Re: Rival thread

by RedOranje Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:44 pm

Suddenly the points dropped in the Newcastle and Southampton aren't looking so absurd, are they? Yes we played up a man on Newcastle and yes, in both cases picking up the three points would have helped us immensely... but they're hardly the cataclysmic events against clubs no true "top side" would experience that they were at the time made out to be.

On the other hand... we should have gotten more out of that Swansea match.

Perspective.

by mr-r34 Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:51 pm

Sorry boys, forgot to add the blue half of merseyside also didn't pick up all 3 points.

Whats everyone hoping for now, after united grabbing a goal, i'm torn i dunno what result i'm looking for.

I get what your saying red, but i'm going to disagree with the Newcastle game, 10 men for 1 half, we should of won that no questions asked.

by RedOranje Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:10 pm

And another result of ours looking better with more matches played.

by Nishankly Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:25 pm

Next gameweek:-

Sat 23 Nov 2013 - Premier League

Everton v Liverpool 12:45
Arsenal v Southampton 15:00
Fulham v Swansea 15:00
Hull v Crystal Palace 15:00
Newcastle v Norwich 15:00
Stoke v Sunderland 15:00
West Ham v Chelsea 17:30

Sun 24 Nov 2013 - Premier League

Man City v Tottenham 13:30
Cardiff v Man Utd 16:00

Mon 25 Nov 2013 - Premier League

West Brom v Aston Villa 20:00

A win would be excellent in the merseyside derby. Could solidify second place.

by mr-r34 Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:28 pm

Wow, a win will surely be great for us, hopefully more results go our way next week.

by Art Morte Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:33 pm

This was a perfect gameweek for us, all teams around us dropping points banana

by Helmer Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:48 pm

What a week really...ManUtd has won today which off course i dont like, i would have preferred a draw. I have a feeling that they will pick from this game and build up on it. ManUtd need to continue their loss-draw results.

Seeing Nawcastle and WestHam win at spurs, we must get at least a point there and tbh three points can be also expected now at white heart lane.

by RedOranje Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:47 pm

Art Morte wrote:This was a perfect gameweek for us, all teams around us dropping points

Well, all except Sotton but then I'm not convinced they'll maintain their position into the second half of the season anyway.

HEIL MEIN REDS wrote:
Seeing Nawcastle and WestHam win at spurs, we must get at least a point there and tbh three points can be also expected now at white heart lane.

Nonsense. Two off-days does not a trend nor season make. Don't underrate them based on those two results.

by McAgger Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:50 pm

Wow woke up late today but saw the scores and I got to say what an amazing matchday :bow:

by Helmer Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:38 pm

RO, it will be a third so called 'off day' for them :coffee:

by Red Alert Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:49 am

Spurs won't make top 4 if they play this way. That's no knee jerk either, they're really struggling to score goals. They're making the chances, they're just not taking them. 9 goals in the BPL AS A TEAM after 10 games. Suarez, Sturridge and Aguero have 8 each.

by Art Morte Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:26 am

To be fair if it wasn't for Krul's amazing performance Tottenham would have scored at least two or three goals yesterday, so maybe they're getting there. Although their attacking is a bit static, I'm surprised AVB hasn't started both Soldado and Defoe yet.

by Red Alert Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:48 am

Majority of the shots gave the keeper a chance/ were rather tame to save, so it comes down to poor finishing imo.

Krul really only made one decent save and that was when Tiote headed the ball after a freekick.

International games are going to be the worst. The fixtures right after are going to be intense, not just for Merseyside (the derby) but because a lot of people in the top 8 can drop points.

by ExtremistEnigma Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:11 am

Art Morte wrote:To be fair if it wasn't for Krul's amazing performance Tottenham would have scored at least two or three goals yesterday, so maybe they're getting there. Although their attacking is a bit static, I'm surprised AVB hasn't started both Soldado and Defoe yet.

The same was the case with us two seasons back. Our attacks were static, predictable and we played with a slow tempo. Krul was good but the problem lied with Tottenham.

