Would you like to see the La Liga TV rights split up the same way as the EPL TV rights?

Answer the question.......(not a league vs league thread,but of course it's gonna turn into one)

Only if we get the same money (which won't happen because LFP is run by a moron and majority of clubs in Spain are run by bigger morons)

I wouldnt , La liga is winning CL ,they are also performing much better in Europa league than any league as well,so quality of teams is no different from other league's.Only thing we need is more title contenders and that is only possible if a city/chelsea like take over happen.

No, the bundesliga is a far better model than the EPL. Best run league in the world.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:No, the bundesliga is a far better model than the EPL. Best run league in the world.

BPL's TV revenue is distributed quite evenly.
100% of overseas rights and 50% of domestic rights are shared equally, only 25% of domestic rights are distributed according to facility fees (number of home matches broadcast) and another 25% based on merit (final league position). To me that's as good as Bundesliga's "everything evenly" model as I don't mind clubs getting a small reward for having a better season than those who finish below them.

La Liga should definately negotiate their TV deals collectively and move towards a more even system. The gap between BarcaMadrid and the rest is just way too big.

I want to see like a 60:40 split... 40 to madrid and Barca... 60 to the rest... or something like that....
Because let's get real... it's madrid and Baarca who bring the most viewers in... The 60 can be split depending on where each team finishes...
Something like that...

teamanarchy wrote:I want to see like a 60:40 split... 40 to madrid and Barca... 60 to the rest... or something like that....
Because let's get real... it's madrid and Baarca who bring the most viewers in... The 60 can be split depending on where each team finishes...
Something like that...

So Real and Barca get each a quarter of the cake the rest are in for the crums... yeah thats fair. ^^

Isn't this the deal right now? (well approximately anyway)

Adit wrote:I wouldnt , La liga is winning CL ,they are also performing much better in Europa league than any league as well,so quality of teams is no different from other league's.Only thing we need is more title contenders and that is only possible if a city/chelsea like take over happen.

Since when did "Leagues" started winning Champions league ?

ImAbackBone wrote:

teamanarchy wrote:I want to see like a 60:40 split... 40 to madrid and Barca... 60 to the rest... or something like that....
Because let's get real... it's madrid and Baarca who bring the most viewers in... The 60 can be split depending on where each team finishes...
Something like that...

So Real and Barca get each a quarter of the cake the rest are in for the crums... yeah thats fair. ^^

Isn't this the deal right now? (well approximately anyway)

Let's think about this realistically...
Without Real and Barca, how many of us would be watching the Spanish league week in, week out.
I mean, I wouldn't be that interested without them to be completely honest.
I take interest in Valencia, Atletico, Athletic, Villareal etc. only because of my loyalties to Spain and madrid in particular. Otherwise, I'd pay as much attention to Spain as I do to, say, any big team in France. And I'm not your average supporter either... I try to watch as much football as possible... But most fans care solely about their own team and that's about it. Some care even less than that.
Fact is, Madrid and Barca's fanbases are what is keeping the league alive.
If both clubs left, Spain would be rather weak, and it's Real and Barca who pull their weight in the league. The LFP is in shambles... It's Perez's idea for early kick offs that will bring additional revenue. Without the big 2s involvement, the league is not considered in the same bracket as EPL, Serie a, Bundesliga, etc.

teamanarchy wrote:Let's think about this realistically...
Without Real and Barca, how many of us would be watching the Spanish league week in, week out.
I mean, I wouldn't be that interested without them to be completely honest.

Could this mayhap be because the other teams simply don't have the money to get good players and compete? Imagine the poorer teams being able to buy better players and then being able to be really competitive - then more people would watch more matches that don't only involve Barca and Real, there would be more advertising money and everything and the whole league would get strengthened.

Yes I would, anything to make the league a little more competitive.

rwo power wrote:
Could this mayhap be because the other teams simply don't have the money to get good players and compete? Imagine the poorer teams being able to buy better players and then being able to be really competitive - then more people would watch more matches that don't only involve Barca and Real, there would be more advertising money and everything and the whole league would get strengthened.

