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Post by Luca Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:33 pm

----Quagliarella--Del Piero----
Elia-----------------------Krasic

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Post by anouarjuve Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:41 pm

why the facepalm ?
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:42 pm

Krasic didn't even make the bench last night. :facepalm:

Star players being reserves is madness.

One problem with this line up is the lack of Pepe. One of Krasic and Elia must make way.
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Post by Luca Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:45 pm

anouarjuve wrote:why the facepalm ?

Quagliarella- 11 minutes
Elia- 45 minutes
Krasic- 100ish minutes (?)
Del Piero- maybe 70ish minutes (?)

The second attack is quality is all I am saying and we haven't seen them...
I expect 1 of these players to leave in January and by next season I wouldn't be surprised if all of them were gone.

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Post by The_ItalianFool Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:46 pm

Good thing Krasic didnt make the bench.

I'd rather put Chiellini at RW then Krasic at RW with the way Krasic has been playing....
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Post by inderbaby Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:49 pm

Who cares about who is on the bench and who is playing when the team is playing well and winning :facepalm:

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Post by The_ItalianFool Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:53 pm

inderbaby wrote:Who cares about who is on the bench and who is playing when the team is playing well and winning :facepalm:

So true. Some fans here care more about Krasic and Elia than Juventus pale
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Post by Luca Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:01 pm

inderbaby wrote:Who cares about who is on the bench and who is playing when the team is playing well and winning :facepalm:

wait until January and say these words
use the same 11 players all season, all the top teams do that, oh wait
also why spend the money on these players?
Why was Quagliarella redeemed?
Krasic bought?
Elia bought?

You're right though, just about 40 million and their salaries to worry about- peanuts

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:02 pm

Nope, it's because they're meant to be the best wingers. They were both big signings. Krasic last year and Elia this year. Both will leave as well as Quagliarella next summer if they're not used.

Then when injuries come, Juventus will look similar to last years.



Not to mention they're better. And you can't even say Elia or Quag are in poor form, they're simply not used.
We need quality and quality in depth to compete in Europe. We won't have it if our big names are swept aside to the bench.


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Post by Luca Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:04 pm

TomJuve wrote:Nope, it's because they're meant to be the best wingers. They were both big signings. Krasic last year and Elia this year. Both will leave as well as Quagliarella next summer if they're not used.

Then when injuries come, Juventus will look similar to last years.


Maybe not even injuries, just players being burnt out

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Post by The_ItalianFool Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:10 pm

Do you guys not remember what has happened the past 2 seasons in January???

We were burnt out, and need inspiration. Now, we have Elia, Krasic, and Quag who can all enter the team and give us the spark and energy we need to keep going in the second half of the season....

What Conte is doing thus far is nothing short of genius. Winning with our bench while preparing our best team for when we need them most.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:14 pm

The_ItalianFool wrote:Do you guys not remember what has happened the past 2 seasons in January???

We were burnt out, and need inspiration. Now, we have Elia, Krasic, and Quag who can all enter the team and give us the spark and energy we need to keep going in the second half of the season....

What Conte is doing thus far is nothing short of genius. Winning with our bench while preparing our best team for when we need them most.

Don't get me wrong it will be great if it works.

But if January comes and they decide they've been under used and opt to join another club we're left panic buying and over-paying for players.
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Post by Luca Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:17 pm

The_ItalianFool wrote:Do you guys not remember what has happened the past 2 seasons in January???

We were burnt out, and need inspiration. Now, we have Elia, Krasic, and Quag who can all enter the team and give us the spark and energy we need to keep going in the second half of the season....

What Conte is doing thus far is nothing short of genius. Winning with our bench while preparing our best team for when we need them most.

Yeah thats not how it works but its a nice thought
my idea would be to be rotating them all now, its fine that he has a preferred starting 11 for Milan, Inter, Napoli etc.
but when these players I mentioned cannot get minutes against Fiorentina, Chievo or Bologna (with all due respect to those teams) its a problem.

not to mention you guys are taking this the wrong way, it has nothing to do with Juventus' results, performances or anything like that. Just the fact that these players are still a part of the team and to me, at least, they have something still to give to Juventus.

