Re: The US Politics Thread

[BarrileteCosmico]

@thimmy a lot of people with dementia seem fine during the day but struggle in the morning at night. It's called sundowning. The debate was at night so Biden didn't have his best showing there, but he's probably fine at midday like in that interview. People say that Biden only has "6 good hours a day", which also fits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundowning

[Myesyats]

I think running on abortion is smart, but running on just abortion was a terrible idea. It felt like everything else was minimized, an afterthought.

In the end, I think she was just a poor candidate that only got as far as she did because there was no real primary.

Running on abortion may be smart in certain circumstances because fear mongering that "they're gonna take away your rights" gets into some people but if the issue is now up to the states and Kamala/Biden haven't done anything about it in the past 2 years then why would people believe her to do something in the next 4 years? What rights is Trump going to take away if each state now decides alone and DT said he won't do a nationwide ban (not sure if he even can do that?)

Basically her entire campaign was based on something she can't influence anyway it seems. The whole meltdown that the mainstream media now have over women losing their rights, and saying they have now less rights than their fathers 60 years ago is just mostly propaganda as it appears to me.

Kamala was not credible on her main campaign issue and every other issue

[Myesyats]

I came across an interesting video of a few black men reacting to Trump's win and media's response to the results. What struck is me they made a lot of comments against liberal policies and they said pretending illegal aliens are the same as black people does a lot of harm to the black community. I never really thought about it that way but it makes sense.

They seem to be tired of identity politics and pretending that if someone is X race and Y gender they should always and forever vote blue. I think that's why we see a lot of latino and black men shifting in favor of republicans. Interesting dynamic. They also feel resentful that democrats pander mostly to females and males feel left out and kind of, figuratively speaking, abandoned

The video in question:

Spoiler:

[Myesyats]

As to the polling, what do the percentages mean?

It means how close the final predictions were to the final result in each of the swing states.

[elitedam]

As to the polling, what do the percentages mean?

It means how close the final predictions were to the final result in each of the swing states.

That makes no sense since they're still counting votes.

[elitedam]

I think running on abortion is smart, but running on just abortion was a terrible idea. It felt like everything else was minimized, an afterthought.

In the end, I think she was just a poor candidate that only got as far as she did because there was no real primary.

Running on abortion may be smart in certain circumstances because fear mongering that "they're gonna take away your rights" gets into some people but if the issue is now up to the states and Kamala/Biden haven't done anything about it in the past 2 years then why would people believe her to do something in the next 4 years? What rights is Trump going to take away if each state now decides alone and DT said he won't do a nationwide ban (not sure if he even can do that?)

Basically her entire campaign was based on something she can't influence anyway it seems. The whole meltdown that the mainstream media now have over women losing their rights, and saying they have now less rights than their fathers 60 years ago is just mostly propaganda as it appears to me.

Kamala was not credible on her main campaign issue and every other issue

They didn't do anything about it because they didn't have the votes for it. Just because they weren't able to accomplish something in the last two years, you think they should just give up on the issue? That's insane. It's just like raising the minimum wage to $15. They tried. They put up a bill for it. They didn't have the votes. They failed. Do you give up on the issue forever now?

Abortion is an issue that's massively important to a large part of the population. Roe v. Wade was the law of the land for 50 years, and now it's gone. People are rightfully pissed, and it was smart to run on that.

And what do you mean they can't influence it? Why would the federal government not have the ability to pass abortion laws?

[Myesyats]

As to the polling, what do the percentages mean?

It means how close the final predictions were to the final result in each of the swing states.

That makes no sense since they're still counting votes.

The swing states are 99% in

[elitedam]

It means how close the final predictions were to the final result in each of the swing states.

That makes no sense since they're still counting votes.

The swing states are 99% in

Right now, I'm seeing Arizona at 82%.

[Myesyats]

That makes no sense since they're still counting votes.

The swing states are 99% in

Right now, I'm seeing Arizona at 82%.

I just checked the source again, so it's actually not that precise, they just looked at who was picked as the winner in each state with no regard to actual point margins. You're right

[Myesyats]

I think running on abortion is smart, but running on just abortion was a terrible idea. It felt like everything else was minimized, an afterthought.

In the end, I think she was just a poor candidate that only got as far as she did because there was no real primary.

