wins you big games.

I saw none of the 3 mentioned.

So he had a poor game, just like every coach does. Dosent prove anything.
And please i saw the exact same error from Allegri when he was up against Barcelona in quarters, same shit, couldnt do anything "tactically".

The fact that you compared 2 different situations of a cosmic disparity pretty much means you haven't really thought this response through

Maybe I just cant take you seriously?...

As cliched as this sounds, there is a poetic irony behind your statement. Along with the fact that half of this forum can't take you seriously either.

But its fine, its only the Internet.

While your at it, find a response that you never gave in your How do you rate Allegri thread. Thatll give some insight

You cant cry all you like boys (fanboys), but the truth is the truth.

Winning titles doesnt equate great tactics, neither does scoring the most goals.

Shoot the messanger all you like, maybe Mou's deflection of poor performances work on you guys cause you literally cant think for yourselfs.

I will just point to the countless games Mou makes fail move after fail move.

Like this one, having Di Maria playing so much through the center and Ozil so much on the flank.

Or like the Barca games, Adebayor up front and hoof...or Cristiano up front and secondary hoof.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/04/17/bayern-munich-2-1-real-madrid-what-type-of-player-to-use-as-the-number-ten/

There you go, a EXPERT who knows TACTICS tells the whole story

Mourinho knew the problems, and tried his best to fix it.

this poll is an insult...we all know the man is brilliant, get with it people :bball:

LOL at "you dont play football" arguement.

One of, if not the, greatest coach of his time, Sacchi, didnt play football. Tell him your too good to listen to his opinion.

The Franchise wrote:LOL at "you dont play football" arguement.

One of, if not the, greatest coach of his time, Sacchi, didnt play football. Tell him your too good to listen to his opinion.

really?. I thought he played 15 years as a senior.

The Franchise wrote:LOL at "you dont play football" arguement.

One of, if not the, greatest coach of his time, Sacchi, didnt play football. Tell him your too good to listen to his opinion.

Mou didn't play football

I liked the Di Maria move....to me he seems to do a good job of forcing the defense to swarm him (messi-ish) he just needs to learn to play the correct ball.

Needs to think outlet pass before daggers.

Se7en wrote:http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/04/17/bayern-munich-2-1-real-madrid-what-type-of-player-to-use-as-the-number-ten/

There you go, a EXPERT who knows TACTICS tells the whole story

Mourinho knew the problems, and tried his best to fix it.

He is an expert based on? He has an opinion and I have mine.

Anyway, "try to fix it" gets you nowhere..fixing it does.

Why dont I say, Pep "tried to fix it" vs Inter by removing Keita...I will ignore the fact he cost us goals in the first place, but trying to fix it solves everything lol

Anyway, in your "proof" of Mou's tactics, it shows his fail.

"With Ozil out of the way, Bayern simply had a 3 v 2 in the centre of midfield. Alonso and Sami Khedira didn’t know whether to press or stand off – they were either conceding space in behind, with the defence not stepping up, or allowing Bayern time in the ball in midfield."

The Mou changed it, with Di Maria in the middle and what did this lead to? A useless attack, where neither Ozil nor Di Maria was effect.

Again, he sacrificed attack for defence...because he isnt an offensive tactican and has limited offensive tactical skill.

The Mou switced it again (all according to your proof) and in the end, they still lost and got outplayed lol

I dont know what you want here...praise for losing?

"But..but...he understood the problems and tried his best" lol

Nameless wrote:

The Franchise wrote:LOL at "you dont play football" arguement.

One of, if not the, greatest coach of his time, Sacchi, didnt play football. Tell him your too good to listen to his opinion.

really?. I thought he played 15 years as a senior.

Never professionally.

