juve_gigi wrote:

:{Mr.Mustachio! wrote:But Gigi...even if we wanted Aquilani, which we didn't, Liverpool were taking the piss.

It's one deal for Milan and a completely different one for us.

At the end of the day not only do Milan have more clout on the market, but players are willing to sacrifice to join them; Aquilani is open to trimming his wages to join them. Not so for us...

If Moggi came back tomorrow THAT would not change one iota. In direct competition we'd still fail, teams would still try to make us overpay.

The difference would be he'd pluck some obscure guys from Serie B and Lega Pro for minimal sums, with a few random foreigners thrown in for good measure. Some would be crap, some good, some great.

He has a eye for potential that is unsurpassed.

Marotta made big mistakes in last seasons market, for me this time around his only mistake has been mentioning the phrase 'top players'...

+1

Good post Forza and I agree with you. Finally someone with a good comeback to my post and we can have a debate. Yes, I agree that Milan have more clout, that is for sure. I also believe that Aquliani would have had no problem coming back to Juve at a reduced price. As for the transfer fee, that is pure genius by Galliani, getting him for 6m ONLY if he plays 25 games, that is a stroke of genius. Only Galliani can pull a move like that. And notice how he did it, he waited until the last days when nobody else was bidding for Aquliani and also I am sure he was smart enough to understand that Liverpool did not really want him back. Liverpool was always going to sell Aquilani, and a smart guy like Galliani knew this, so he waited until the appropriate time and then swopped after him and got a helluva deal.

The fact that Milan can make these kind of moves because they have "clout" and Juve can't just shows what a dire situation we are really in. How are we ever gonna finish in a CL spot if we are signing no names from South America and Serie C1 players, when Milan are signing national team players for the same cost or less. We are never gonna be able to close the gap this way, that is my fear.

Forget the Marotta crap and all the bashing and forget the Moggi crap, I am talking about MY JUVENTUS. That doesn't include Marotta because Marotta may not be around in a year. I am talking about the state of my team for the future, for the next 5-10 years or more. I am worried that we are falling behind again, we are not progressing and we are gonna stay a mid table team for years to come. Are other people not worried about this, or is it always the case that you have to say good things about Marotta no matter what he does just to show that you are a loyal and devoted fan? The fact that I am loyal and devoted is the reason why I am so upset right now. It has nothing to do with wanting to bash Marotta because I hate him. It has everything to do with the fact that I LOVE my Juventus and, irregardless of Marotta, I want my Juventus to succeed. I don't want us to sign average players to sit on the bench, I want us to sign champions to be able to compete with the Milanisti teams.

This is the last week of the summer mercato, where we can make or break our season based on a key signing or two, and Juventus is signing no name players from South America and Milan is signing national team players. That is the difference and that is why I am so upset. Sorry, I guess I am taking loving my Juventus too seriously. Maybe I should just sit back and not really care anymore because it is becoming too unbearabloe for me to think of another wasted season.

Anyways, nice debate and thanks for being honest about our current state and about Moggi.

:{Mr.Mustachio! wrote:

juve_gigi wrote:

:{Mr.Mustachio! wrote:But Gigi...even if we wanted Aquilani, which we didn't, Liverpool were taking the piss.

It's one deal for Milan and a completely different one for us.

At the end of the day not only do Milan have more clout on the market, but players are willing to sacrifice to join them; Aquilani is open to trimming his wages to join them. Not so for us...

If Moggi came back tomorrow THAT would not change one iota. In direct competition we'd still fail, teams would still try to make us overpay.

The difference would be he'd pluck some obscure guys from Serie B and Lega Pro for minimal sums, with a few random foreigners thrown in for good measure. Some would be crap, some good, some great.

He has a eye for potential that is unsurpassed.

Marotta made big mistakes in last seasons market, for me this time around his only mistake has been mentioning the phrase 'top players'...

