Eden Hazard believes he can score 60 goals a season

Sushi Master wrote:Again with the Müller underrating

I guess people will never prefer pure efficiency and intelligence to flashy shit with no end product.

Müller has clearly reached his ceiling at 23 frakking years old .

The ironic thing is that if Müller came out with what Hazard was saying, he's one of the few players that I'd take seriously. If he brushes up his finishing a bit, he has all the skills to be a legendary poacher.

Please, we all know Hazard is talented, but he's no where as proven as Müller.

Müller plays in a stacked club. :lol:So Chelsea is shit all of a sudden and ain't stacked? Well, that's a surprise.

Tell us how Muller can improve his game then?

It's clear he's a great player but it's equally as clear he plays efficient and to the best of his ability, there is no sign he can all of a sudden add anything extra to his game or all of sudden become anything but a great poacher. Nobody has took a dig at the guy or said he's not a great player, to put it simple Hazard has the ability to be a world player of the year whilst Muller will always be a cog in a wheel.

The Devil wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:Again with the Müller underrating

I guess people will never prefer pure efficiency and intelligence to flashy shit with no end product.

Müller has clearly reached his ceiling at 23 frakking years old .

The ironic thing is that if Müller came out with what Hazard was saying, he's one of the few players that I'd take seriously. If he brushes up his finishing a bit, he has all the skills to be a legendary poacher.

Please, we all know Hazard is talented, but he's no where as proven as Müller.

Müller plays in a stacked club. :lol:So Chelsea is shit all of a sudden and ain't stacked? Well, that's a surprise.

Tell us how Muller can improve his game then?

It's clear he's a great player but it's equally as clear he plays efficient and to the best of his ability, there is no sign he can all of a sudden add anything extra to his game or all of sudden become anything but a great poacher. Nobody has took a dig at the guy or said he's not a great player, to put it simple Hazard has the ability to be a world player of the year whilst Muller will always be a cog in a wheel.

Then explain how hazard can improve..

The Devil wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:Again with the Müller underrating

I guess people will never prefer pure efficiency and intelligence to flashy shit with no end product.

Müller has clearly reached his ceiling at 23 frakking years old .

The ironic thing is that if Müller came out with what Hazard was saying, he's one of the few players that I'd take seriously. If he brushes up his finishing a bit, he has all the skills to be a legendary poacher.

Please, we all know Hazard is talented, but he's no where as proven as Müller.

Müller plays in a stacked club. :lol:So Chelsea is shit all of a sudden and ain't stacked? Well, that's a surprise.

Tell us how Muller can improve his game then?

It's clear he's a great player but it's equally as clear he plays efficient and to the best of his ability, there is no sign he can all of a sudden add anything extra to his game or all of sudden become anything but a great poacher. Nobody has took a dig at the guy or said he's not a great player, to put it simple Hazard has the ability to be a world player of the year whilst Muller will always be a cog in a wheel.

Cog in a wheel? . You obviously have no idea how rare it is for someone of Müller's age to be so damn smart and efficient. He has a champion's mentality.

He's only 23... He can improve pretty much anything. I'm not saying he'll become a dribble master or a playmaker, but if he can improve what he does, which sounds extremely simple but isn't, he'll still be an extremely good player. World class in my eyes, but most people are blind if you don't play pretty nowadays.

Muller will be a forgotten player real soon and his place for both club and country is under threat.



Gulf in class.

Giggity5313 wrote:

The Devil wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:Again with the Müller underrating

I guess people will never prefer pure efficiency and intelligence to flashy shit with no end product.

Müller has clearly reached his ceiling at 23 frakking years old .

The ironic thing is that if Müller came out with what Hazard was saying, he's one of the few players that I'd take seriously. If he brushes up his finishing a bit, he has all the skills to be a legendary poacher.

Please, we all know Hazard is talented, but he's no where as proven as Müller.

Müller plays in a stacked club. :lol:So Chelsea is shit all of a sudden and ain't stacked? Well, that's a surprise.

Tell us how Muller can improve his game then?

It's clear he's a great player but it's equally as clear he plays efficient and to the best of his ability, there is no sign he can all of a sudden add anything extra to his game or all of sudden become anything but a great poacher. Nobody has took a dig at the guy or said he's not a great player, to put it simple Hazard has the ability to be a world player of the year whilst Muller will always be a cog in a wheel.

Then explain how hazard can improve..

Do I really need to explain how a player with the skill and vision of Hazard can improve, we're talking about maturity, making the correct choice of pass, knowing when it's best to use his skill or to keep it simple. Basically growing as a player and becoming more rounded as a team player. At the moment he's doing what a lot of young players with his kind of ability does and that's make mistakes, but then again he's not grown with his current team mates in the same way a Muller has or a Barca player has.

Sushi Master wrote:

The Devil wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:Again with the Müller underrating

I guess people will never prefer pure efficiency and intelligence to flashy shit with no end product.

Müller has clearly reached his ceiling at 23 frakking years old .