Se7en wrote:http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/04/17/bayern-munich-2-1-real-madrid-what-type-of-player-to-use-as-the-number-ten/

There you go, a EXPERT who knows TACTICS tells the whole story

Mourinho knew the problems, and tried his best to fix it.

the same guy that is saying that it's extremely rare to see us overrun in the midfield?

he might be an "expert" but he doesnt hold the truth, i can count the number of teams that overran us in CL and in liga, including the likes of CSKA in moscow or Valencia and Villarreal not so long ago.

If he knew the problems and tried his best to solve it then its the players fault..

The right or correct tactical change is irrelevant to the outcome of said change. Sure, it's an added bonus if the outcome is positive. But if the outcome is still negative nonetheless it is still regarded as a correct move or "the best possible move in current circumstances".


Play some chess, people. Or read the Art of War.

Giggity5313 wrote:If he knew the problems and tried his best to solve it then its the players fault..

Nah i think it's rubbish because teams use the same exact gameplan against us over and over to various effect. Then we start to play long and try to hit them on counters, sometimes it worked, but sometimes it failed too, like today.
Betis flogged the midfield, Valencia did the same, as Malaga etc..

Giggity5313 wrote:If he knew the problems and tried his best to solve it then its the players fault..

No its not.

A. He put them in the wrong "position" in the first place.

B. Trying doesnt get you anywhere, every coach that sees the mistake tries to fix it, what seperates them is who can actually fix it.

C. The players always do what they do, the coach is in charge of putting them in a good situation to do what they do.

You cant have it both ways for Mourinho. When they win, he did well, when they lose, its the players. Joint effort all the time.

He got an acceptable result with players that play terrible. 2-1 with away goal is good for return to Madrid.

He has a problem that this players are not disciplined like his Inter players and his central defenders are not Lucio and Samuel of 2010. But he is playing the right tactic for first of 2 games.

The article shows Mourinho knows how to organize a attack (how the changed Özils dutys multiple times) yet Dani, as deluded as usual, says the opposite.

A major facepalm to you, sir.

At half-time Mourinho switched them back again – after that period of caution, he now wanted a goal. Ozil was restored to the centre, which was a very risky move that could have gone dreadfully wrong. Instead, it went well – Ozil was told not to bother dropping back into midfield, and instead get into positions to launch breaks – this worked brilliantly for Real’s goal – finished in a scrappy manner, but owing much to the fact that Real defended a free-kick with only six players, leaving their front four in a position to break. The break featured all four players, getting 4 v 4 against the Bayern defence. That was precisely what the system was meant to do.

He does watch our games often Nick, you can see that on twitter. And no we don't get overrun, I think your complaining about us having a weak midfield has always been a unfair critique, sometimes it's not the midfielders fault but rather the whole team.

Ah.... Micheal Cox, behind his fancy graphs and chart tables is a man is ridiculed for his core analysis. Also known as the pseudo-football analyst as this term has been coined by his former followers.

I've lost count of how many analysis he makes of teams he clearly does not watch while talking straight out of his ass. Expert? LOL.

RM fans just need to get over the fact that their former manager just owned Mourinho literally in every managerial sense.

There was nothing incisive or cerebral about his tactics today along with his wayward manner of addressing the problems.

What I am confident of is that he will unleash whatever sense he left at Inter and still win over Bayern to the final in the 2nd leg.

Arquitecto wrote:Ah.... Micheal Cox, behind his fancy graphs and chart tables is a man is ridiculed for his core analysis. Also known as the pseudo-football analyst as this term has been coined by his former followers.

I've lost count of how many analysis he makes of teams he clearly does not watch while talking straight out of his ass. Expert? LOL.

RM fans just need to get over the fact that their former manager just owned Mourinho literally in every managerial sense.

There was nothing incisive or cerebral about his tactics today along with his wayward manner of addressing the problems.

What I am confident of is that he will unleash whatever sense he left at Inter and still win over Bayern to the final in the 2nd leg.

Was he wrong though? From what I saw, no he wasn't.

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pretty sure last night the mastermind option had like 14-15 votes, now it's 21