Re: How highly do you rate Mourinho as a tactician?

by Dnmac4 Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:17 pm

I honestly think he doesn't know what to do with THIS team when up against premium opposition.

If plan 1 doesn't work then it's foul foul foul and pray for a long ball to Ronaldo.

Also, I have been saying this forever since his out of control pressers, conspiracy theories, and punching other coach's etc etc that this team has no discipline and it is 100% his fault.

It's the reason when they lose you see someone almost get themselves thrown out of the game at the end pretty much every time. IT's also the reason Ronaldo can continue to have horrific defensive outings against good competition and they make a stupid mistake at the back almost every time they play premium competition.

It's not a coincidence that when there up against top teams in Europe Ronaldo looks a shadow of himself, it's because he's allowed to be on the wing by himself and free to do what ever he likes and not flowing with the team one bit. This would NEVER fly at Inter. Hell, he made Eto'o into a defender.

I know Bayern fans may kill me for this but IMO Madrid can kill this Bayern team but they really didn't want to go forward in any kind of numbers, when they did they looked dangerous. I have to believe that was Mou's instructions and I don't know why.

It's like he still plays like he doesn't trust / like this team like he thinks somethings missing.

Of course this is against premium competition because this team is so loaded you can throw them out there and can beat the brakes off of most teams no matter how they play.

by Mr Nick09 Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:57 pm

dnmac4 wrote:I honestly think he doesn't know what to do with THIS team when up against premium opposition.

If plan 1 doesn't work then it's foul foul foul and pray for a long ball to Ronaldo.

Also, I have been saying this forever since his out of control pressers, conspiracy theories, and punching other coach's etc etc that this team has no discipline and it is 100% his fault.

It's the reason when they lose you see someone almost get themselves thrown out of the game at the end pretty much every time. IT's also the reason Ronaldo can continue to have horrific defensive outings against good competition and they make a stupid mistake at the back almost every time they play premium competition.

It's not a coincidence that when there up against top teams in Europe Ronaldo looks a shadow of himself, it's because he's allowed to be on the wing by himself and free to do what ever he likes and not flowing with the team one bit. This would NEVER fly at Inter. Hell, he made Eto'o into a defender.

I know Bayern fans may kill me for this but IMO Madrid can kill this Bayern team but they really didn't want to go forward in any kind of numbers, when they did they looked dangerous. I have to believe that was Mou's instructions and I don't know why.

It's like he still plays like he doesn't trust / like this team like he thinks somethings missing.

Of course this is against premium competition because this team is so loaded you can throw them out there and can beat the brakes off of most teams no matter how they play.

Good points, although tonight the one think that he got wrong was the subs. Putting Marcelo and then Granero and very late Higuain never impacted the game at all if anything, it only comforted our defensive position in the second half.

by Arquitecto Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:00 pm

che wrote:
Se7en wrote:

Sahin great player, but he isn't ready.

and whose fault is that?

i'd venture that sahin is a better player than forrest or xabi "i can do precisely one thing" alonso

Explain on the Alonso part. I really don't think thats called for.

As for Mou, his tactics were piss poor tonight. Another reason why he will never be the best manager in the world.

Very disappointed in the complete lack of gameplan and leadership displayed by him.

by Pedram Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:08 pm

I thought he should've given Kaka a chance, he usually performs in big games.

Could have given more playing time to Higuain too.

by Albiceleste Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:09 pm

Mastermind is winning the poll Laughing

by the xcx Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:16 pm

Hes tactics were a bit poor I agree, who cares tho he excells alot more than being a tactical genius....
You dont win games by being only tactical ffs.

by Arquitecto Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:20 pm

Nameless wrote:Hes tactics were a bit poor I agree, who cares tho he excells alot more than being a tactical genius....
You dont win games by being only tactical ffs.

Tactics, system, gameplan. All comes within the same package. Not to mention tactics is what wins you big games.

I saw none of the 3 mentioned.

by the xcx Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:23 pm

Arquitecto wrote:
Nameless wrote:Hes tactics were a bit poor I agree, who cares tho he excells alot more than being a tactical genius....
You dont win games by being only tactical ffs.

Tactics, system, gameplan. All comes within the same package. Not to mention tactics is what wins you big games.

I saw none of the 3 mentioned.

So he had a poor game, just like every coach does. Dosent prove anything.
And please i saw the exact same error from Allegri when he was up against Barcelona in quarters, same shit, couldnt do anything "tactically".

by The Franchise Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:24 pm

Mourinho doesnt have offensive tactics, we all know this.

There is no point even mentioning his name when we talk about tacticans.

by the xcx Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:25 pm

The Franchise wrote:Mourinho doesnt have offensive tactics, we all know this.

There is no point even mentioning his name when we talk about tacticans.

Majority disagrees, hes titles speak for himself, and quite frankly titles matter. Not being offensive or not.

by Freeza Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:27 pm

Everytime he tries to make a defensive substitution, it ends up very very very badly. This time today Granero and Marcelo for Özil and Di María. And everytime he changes from 4-2-3-1 to 4-3-3 we seem to concede. Cannot wait for the day when he goes for the win all game in these knockout games

by guest7 Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:27 pm

Mourinho doesn't have any offensive tactics Laughing

So how the *bleep* does he win 2 CL and a so many league titles (and score so much) if he cant even organize the attack?