The ironic thing is that if Müller came out with what Hazard was saying, he's one of the few players that I'd take seriously. If he brushes up his finishing a bit, he has all the skills to be a legendary poacher.

Please, we all know Hazard is talented, but he's no where as proven as Müller.

Müller plays in a stacked club. :lol:So Chelsea is shit all of a sudden and ain't stacked? Well, that's a surprise.

Tell us how Muller can improve his game then?

It's clear he's a great player but it's equally as clear he plays efficient and to the best of his ability, there is no sign he can all of a sudden add anything extra to his game or all of sudden become anything but a great poacher. Nobody has took a dig at the guy or said he's not a great player, to put it simple Hazard has the ability to be a world player of the year whilst Muller will always be a cog in a wheel.

Cog in a wheel? . You obviously have no idea how rare it is for someone of Müller's age to be so damn smart and efficient. He has a champion's mentality.

He's only 23... He can improve pretty much anything. I'm not saying he'll become a dribble master or a playmaker, but if he can improve what he does, which sounds extremely simple but isn't, he'll still be an extremely good player. World class in my eyes, but most people are blind if you don't play pretty nowadays.

Mate I'm 31 years old and I've been watching a club that's been winning none stop for the last 20 years so I've seen my fair share of players like Muller and I've seen my fair share of talents and game changers like Hazard, I understand you're going to stand up for Muller but as I said, he isn't ever going to be seen as a WPOTY, whilst Hazard is clearly talented enough to be pushing that level.

Muller can improve way more aspects.. hes athletic but he can improve his strength for one

His close control can be improved as well as finishing..

tricks dont make a good player ffs..

Giggity5313 wrote:Muller can improve way more aspects.. hes athletic but he can improve his strength for one

His close control can be improved as well as finishing..

tricks dont make a good player ffs..

Who said anything tricks?

Take it easy mate no need to get yourself angry about a situation, I wouldn't expect a 17 year old to fully get it anyway.

Hazard will mature and learn to control games with his vision and ability on the ball, tricks don't come into it at all so don't get angry with me.

lolwut

Muller is right up there next to Gotze and Reus as the most talented Germans of this generation, who are among the most talented young players in the world right now.

Muller >>> Hazard as of right now. Easily. I'd take Muller in my team over Hazard any day.

The Devil wrote:

Giggity5313 wrote:Muller can improve way more aspects.. hes athletic but he can improve his strength for one

His close control can be improved as well as finishing..

tricks dont make a good player ffs..

Who said anything tricks?

Take it easy mate no need to get yourself angry about a situation, I wouldn't expect a 17 year old to fully get it anyway.

Hazard will mature and learn to control games with his vision and ability on the ball, tricks don't come into it at all so don't get angry with me.

Who said I was angry, I simply don't agree with you. The 17 year old jab was unnecessary as well. If anything you're the mad one for being proven wrong.

Also, muller has just as much ability on the ball and has proven much more then hazard has. Tell me when hazard benches a player of robbens quality or scores vital goals in the CL..

CBarca wrote:lolwut

Muller is right up there next to Gotze and Reus as the most talented Germans of this generation, who are among the most talented young players in the world right now.

Muller >>> Hazard as of right now. Easily. I'd take Muller in my team over Hazard any day.

I think you're doing Hazard a major injustice, lolwut you think about that!

All great players end it with that but I think (which is my opinion) Hazard has the higher ceiling of talent over Muller, you think otherwise, it's about opinions and that's that.

Hazards highlight of the season was hitting a ball boy. lol

Giggity5313 wrote:

The Devil wrote:

Giggity5313 wrote:Muller can improve way more aspects.. hes athletic but he can improve his strength for one

His close control can be improved as well as finishing..

tricks dont make a good player ffs..

Who said anything tricks?

Take it easy mate no need to get yourself angry about a situation, I wouldn't expect a 17 year old to fully get it anyway.

Hazard will mature and learn to control games with his vision and ability on the ball, tricks don't come into it at all so don't get angry with me.

Who said I was angry, I simply don't agree with you. The 17 year old jab was unnecessary as well. If anything you're the mad one for being proven wrong.

Also, muller has just as much ability on the ball and has proven much more then hazard has. Tell me when hazard benches a player of robbens quality or scores vital goals in the CL..

The "ffs" would suggest you were getting frustrated and annoyed with my opinion, I'm not mad at all just suggesting at 17 years of age you maybe will see things a little different as you get older.

Look as I said in my post above it's about opinions and you've got your's and I've got mine, fair play.

The Devil wrote:Mate I'm 31 years old and I've been watching a club that's been winning none stop for the last 20 years so I've seen my fair share of players like Muller and I've seen my fair share of talents and game changers like Hazard, I understand you're going to stand up for Muller but as I said, he isn't ever going to be seen as a WPOTY, whilst Hazard is clearly talented enough to be pushing that level.

Name me some of those players. Hazard hasn't done shit just yet on the big stage, so I'm reserving my judgement until he does. Müller on the other hand, is a CL winner and starter in on of the top international teams in the world.