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Post by The_ItalianFool Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:19 pm

TomJuve wrote:
The_ItalianFool wrote:Do you guys not remember what has happened the past 2 seasons in January???

We were burnt out, and need inspiration. Now, we have Elia, Krasic, and Quag who can all enter the team and give us the spark and energy we need to keep going in the second half of the season....

What Conte is doing thus far is nothing short of genius. Winning with our bench while preparing our best team for when we need them most.

Don't get me wrong it will be great if it works.

But if January comes and they decide they've been under used and opt to join another club we're left panic buying and over-paying for players.

99% chance Elia and Quag stay. Elia had an interview the other week saying its like a dream come true, he just doesnt know italian yet.

If Krasic leaves, its only because he is in bad form and we received a good offer. But I really dont think anyone will be leaving. We need a quality bench, every top team has good players on the bench. The players know that, and that they have to fight and deserve their spot.
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Post by Luca Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:20 pm

A quality bench that isn't used is not a quality bench, its just 'big' names collecting dust.

Krasic seems the most likely to leave

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Post by The_ItalianFool Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:22 pm

Luca wrote:
The_ItalianFool wrote:Do you guys not remember what has happened the past 2 seasons in January???

We were burnt out, and need inspiration. Now, we have Elia, Krasic, and Quag who can all enter the team and give us the spark and energy we need to keep going in the second half of the season....

What Conte is doing thus far is nothing short of genius. Winning with our bench while preparing our best team for when we need them most.

Yeah thats not how it works but its a nice thought
my idea would be to be rotating them all now, its fine that he has a preferred starting 11 for Milan, Inter, Napoli etc.
but when these players I mentioned cannot get minutes against Fiorentina, Chievo or Bologna (with all due respect to those teams) its a problem.

not to mention you guys are taking this the wrong way, it has nothing to do with Juventus' results, performances or anything like that. Just the fact that these players are still a part of the team and to me, at least, they have something still to give to Juventus.

Thats not how it works??? What do you mean...?

It is not a problem if we are winning.

And of course these guys have something to offer!!!!!! Thats why Conte is preparing on them and is counting on them to give their effort once we begin to fall off. We have such a good streak going(if you didnt know, we are undefeated) that it would be madness to try any drastic changes.

Ever hear the say "dont fix it if it aint broke" ?



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Post by The_ItalianFool Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:23 pm

Luca wrote:A quality bench that isn't used is not a quality bench, its just 'big' names collecting dust.

Krasic seems the most likely to leave

Collecting dust? Lmao, you must think Conte and Juve are fcking idiots or something.

they are not saying "you know what, screw elia krasic and quag, lets just play with these guys."

They are saying "You know what, the team we have been fielding is undefeated, plus, Krasic, Elia and Krasic are out of form. Lets keep winning and keep training these players at the same time."
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Post by Luca Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:27 pm

sorry, thats the gloryhunters ideology
use Pepe and Vucinic until Juventus drop important points and then change
wait thats already happened, draw Chievo- play one striker, draw Genoa, draw Bologna, draw Catania...

ever hear the saying "there is always room for improvement"
“Without change there is no innovation, creativity, or incentive for improvement. Those who initiate change will have a better opportunity to manage the change that is inevitable.”

what I mean is you can't sit these players on the bench until January and then say, hey, we need you now.
Drastic changes? yawn, its like talking to wall, stop being so damn close minded why don't you- this is not about results....

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Post by inderbaby Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:31 pm

Lol...so just coz they are big names they should play? If they don't train hard then they don't play...clearly the players selected deserve to play coz we are winning and playing well!

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Post by Luca Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:35 pm

:facepalm:

I am sincerely happy Juventus is undefeated, if they would have been defeated I could definitely see a large population of people crying for these players.

Enjoy living on the clouds guys, stupid idea for me to make this topic and think any sort of intelligent conversation would come of it.

"were undefeated don't change anything, wait for us to lose"
"wait until the players burn out and become useless before changing the line up"
"drastic changes"

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Post by inderbaby Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:39 pm

Lol cry all you want bro...why repair something that isn't broken? Why change a winning formula? Madness!