Running on abortion may be smart in certain circumstances because fear mongering that "they're gonna take away your rights" gets into some people but if the issue is now up to the states and Kamala/Biden haven't done anything about it in the past 2 years then why would people believe her to do something in the next 4 years? What rights is Trump going to take away if each state now decides alone and DT said he won't do a nationwide ban (not sure if he even can do that?)

Basically her entire campaign was based on something she can't influence anyway it seems. The whole meltdown that the mainstream media now have over women losing their rights, and saying they have now less rights than their fathers 60 years ago is just mostly propaganda as it appears to me.

Kamala was not credible on her main campaign issue and every other issue

They didn't do anything about it because they didn't have the votes for it. Just because they weren't able to accomplish something in the last two years, you think they should just give up on the issue? That's insane. It's just like raising the minimum wage to $15. They tried. They put up a bill for it. They didn't have the votes. They failed. Do you give up on the issue forever now?

Abortion is an issue that's massively important to a large part of the population. Roe v. Wade was the law of the land for 50 years, and now it's gone. People are rightfully pissed, and it was smart to run on that.

And what do you mean they can't influence it? Why would the federal government not have the ability to pass abortion laws?

The Supreme Court verdict means the president has limited influence over this, right? Each state now decides the issue on an individual basis., they usually put it on the ballot. So it's up to the people in each state. If it's popular then it should have no problem passing in the vast majority of states

Flipping the SCOTUS is near impossible, so what can they realistically do?

[elitedam]

In Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court ruled that the Constitution of the US protected the right to have an abortion. It was overruled by the Dobbs decision in 2022. Congress is free to pass legislation dealing with abortion. The reason why states decide now is because there is very little and very limited federal laws on abortion. There is no need to flip the Supreme Court.

[Myesyats]

In Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court ruled that the Constitution of the US protected the right to have an abortion. It was overruled by the Dobbs decision in 2022. Congress is free to pass legislation dealing with abortion. The reason why states decide now is because there is very little and very limited federal laws on abortion. There is no need to flip the Supreme Court.

That would require dems to have full control of the presidency, house, senate and also be rid of the filibuster.

And even then, couldn't the Supreme Court just strike that legislation down as unconstitutional if it's stacked with conservative judges?

A constitutional amendment would need an even broader consensus.

[elitedam]

That's all correct, though I think the Supreme Court, depending on how the abortion law is actually written, would have a tough time striking it down.

They could go full partisan, fuck legal doctrine and throw the rest of their reputation in the shitter, but I don't think we're there yet.

[Pedram]

BREAKING: This is the single greatest action of the new Trump Administration.

This is a very, very good sign… pic.twitter.com/xI6A3Ta6lq

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) November 9, 2024

[futbol]

This US election ended the German government on the same day. The coalition is in shambles, probably new elections at the beginning of 2025.

Tell me you're an US Dem vassal without telling me you're an US Dem vassal.

Glad for the Americans. They'll get politics for their own people. In Germany 72 % thought Kamala was gonna win according to polls, while 80 % probably don't even know how she sounds like, merely that "Trump = evil". Just let it sink in how brainwashed Germans are by the German media.

While Volkswagen, Mercedes, BMW, Audi are all in shambles and cutting jobs while bridges are literally collapsing, this government is trying to make new debts (against what is written in the constitution) for new Ukraine aid.

If there is one nation that is gonna be royally fucked by the Trump administration it's certainly Germany. They've followed the US Dem orders like model students in all aspects: migration, trans law, climate, Ukraine. Now the US flips from good cop to bad cop for their own benefit and Germany is done.

[Arquitecto]

Good Im glad Germany is screwed by it. Absolutely insufferable high horse attitude to an election that doesn't directly concern their people.

[futbol]

Vance already telling von der Leyen and the EU commission that any attempt to censor Twitter in Europe will have consequences for NATO.

Trump.

https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1855346782433398956?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1855346782433398956%7Ctwgr%5Ed773391828ee505089066707acbb59cd389c9b93%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10

[Thimmy]

This US election ended the German government on the same day. The coalition is in shambles, probably new elections at the beginning of 2025.

Tell me you're an US Dem vassal without telling me you're an US Dem vassal.

Glad for the Americans. They'll get politics for their own people. In Germany 72 % thought Kamala was gonna win according to polls, while 80 % probably don't even know how she sounds like, merely that "Trump = evil". Just let it sink in how brainwashed Germans are by the German media.

While Volkswagen, Mercedes, BMW, Audi are all in shambles and cutting jobs while bridges are literally collapsing, this government is trying to make new debts (against what is written in the constitution) for new Ukraine aid.