Well, shit, being 31 means you can be a top talent scouter. Sorry about that, mate, I only wish you had shared that data before the discussion started.

CBarca wrote:lolwut

Muller is right up there next to Gotze and Reus as the most talented Germans of this generation, who are among the most talented young players in the world right now.

Muller >>> Hazard as of right now. Easily. I'd take Muller in my team over Hazard any day.

Yet Ozil is their best player every time he is on the pitch. (for the NT)

Sushi Master wrote:

The Devil wrote:Mate I'm 31 years old and I've been watching a club that's been winning none stop for the last 20 years so I've seen my fair share of players like Muller and I've seen my fair share of talents and game changers like Hazard, I understand you're going to stand up for Muller but as I said, he isn't ever going to be seen as a WPOTY, whilst Hazard is clearly talented enough to be pushing that level.

Name me some of those players. Hazard hasn't done shit just yet on the big stage, so I'm reserving my judgement until he does. Müller on the other hand, is a CL winner and starter in on of the top international teams in the world.

Well, shit, being 31 means you can be a top talent scouter. Sorry about that, mate, I only wish you had shared that data before the discussion started.

Haha! I work for United in my spare time, I wish.

Game changers, Ronaldo, Giggs and Cantona, not saying Hazard is any better or worse than any of these players but these players in their prime could do something out of nothing or find a special pass that could put the team ahead.

As far as Muller is concerned I say United had, Solskjear, Sheringham, Beckham and even Rooney, all capable of being brilliant players and scoring massively important goals but all replaceable and all add continuity to the flow of the team in the same way Muller does for Bayern. Again not saying any are better or worse.

The Devil wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:

The Devil wrote:Mate I'm 31 years old and I've been watching a club that's been winning none stop for the last 20 years so I've seen my fair share of players like Muller and I've seen my fair share of talents and game changers like Hazard, I understand you're going to stand up for Muller but as I said, he isn't ever going to be seen as a WPOTY, whilst Hazard is clearly talented enough to be pushing that level.

Name me some of those players. Hazard hasn't done shit just yet on the big stage, so I'm reserving my judgement until he does. Müller on the other hand, is a CL winner and starter in on of the top international teams in the world.

Well, shit, being 31 means you can be a top talent scouter. Sorry about that, mate, I only wish you had shared that data before the discussion started.

Haha! I work for United in my spare time, I wish.

Game changers, Ronaldo, Giggs and Cantona, not saying Hazard is any better or worse than any of these players but these players in their prime could do something out of nothing or find a special pass that could put the team ahead.

As far as Muller is concerned I say United had, Solskjear, Sheringham, Beckham and even Rooney, all capable of being brilliant players and scoring massively important goals but all replaceable and all add continuity to the flow of the team in the same way Muller does for Bayern. Again not saying any are better or worse.

How are we supposed to know Müller and Hazard will reach Giggs or Scholes or whatever legend levels? We simply don't know. The argument is that right now Müller is the better player and it's BS to assume that Hazard has more potential because he's more technical, while at the same time Müller can't also improve, already having showed us he's top class at a top team in top tournaments.

Müller at 23 years old is irreplacable for Bayern. He's benched Arjen Robben, ffs. He's broken into the team since being promoted from the academy and won his place fair and square. There are very few players like him, hence him being irreplacable. Be it at AM or RW, he's going to frakking start.

I could see Guardiola relegating Muller into an ineffective player.

Six pages and we got from this

"Eden Hazard believes he can score 60 goals a season."

to finally this

"I could see Guardiola relegating Muller into an ineffective player."

Muller won't be starting next season upon Gotze's arrival. Best player of all time will be a benchwarmer

Gil wrote:Muller won't be starting next season upon Gotze's arrival. Best player of all time will be a benchwarmer

Still has more World Cup Golden Boots

Berbatov wrote:

Gil wrote:Muller won't be starting next season upon Gotze's arrival. Best player of all time will be a benchwarmer

Still has more World Cup Golden Boots

Would have World Cup and Balon D'or if it wasn't for the ref in the Argentina game.

People are fooled by Hazards tricks. Muller just beats players his own way with his off the ball movements and lightning quick thinking and anticipation.

""Whenever I go somewhere and a little child asks me to show some tricks, I have to say: 'I don't know any tricks!

They always want to see some kind of wizardry, ball-juggling, turning around four times, that kind of thing. But this never was my speciality.

My game is based on efficiency. I'm not a player who is enjoyable to watch for 90 minutes.

I am more of a team player, a player who is important for the whole team and goes after the result. I do not play to put on a great show."

not sure what's this forum's obsession with Hazard .

is it because Gil hypes him up so much that you guys feel the need to put him down and be overly critical of his performances ?

he might not be anywhere near Messi and Ronaldo , but he's actually better than Ribery when he was the same age and him snatching the BO someday is very plausible .

i think its because everytime a player is playing decent in the prem he is elevated to top 3-5 status just because....

chad4401 wrote:i think its because everytime a player is playing decent in the prem he is elevated to top 3-5 status just because....

The way Hazard is playing is considered decent ?