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:41 pm

inderbaby wrote:Lol cry all you want bro...why repair something that isn't broken? Why change a winning formula? Madness!





Couldn't pass up the opportunity. smoking
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Post by The_ItalianFool Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:06 pm

No intelligent discussions? keep going with me brah...

Luca wrote:sorry, thats the gloryhunters ideology
use Pepe and Vucinic until Juventus drop important points and then change
wait thats already happened, draw Chievo- play one striker, draw Genoa, draw Bologna, draw Catania...

ever hear the saying "there is always room for improvement"
“Without change there is no innovation, creativity, or incentive for improvement. Those who initiate change will have a better opportunity to manage the change that is inevitable.”

what I mean is you can't sit these players on the bench until January and then say, hey, we need you now.
Drastic changes? yawn, its like talking to wall, stop being so damn close minded why don't you- this is not about results....

You're acting like Conte is a manager who doesnt like change. This guy is one of the most versatile coaches Juventus has had in awhile. Although he hasnt done this the past 2 games, he is a manager who almost always uses all of his subs every game. He changes formation every game, and is trying to integrate new players into a system which is still in development.

Lict fit in well because his role as just about always the same, and he is comfortable and sucessful in Serie A. That's why he is started. Same goes for Pirlo and could be said of Giac(although he has made a bigger step up in team quality than the others).

Krasic has been out of form for about 6 months, this is why Conte isnt starting him every game. He tried to give him so rest, give him minutes to show he is getting better and deserves to play. Unfortunately, he hasnt performed. Therefore, in order to keep our undefeateded run, and first place in Serie A, it is more beneficial to play other players who are in better form(Pepe, Marchisio.)

Elia is in a new team(new coach, new players, new country), a harder and more defensive league, and is in a country which he knows nothing about the national language (unlike Vidal and Esti who speak spanish, which is very similar to Italian).

Quag had one of the worst injuries in his career and hasnt made his comeback yet because, as Conte said, he hasnt shown his best in training... enough said. Same goes for Iaquinta.

Krasic hasnt gotten in as soon as Conte expected, so now he has been integrating Esti instead.

And you are wrong. This is about results. That is what the mission is, not to play certain people. If you seriously think Conte, and the entire Juventus corporation, are stupid enough to just leave 3 of their best players on the bench without trying to fix it, you are mislead bro. Of course they want them to play! They obviously are working on integrating them into the squad, and have a plan for each of them to get back into the line up comfortably. Rushing it will only increase risk.

I honestly can't understand how you think Conte is making bad decisions when in ernest he is protecting and developing his players, on top of being first in the league and undefeated.
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Post by Luca Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:15 pm

I never said Conte was making bad decisions but there definitely has been spots for these players to get some minutes.
He isn't perfect by any means, it is still a learning experience but he is doing very well.

And no, you took this the wrong way, this is not about results, this is simply about these players, that is all.

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Post by LWL91 Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:55 pm

Elia is in a new team(new coach, new players, new country), a harder and more defensive league, and is in a country which he knows nothing about the national language (unlike Vidal and Esti who speak spanish, which is very similar to Italian)

AND when he moved from Twente to HSV he moved to a Germany - from Holland. Culture, playing style and language are fairly similar. Juve is a step in a whole different direction for him! The "boy" is only 24 and some players just need time to adapt - moving this far away from home is a big step for him. Esti already made the move when he was in Le Mans, France..

And besides his personal life i don't think Elia is the kind of player who gives himself 100% in training. In Barcelona training is relative and the players are count for their match-performances rather then the mentality you show in training. But that is only once you reach the first team - in the youth sector you must show you uttermost and give that to the team in matches.. Fielding a player like Elia who doesn't show much in training (compared to Pepe or Esti who seems to me as hard-workers) and adding the fact that Elia just arrived on a relatively big transfer sum does not justifies a call up in Conte's opinion.. (i'm just assuming this as i have no idea what really figures in his head ofc.)

Elia will get his chances, but to play at the moment you need to show a huge effort in training and that is for everyone except Pirlo, ADP and Buffon...
How would our youth players ever get the chance if it wasn't for a huge effort in training otherwise? smoking
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