+1

Good post Forza and I agree with you. Finally someone with a good comeback to my post and we can have a debate. Yes, I agree that Milan have more clout, that is for sure. I also believe that Aquliani would have had no problem coming back to Juve at a reduced price. As for the transfer fee, that is pure genius by Galliani, getting him for 6m ONLY if he plays 25 games, that is a stroke of genius. Only Galliani can pull a move like that. And notice how he did it, he waited until the last days when nobody else was bidding for Aquliani and also I am sure he was smart enough to understand that Liverpool did not really want him back. Liverpool was always going to sell Aquilani, and a smart guy like Galliani knew this, so he waited until the appropriate time and then swopped after him and got a helluva deal.

The fact that Milan can make these kind of moves because they have "clout" and Juve can't just shows what a dire situation we are really in. How are we ever gonna finish in a CL spot if we are signing no names from South America and Serie C1 players, when Milan are signing national team players for the same cost or less. We are never gonna be able to close the gap this way, that is my fear.

Forget the Marotta crap and all the bashing and forget the Moggi crap, I am talking about MY JUVENTUS. That doesn't include Marotta because Marotta may not be around in a year. I am talking about the state of my team for the future, for the next 5-10 years or more. I am worried that we are falling behind again, we are not progressing and we are gonna stay a mid table team for years to come. Are other people not worried about this, or is it always the case that you have to say good things about Marotta no matter what he does just to show that you are a loyal and devoted fan? The fact that I am loyal and devoted is the reason why I am so upset right now. It has nothing to do with wanting to bash Marotta because I hate him. It has everything to do with the fact that I LOVE my Juventus and, irregardless of Marotta, I want my Juventus to succeed. I don't want us to sign average players to sit on the bench, I want us to sign champions to be able to compete with the Milanisti teams.

This is the last week of the summer mercato, where we can make or break our season based on a key signing or two, and Juventus is signing no name players from South America and Milan is signing national team players. That is the difference and that is why I am so upset. Sorry, I guess I am taking loving my Juventus too seriously. Maybe I should just sit back and not really care anymore because it is becoming too unbearabloe for me to think of another wasted season.

Anyways, nice debate and thanks for being honest about our current state and about Moggi.

I think exactly the same way, believe it or not I think all Juventus fans do. We worry about our relavance, our future; there is no massive difference in the way we all view things, even if the arguments hint otherwise.

We just all deal with adversity in different ways. Some are wildly optimistic, some overly pessimistic, some of us (me included) continue only on hope. I realise we were promised top players, players of a level that haven't arrived and I too look around at the other operations going on in the market there is a degree of 'penis envy' so to speak.

But alas, I continue as I do not because I'm blind or because I don't care, but because it makes getting out of bed that little easier. As they say it's a case of 'laughing to stop from crying'.

I'm being a little melodramatic though, it's not quite that bad, but of we have a another season like the last two then Christ it might well be!

Right now I'm optimistic, as I said in my other post, had top players never been mentioned this market would be a commendable undertaking. As it is Marotta shot himself in the foot.

vanharouva wrote:Sciacca

Did you see my point AT ALL?

Zamparini...

Juve...

Bid...

...

Fiorentina...

Anyway, Lichtsteiner has already proven to be a great addition to the right back.

JuvenelCuore wrote:Madonna mia aiutami. Non posso continuare cosi.

First, Danilo goes for the same price as Lichtsteiner, and now Cassani goes for half the cost of Lichtsteiner.

I tried Devi, I really did, but for God's sake, can somebody bring back Moggi ?

DeviAngel wrote:why do u consider him average when u haven't seen him play ?? In the coppa he was great and many posters asked for his name ...give the guy a shot ffs who knows what it will turn out to be ....


btw Palero refused 10 mils from Juve for Cassani and loaned him for 0 with option to buy 5 mil lol Zamparini

DeviAngel wrote:ppl were right this section is lost case

elmystique wrote:how can we get him if we already have Vidal?

or Italian league rules have changed?

JuvenelCuore wrote:Oh Pino, the list of problems and screw ups goes on and on and on.

Lichtsteiner is not worth double Cassani, if Marotta had waited, he could have gotten him for cheap. He is a clown brother, plain and simple.