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Post by danyjr on January 25th 2020, 17:57

@Doc wrote:Instead of chess, probably needed to get his team more focus against Valencia.

FourFourTwo wrote:The experienced manager is a big admirer of chess and is understood to have played against former world champions Anatoli Karpov and Garry Kasparov, although the results of these meetings have not been disclosed. The strategic style of chess can be linked to football and this is a view shared by Setien, who has long been a fan of the board game.
You can't make this stuff up rofl

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Post by The Demon of Carthage on January 25th 2020, 18:11

...is understood to have played against former world champions Anatoli Karpov and Garry Kasparov, although the results of these meetings have not been disclosed.
I'm guessing he got tombstoned...in both meetings.
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But he stayed at the table after his opponents left just to touch the chess pieces more, thereby having more possession.

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Post by Kaladin on January 25th 2020, 18:12

Is every obscure manager touted as a lowkey intellectual these days? Swear to god you could bring some guy named Yori Wankjoff from Bundesliga 4 and you'll hear about how he enjoys reading the Count of Monte Cristo or some shit

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Post by futbol on January 25th 2020, 18:59

I am SO shocked.

lol

3 games:

Struggling against Granada at home until they get a player sent off.

Raped by Ibiza.

Raped by Valencia.

Valverde, Suarez OUT!

Oh, wait.

"But but, futbol is just a contrarian for the sake of it." Laughing

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Post by Mamad on January 25th 2020, 19:03

Well that went well lol.

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Post by alexjanosik on January 25th 2020, 19:20

@futbol wrote:I am SO shocked.

lol

3 games:

Struggling against Granada at home until they get a player sent off.

Raped by Ibiza.

Raped by Valencia.

Valverde, Suarez OUT!

Oh, wait.

"But but, futbol is just a contrarian for the sake of it." Laughing


Valverde was a pragmatist. He understood that he cant play Cruyff football with Messi. So he played 4-4-2 and Suarez made it work.
Setien comes in thinking he can start playing Cruyff ball with Messi and that too with Suarez out.
Messi is the antithesis of the Cruyff game. Cant play our game with him. So the team is better off with a pragmatist like Valverde.

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Post by Doc on January 25th 2020, 19:25

@futbol wrote:I am SO shocked.

lol

3 games:

Struggling against Granada at home until they get a player sent off.

Raped by Ibiza.

Raped by Valencia.

Valverde, Suarez OUT!

Oh, wait.

"But but, futbol is just a contrarian for the sake of it." Laughing

Barcaforum got their wish and I can't be any more happier about it (:

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Post by futbol on January 25th 2020, 19:30

@alexjanosik wrote:
@futbol wrote:I am SO shocked.

lol

3 games:

Struggling against Granada at home until they get a player sent off.

Raped by Ibiza.

Raped by Valencia.

Valverde, Suarez OUT!

Oh, wait.

"But but, futbol is just a contrarian for the sake of it." Laughing


Valverde was a pragmatist. He understood that he cant play Cruyff football with Messi. So he played 4-4-2 and Suarez made it work.
Setien comes in thinking he can start playing Cruyff ball with Messi and that too with Suarez out.
Messi is the antithesis of the Cruyff game. Cant play our game with him. So the team is better off with a pragmatist like Valverde.


I would even go as far as to say this style can't be pulled off with Arthur and De Jong. They are good at keeping the ball but on top of that what made it work was Iniesta and Xavi could distribute final balls like candy. With Iniesta being an all time great dribbler on top of it. With Alves being able to dish out 20 assists as well like an elite attacking midfielder. Just being good under pressure is not enough to play that way when you only distribute the ball from side to side.

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Post by alexjanosik on January 25th 2020, 19:42

@futbol wrote:
@alexjanosik wrote:
@futbol wrote:I am SO shocked.

lol

3 games:

Struggling against Granada at home until they get a player sent off.

Raped by Ibiza.

Raped by Valencia.

Valverde, Suarez OUT!

Oh, wait.

"But but, futbol is just a contrarian for the sake of it." Laughing


Valverde was a pragmatist. He understood that he cant play Cruyff football with Messi. So he played 4-4-2 and Suarez made it work.
Setien comes in thinking he can start playing Cruyff ball with Messi and that too with Suarez out.
Messi is the antithesis of the Cruyff game. Cant play our game with him. So the team is better off with a pragmatist like Valverde.


I would even go as far as to say this style can't be pulled off with Arthur and De Jong. They are good at keeping the ball but on top of that what made it work was Iniesta and Xavi could distribute final balls like candy. With Iniesta being an all time great dribbler on top of it. With Alves being able to dish out 20 assists as well like an elite attacking midfielder. Just being good under pressure is not enough to play that way when you only distribute the ball from side to side.


We have had this discussion before and I maintain that Messi is the only obstacle to us being able to play the Cruyff way. How many assists did Xavi have once Messi moved central and basically stopped moving off the ball altogether in 2012. Not a lot. Arthur and FDJ might not be Xavi and Iniesta but they are the two best midfield prospects in the world. FDJ is a great dribbler and can break the lines with his dribbling. He is not Iniesta level but then the Don was a GOAT dribbler from midfield.

Passing, FDJ is a wonderful passer and Arthur has shown that he can play the final pass. He dwells on the ball a bit too much but that is only partly his fault. What the hell is he supposed to do when Messi is standing there 5 yards from him and Suarez is surrounded by 4 players.

Compare Pep's City. Who do they have in midfield? De Bruyne. He is not a better dribbler than FDJ. Gundogan. Again not a better dribbler. It works because City have outstanding movement. You think the one trick pony De Bruyne's cross from the overlap will work at Barca with Messi. Hell no!