Thx rwo I was about to point out exactly that.

rwo power wrote:

teamanarchy wrote:Let's think about this realistically...
Without Real and Barca, how many of us would be watching the Spanish league week in, week out.
I mean, I wouldn't be that interested without them to be completely honest.

Could this mayhap be because the other teams simply don't have the money to get good players and compete? Imagine the poorer teams being able to buy better players and then being able to be really competitive - then more people would watch more matches that don't only involve Barca and Real, there would be more advertising money and everything and the whole league would get strengthened.

That's because Real and Barca EARNED their way into positions that they could demand that kind of income.
Look, I'd like to see the league with more competitiveness etc. But Real were the first team not only in Spain, but in Europe to really start investing! In the 40s, they were the first team to build a mega stadium, to buy amazing players for large sums of money... And they started to get that money back. This put them 5 steps ahead of everyone else and they started to dominate. They should be rewarded for their innovation, and now 50 years on, they are being rewarded.
You can't hate the Rockefellers for taking a business opportunity in the 1800s. And now they're the richest family in the world, while there are millions starving... Should they be forced to share they're wealth, some of which they could actually do without?
NO. Charity is important, but it cannot be made law.

Or are you communist? Because then I can never agree with you. Poverty, and the fortune of others is just the way the world works and we must learn to accept this. That is my view

teamanarchy wrote:
Let's think about this realistically...
Without Real and Barca, how many of us would be watching the Spanish league week in, week out.

Because Real and Barca are so much ahead of the rest, I don't watch La Liga week in, week out.

What's the German model again?

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:What's the German model again?

Heidi Klum, I think..

I think that LFP should throw out most of its incompetent people and start running it well, helping the clubs to invest, and market the league better. Like that, they can get more TV revenue. As for how to split it, a 50-50 split is good, with half of it being divided evenly with all 20 clubs, and the other 50 in prize money depending on where the clubs finish. Like that, Real, Barca, Valencia etc will still get more money than the others, but only a bit more. And they deserve it. Incentive also comes into it. That would be a good model.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:No, the bundesliga is a far better model than the EPL. Best run league in the world.

No major debt to be had here, guys. Málaga wouldn't fly under this model, though.

The way you do it is that you set milestones that the LFP needs to reach in terms of monies when it strikes a deal for the games... it creates a guaranteed minimum for Madrid and Barca basically and motivates the LFP to do a good job lol.

You also need to include a clause that forces all clubs to invest 50-60% of its revenue on players... or something like that. If they don't, the collective deal voids or they need to pay penalties.

It's honestly best for the league and both Madrid and Barca need to cope with making between 80-100 million a year until La Liga increases its commercial value to TV as a whole. Long term, Madrid and Barca will make a lot more money than now because they will have the strength of the La Liga brand to add to their own brands. Smaller piece, bigger pie thing.

It's worth noticing that even if Barca and Madrid do negotiate a deal where they keep exactly the same amount of money they have right now, the other teams will still see their income go up huge amounts. Here's why: collective bargaining. Right now La Liga makes about 500M a year on total revenue from TV rights, through collective bargaining they could increase that to 700-800M (the EPL makes around 850, so this seems like a nice benchmark to aim for), which means that if Barca and Real's revenue of 140M per year doesn't change, just through that increase those teams would be making twice the amount of money they are now.

teamanarchy wrote:

rwo power wrote:

teamanarchy wrote:Let's think about this realistically...
Without Real and Barca, how many of us would be watching the Spanish league week in, week out.
I mean, I wouldn't be that interested without them to be completely honest.

Could this mayhap be because the other teams simply don't have the money to get good players and compete? Imagine the poorer teams being able to buy better players and then being able to be really competitive - then more people would watch more matches that don't only involve Barca and Real, there would be more advertising money and everything and the whole league would get strengthened.