If there is one nation that is gonna be royally fucked by the Trump administration it's certainly Germany. They've followed the US Dem orders like model students in all aspects: migration, trans law, climate, Ukraine. Now the US flips from good cop to bad cop for their own benefit and Germany is done.

People here aren't any better, at all. It's beyond embarrassing to witness the meltdown, particularly in the youngest generations here. I've been reading so much about mental breakdowns and help-lines being over-exhausted due to teens being far too emotionally engaged in the US presidential election. It's absurd. I need to disconnect myself from local news. At least, I can handle international news



"Norwegian adolescents are more afraid of Trump than Taliban"

[Arquitecto]

im open about my disdain for politics and disrespect of individuals who take such direct stock in it (unless they are running for it that is) for no matter how you contort it, it has no reason to directly influence your life and political systems are corrupt by direct causal and nature.

the euro meltdown over it is not only hilarious but pathetic bc it involves an election that also literally has nothing to do with them. far more satisfying than the inner north american meltdown

[futbol]

Good Im glad Germany is screwed by it. Absolutely insufferable high horse attitude to an election that doesn't directly concern their people.

My guy, Germany is already lost on 3 major fronts.

We have let in millions of Middle Eastern men with no education.

We are banking on electric cars even though no one buys them domestically and the markets we used to export to are making their own electric cars for much cheaper (China). Who tf needs an 90k $ BMW when there is no engine in it? Buy a BYD or Xiaomi for 30k and you get the same car with better infotainment system. Germans are engine and machine manufacturers, not driving Smartphone with AI generated music manufacturers.

We have banked on wind and solar, ended nuclear energy (we have 200 chairs for gender studies but 3 for nuclear physics in Germany ) in a country where the sun does not shine for 7 or 8 months of the year and also cut us off from our main cheap gas supplier to morally help a sunken, corrupt ex Soviet shithole.

None of that is reversible anymore. Future generations will read in history books how wokeness ended a former powerful industrial nation within just a decade.

[Thimmy]

im open about my disdain for politics and disrespect of individuals who take such direct stock in it (unless they are running for it that is) for no matter how you contort it, it has no reason to directly influence your life and political systems are corrupt by direct causal and nature.

the euro meltdown over it is not only hilarious but pathetic bc it involves an election that also literally has nothing to do with them. far more satisfying than the inner north american meltdown

It really is pathetic. And I think it re-confirms the power of media outlets in the modern day, which have always been known to be a potential tool for manipulation, but the real significance of that power has mostly laid dormant outside of war times.

You can make kids believe anything these days. If I was a filthy rich, religious leader, I'd seize the opportunity to act right now

[Warrior]

Lots of new republican voters among blacks and latinos, or so i read

Pretty clear the era of SJW bullies is over

As canadian i would actually prefer if Kamala was president. But i am hopeful that through americanization of society, far-left ideas will be given increasingly less importance in politics.

[Arquitecto]

informative post by Futbol and I agree with you thimmy.

germany indeed is shooting itself in the foot despite all that is going for them as the fact is people are just sick of being told what to think and having their thoughts policed. the resemblance to an Orwellian society more and more often is starkly clear as the masses will preach its important to vote akin to the idea its okay to have tap water.

decentralised societies should be a thing rather than one large state. the government does not want to foster individual progress and creativity but group think vectors that result in the rage against trump as seen above. like get a grip ffs

[Warrior]

I think it's democrats who got the cultural resentment votes, and the politically oblivious votes.

Racists, guntards, far-right all of those already voted for Trump in november 2020 and they lost.

In 2024 republicans won by a landslide because people fear the consequences of another 4 years of Biden/Harris policies more than they fear Trump.

[Pedram]

As canadian i would actually prefer if Kamala was president. But i am hopeful that through americanization of society, far-left ideas will be given increasingly less importance in politics.

Conservatives equating Copmala with far-left politics will never fail to make me laugh.

I wonder if she's perceived that way simply because she's black and from California. other than that there's not a single "far-left" policy she supports that i can identify.

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[Warrior]

You don't even know what you are laughing about dude, just because i acknowledge that far-left measures came to reality under Biden/Harris administration does not mean i'm conservative. Well i might be conservative in today's standards tbh

Inb4 open borders and trans surgery to children ? Positive discrimination, DEI ? You think it's a good thing ? I don't

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