Anyways, next 5 fixtures:

Liverpool: Everton (A), Hull (A), Norwich (H), West Ham (H), Tottenham (A) (13 points, draw in the Merseyside derby and win in all the others)
Arsenal: Soton (H), Cardiff (A), Hull (H), Everton (H), Man City (A) (12 points)
Soton: Arsenal (A), Chelsea (A), Aston Villa (H), Man City (H), Newcastle (A) (6 points)
Chelsea: West Ham (A), Soton (H), Sunderland (A), Stoke (A), Crystal Palace (H) (15 points)
Everton: Liverpool (H), Stoke (H), Man Utd (A), Arsenal (A), Fulham (H) (7 points)
Man Utd: Cardiff (A), Tottenham (A), Everton (H), Newcastle (H), Aston Villa (A) (13 points)
Tottenham: Man City (A), Man Utd (H), Fulham (A), Sunderland (A), Liverpool (H) (3 points)
Man City: Tottenham (H), Swansea (H), Soton (A), Arsenal (H), Fulham (A) (10 points)

We face Tottenham the week succeeding their Europa League clash. All of their losses this season have come after Europa League games. They're qualified though, and might very well play a third string side...

The upcoming fixtures and everything is going our way. If we can't make the top 4 this season, we never can..

by RedOranje Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:14 pm

People are really underestimating Spurs all of the sudden and I can't help but feel that if we don't take 3 points from WHL people will be freaking out about it being the end of our season and Top 4/league chances.

by Helmer Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:31 pm

ha, by the look of now so simple, just dont concede a penalty and score 1 or 2, enough to get 3 points Razz

by RedOranje Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:20 pm

Which is basically textbook "underrating."

by ExtremistEnigma Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:24 pm

RedOranje wrote:People are really underestimating Spurs all of the sudden and I can't help but feel that if we don't take 3 points from WHL people will be freaking out about it being the end of our season and Top 4/league chances.

They lost to the likes of West "we-are-unbelievable-shite-away-from-home" Ham and Newcastle at WHL. A lose there obviously won't affect our top 4 chances but that's the kind of mentality that's harmful in the longer run.. being satisfied with a draw when inferior sides won against them.

by RedOranje Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:46 pm

No, it's being realistic and understanding that their squad is as good as or better than ours and is settling and gelling at the moment, with a few bits of poor luck thrown in (something we all should be quite familiar with).

by iftikhar Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:57 am

After the international break:

Everton-Liverpool
Arsenal-Southampton
City-Spurs

Gooooooo SAINTS :-)

by Helmer Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:42 am

I think it doesnt happen every now and then that a loanee of us has started flourishing like that. Anyways there is a long season to go ahead so lets wait but he has certainly handled the pressure well to play with big boys.

by stevieg8 Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:44 am

ExtremistEnigma wrote:
RedOranje wrote:People are really underestimating Spurs all of the sudden and I can't help but feel that if we don't take 3 points from WHL people will be freaking out about it being the end of our season and Top 4/league chances.
They lost to the likes of West "we-are-unbelievable-shite-away-from-home" Ham and Newcastle at WHL. A lose there obviously won't affect our top 4 chances but that's the kind of mentality that's harmful in the longer run.. being satisfied with a draw when inferior sides won against them.

I don't understand the insistence of footy fans* on overrating the importance of individual performances. Nothing similar exists in any other sport (at least not that I follow, and I follow a lot of sports). The NFL has a 16 game season, far shorter than the EPL, so every game matters a lot more, and I've never seen the types of overreactions from a fan base the way that I do here, either positive OR negative. A loss to West Ham or Newcastle does not mean they're a bad team, just like our draws to Swansea or 10 man Newcastle don't mean we're a bad team. They also don't mean the end of anyone's chances for anything. It's a long season, people, everyone calm down.

*It might just be GL, not all footy fans.

by McAgger Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:07 am

stevieg8 wrote:
*It might just be GL, not all footy fans.

It's much worse outside GL Laughing

by iftikhar Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:23 am

Every match Spurs line-up has 4-5 may be even more players who have been with the club for around a year or so. It's barely the chemistry for a successful team.

They have lost THE PLAYER who virtually carried them for last 2 seasons if not more.

Finally, their strike force is just awesome (slightly better than Everton) and it's having it's effects.

by iftikhar Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:24 am

Every match Spurs line-up has 4-5 may be even more players who have been with the club for around a year or so. It's barely the chemistry for a successful team.

They have lost THE PLAYER who virtually carried them for last 2 seasons if not more.

Finally, their strike force is just awesome (slightly better than Everton) and it's having it's effects.

by Nishankly Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:48 pm

Wrong thread :facepalm:

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