That's because Real and Barca EARNED their way into positions that they could demand that kind of income.
Look, I'd like to see the league with more competitiveness etc. But Real were the first team not only in Spain, but in Europe to really start investing! In the 40s, they were the first team to build a mega stadium, to buy amazing players for large sums of money... And they started to get that money back. This put them 5 steps ahead of everyone else and they started to dominate. They should be rewarded for their innovation, and now 50 years on, they are being rewarded.
You can't hate the Rockefellers for taking a business opportunity in the 1800s. And now they're the richest family in the world, while there are millions starving... Should they be forced to share they're wealth, some of which they could actually do without?
NO. Charity is important, but it cannot be made law.

Or are you communist? Because then I can never agree with you. Poverty, and the fortune of others is just the way the world works and we must learn to accept this. That is my view

Veil of ignorance.
If you didn't know which club you were going to be, wouldn't you prefer the finances to be split evenly?

beatrixasdfghjk. wrote:

teamanarchy wrote:

rwo power wrote:

teamanarchy wrote:Let's think about this realistically...
Without Real and Barca, how many of us would be watching the Spanish league week in, week out.
I mean, I wouldn't be that interested without them to be completely honest.

Could this mayhap be because the other teams simply don't have the money to get good players and compete? Imagine the poorer teams being able to buy better players and then being able to be really competitive - then more people would watch more matches that don't only involve Barca and Real, there would be more advertising money and everything and the whole league would get strengthened.

That's because Real and Barca EARNED their way into positions that they could demand that kind of income.
Look, I'd like to see the league with more competitiveness etc. But Real were the first team not only in Spain, but in Europe to really start investing! In the 40s, they were the first team to build a mega stadium, to buy amazing players for large sums of money... And they started to get that money back. This put them 5 steps ahead of everyone else and they started to dominate. They should be rewarded for their innovation, and now 50 years on, they are being rewarded.
You can't hate the Rockefellers for taking a business opportunity in the 1800s. And now they're the richest family in the world, while there are millions starving... Should they be forced to share they're wealth, some of which they could actually do without?
NO. Charity is important, but it cannot be made law.

Or are you communist? Because then I can never agree with you. Poverty, and the fortune of others is just the way the world works and we must learn to accept this. That is my view

Veil of ignorance.
If you didn't know which club you were going to be, wouldn't you prefer the finances to be split evenly?

Real Madrid and Barca are responsible for La Liga's brand... nobody else is responsible for the somewhat decent reputation of the league. 10 years ago, with Depor, Valencia, Celta, Sociadad etc. making impacts I would've said differently, but the reality is that the big two are responsible for their own successes, and it's not like they're "leeching" off Malaga or Racing or whoever... In fact, it would be just the opposite if everyone was recieving like 35m in TV revenue each, with no "discrimination".

So, if I were Mallorca or something, I would look at my finances and think
"who is responsible for this?"
And, if I were honest with myself I wouldn't be pointing fingers at Madrid or Barca, I would point them at myself, or the LFP.

You know, it might be interesting to see the other La Liga teams going on a strike and refusing to play Barca and Real.

Barca and Real are nothing without the rest of the league if they want to stay in a competition and shine, so they would do good to strengthen the opponents, too. Otherwise they would only become something like fancy show troupes in the future that go on a tour to play other teams for money like the Harlem Globetrotters in basketball.

rwo power wrote:You know, it might be interesting to see the other La Liga teams going on a strike and refusing to play Barca and Real.

That'd be awesome

On a side note, yesterday's La Liga results included four 1 - 0's and one 8 - 0.
Real Madrid didn't play. Can you guess which one was Barcelona's game?

Teams can strike.
I guarantee that Madrid would have no problems formulating a new league and Barcelona would join, and according to De Laurentiis, there are a few Italian teams who would have no problem migrating...

Madrid and Barca aren't dependant on anyone.