FDJ and Arthur are not the problem. Messi is. Get him the hell out and we can go back to playing the Cruyff way.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on January 25th 2020, 19:47

Imagine calling Messi the problem of barca after all he did for them and continues to do for them. Not the shambolic recruiting, or the directors at the club Laughing

Barca fans Laughing all that text to end with such a shit conclusion. The cryuff way Laughing you lots are deluded


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Post by Hapless_Hans on January 25th 2020, 19:48

Gündogan is a better midfielder than De Jong and Arthur put together can ever aspire to be

As for De Bruyne and "one trick"- the less said the better

Rest assured, you will have Coutinho back in summer and then you can celebrate his dribbling again which you deem so important

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Post by alexjanosik on January 25th 2020, 19:51

@Mr Nick09 wrote:Imagine calling Messi the problem of barca after all he did you them and continues to do for them. Not the shambolic recruiting, or the directors at the club Laughing

Barca fans lol: all that text to end with such a shit conclusion. The cryuff way Laughing you lots are deluded


It is an opinion. No need to call it shit.
And yes, unlike your team which does not have an identity, we identify with the Cruyff way of playing the game. And I will call out any player who stops us from playing the Cruyff way. Thank you and please learn to respect opinions.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on January 25th 2020, 19:53

Your opinion on this topic is shit Alex, and god knows you have had better arguments in the past.

There are a lot of issues with barca, and none starts with Messi.

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Post by alexjanosik on January 25th 2020, 19:53

@Hapless_Hans wrote:Gündogan is a better midfielder than De Jong and Arthur put together can ever aspire to be

As for De Bruyne and "one trick"- the less said the better

Rest assured, you will have Coutinho back in summer and then you can celebrate his dribbling again which you deem so important


Maybe one trick was an exaggeration but look at all his assists. Either he overlaps into space or Mahrez does creating space on the right hand side. De Bruyne whips it in for Aguero or Jesus to score. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.
Gundogan has definitely had the better career but we were talking about dribbling.

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Post by alexjanosik on January 25th 2020, 19:56

@Mr Nick09 wrote:Your opinion on this topic is shit Alex, and god knows you have had better arguments in the past.

There are a lot of issues with barca, and none starts with Messi.


I said he was an issue with us playing the Cruyff way. Nothing to do with winning which we have won quite a lot with him. There is a difference.

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Post by Kebab on January 25th 2020, 20:04

It was not Cryuff football which made Pep's barca great. It was great understanding between 9 la masia players who played together more than 10 years. It comes once in a lifetime.Stop dreaming about that team every day and call it Cryuff football

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Post by Hapless_Hans on January 25th 2020, 20:07

@alexjanosik wrote:
@Mr Nick09 wrote:Your opinion on this topic is shit Alex, and god knows you have had better arguments in the past.

There are a lot of issues with barca, and none starts with Messi.


I said he was an issue with us playing the Cruyff way. Nothing to do with winning which we have won quite a lot with him. There is a difference.


That is true.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on January 25th 2020, 20:20

I don't accept that as an argument because playing the cryuff way means different things to different people

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Post by El Gunner on January 25th 2020, 20:31

@Kaladin wrote:Is every obscure manager touted as a lowkey intellectual these days? Swear to god you could bring some guy named Yori Wankjoff from Bundesliga 4 and you'll hear about how he enjoys reading the Count of Monte Cristo or some shit


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Post by Hapless_Hans on January 25th 2020, 20:32

there is no Bundesliga 4

but if there were, Yori Wankjoff would be running away with it

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Post by Doc on January 25th 2020, 21:29

@Hapless_Hans wrote:there is no Bundesliga 4

but if there were, Yori Wankjoff would be running away with it

I always forget you are awesome. Still kindly hush though.

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Post by Myesyats on January 25th 2020, 21:54

So tired of this board, clueless bunch

I was trying so hard to be optimistic but can't be bothered anymore
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Post by farfan on January 26th 2020, 08:27

@alexjanosik wrote:
@futbol wrote:
@alexjanosik wrote:


Valverde was a pragmatist. He understood that he cant play Cruyff football with Messi. So he played 4-4-2 and Suarez made it work.
Setien comes in thinking he can start playing Cruyff ball with Messi and that too with Suarez out.
Messi is the antithesis of the Cruyff game. Cant play our game with him. So the team is better off with a pragmatist like Valverde.


I would even go as far as to say this style can't be pulled off with Arthur and De Jong. They are good at keeping the ball but on top of that what made it work was Iniesta and Xavi could distribute final balls like candy. With Iniesta being an all time great dribbler on top of it. With Alves being able to dish out 20 assists as well like an elite attacking midfielder. Just being good under pressure is not enough to play that way when you only distribute the ball from side to side.


Compare Pep's City. Who do they have in midfield? De Bruyne. He is not a better dribbler than FDJ. Gundogan. Again not a better dribbler. It works because City have outstanding movement. You think the one trick pony De Bruyne's cross from the overlap will work at Barca with Messi. Hell no!



Did you just leave out the Silvas because it would go against your argument? Laughing Bernardo is a phenomenal dribbler.
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Post by Mamad on January 26th 2020, 12:04

You can play the Cruyf way but you will never reach the level you had with Xavi, Iniesta and Messi.

That Barca team was a goat team first because of the talent. then the way they played.

you think if you remove Messi and play the Cruyf way you will have better results? no way. you lack the talent for what you expect.

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Post by urbaNRoots on January 26th 2020, 12:14

When was the last time Barca appointed someone who actually had a history of success in first team football and the arguments for him didn't rely on "tiki taka football", "Barca DNA" and other arbritary stuff?
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