The stuff I read sometimes... The ignorance...

by Mr Nick09 Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:29 pm

Nameless wrote:
The Franchise wrote:Mourinho doesnt have offensive tactics, we all know this.

There is no point even mentioning his name when we talk about tacticans.

Majority disagrees, hes titles speak for himself, and quite frankly titles matter. Not being offensive or not.

I agree with Dani and it's obvious when we play, at least to me it is. It's in difficult games like these that it becomes even more apparent, if we analyse who made the better use of the ball it's Bayern by far.

And Mourinho winning trophies doesnt mean that he is a great attacking coach

by guest7 Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:30 pm

No him coaching the highest scoring teams wherever he goes tells me he is a great attacking coach

by Le Samourai Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:32 pm

Mou has no philosophy but I think he's an excellent "tactician" .

Jack of all trades master of none so to speak.

by Onyx Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:33 pm

Sometimes it looks like we don't know what we're doing with the ball. It feels as if we're relying on counter-attacks, lucky goals or individual skill.

We were lucky Ronaldo scored that header against Gijon.

by the xcx Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:34 pm

mtfootball wrote:Sometimes it looks like we don't know what we're doing with the ball. It feels as if we're relying on counter-attacks, lucky goals or individual skill.

We were lucky Ronaldo scored that header against Gijon.

by Mr Nick09 Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:34 pm

Se7en wrote:No him coaching the highest scoring teams wherever he goes tells me he is a great attacking coach

He doesnt show great attacking organizations in his teams tho, there are several teams better organized than us in attack in la liga alone. The numbers of goals is not the only determinant. It's about how well you get your team to move the ball in the final third. I can easily argue that there are teams like Valencia, Malaga or Betis in la liga alone that show greater attacking organization then us.

by Pedram Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:34 pm

Mourinho doesn't have offensive tactic yet he manages to beat the record of most goal scored by a team in La Liga.

Dat logic. :bow:

by Mr Nick09 Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:35 pm

Pedram wrote:Mourinho doesn't have offensive tactic yet he manages to beat the record of most goal scored by a team in La Liga.

Dat logic.

I dont think you understand the points being made here.

by Seppuku Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:37 pm

The Franchise wrote:Mourinho doesnt have offensive tactics, we all know this.

There is no point even mentioning his name when we talk about tacticans.

Literal diarrhea.

by Le Samourai Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:38 pm

Mr Nick09 wrote:
Se7en wrote:No him coaching the highest scoring teams wherever he goes tells me he is a great attacking coach

He doesnt show great attacking organizations in his teams tho, there are several teams better organized than us in attack in la liga alone. The numbers of goals is not the only determinant. It's about how well you get your team to move the ball in the final third. I can easily argue that there are teams like Valencia, Malaga or Betis in la liga alone that show greater attacking organization then us.

Yea I agree.

Those teams take liberties though, time is on their side, we on the other hand need to be a bit more frugal in the way we do things for the most part to ensure some degree of success.

by Arquitecto Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:38 pm

Nameless wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
Nameless wrote:Hes tactics were a bit poor I agree, who cares tho he excells alot more than being a tactical genius....
You dont win games by being only tactical ffs.

Tactics, system, gameplan. All comes within the same package. Not to mention tactics is what wins you big games.

I saw none of the 3 mentioned.
So he had a poor game, just like every coach does. Dosent prove anything.
And please i saw the exact same error from Allegri when he was up against Barcelona in quarters, same shit, couldnt do anything "tactically".

The fact that you compared 2 different situations of a cosmic disparity pretty much means you haven't really thought this response through Laughing

by the xcx Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:39 pm

Arquitecto wrote:
Nameless wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
Nameless wrote:Hes tactics were a bit poor I agree, who cares tho he excells alot more than being a tactical genius....
You dont win games by being only tactical ffs.

Tactics, system, gameplan. All comes within the same package. Not to mention tactics is what wins you big games.

I saw none of the 3 mentioned.
So he had a poor game, just like every coach does. Dosent prove anything.
And please i saw the exact same error from Allegri when he was up against Barcelona in quarters, same shit, couldnt do anything "tactically".

The fact that you compared 2 different situations of a cosmic disparity pretty much means you haven't really thought this response through

Maybe I just cant take you seriously?...

by Onyx Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:40 pm

Yeh Mourinho was pretty much appointed for instant success.

by guest7 Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:40 pm

I honestly think you don't understand how management works

If you can't organize attacks, you can always hire an attacking coach for you. In this case we don't really need to, since Mourinho knows it (usually, a guy who knows how to defend attacks usually knows how to start attacks)

Let's quit the bullcrap and stop being so naive, ofc we look disorganized when Ronaldo goes missing and Özil too. They all are dependant on each other, especially Özil who's role is to orchestrate attacks in the final third

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