I would clearly accept this, I always wanted someone like Carlo over Klopp.
Speaking about Klopp, who faced heavy criticism here on GL unlike current support to Arteta. He received criticism only because Liverpool fans were saying, we see progress and he deserves more time. Obviously bringing correct players makes a difference to any club. Without brining any of those players, Klopp defeated ManCity 4-1 at Etihad, reached league cup final and lost to City on penalties, on the way to Europa league final he defeated likes of ManUtd and Dortmund. The thing where Klopp deserves credit is, he did not fall for "spend millions, sign players and then win trophies" and second thing, he had courage to wait for the right players and wait couple of windows. Klopp wanted some German guy over Salah but when Salah came, he made Salah reach his potential. After doing everything, Klopp still faces very heavy criticism and that is correct because Klopp has done many wrong thigns along the way.

Anyways, I supported Arteta when not a single Arsenal fan was supporting him at that time and all I am questioning now is "whether Arteta has a ceiling as a manager because of his attitude and mentality".

Thimmy wrote:I don't know about the rest of you, but I firmly recall both GL and other places on the internet expressing doubts about Klopp before the club brought in Van Dijk, Salah and the rest of what would become the core of a rather dominant team. The story's the same for Arteta, although I personally think he has a few holes in his team compared to prime Liverpool under Klopp. Whether or not that's his fault is... it's always the manager, isn't it?

I think the big difference is that Klopp has been a Manager for much longer and was very successful with dortmund, so there was at least proof of success wheras arteta is a bigger risk with lack of proof

Clutch wrote:

Thimmy wrote:I don't know about the rest of you, but I firmly recall both GL and other places on the internet expressing doubts about Klopp before the club brought in Van Dijk, Salah and the rest of what would become the core of a rather dominant team. The story's the same for Arteta, although I personally think he has a few holes in his team compared to prime Liverpool under Klopp. Whether or not that's his fault is... it's always the manager, isn't it?

I think the big difference is that Klopp has been a Manager for much longer and was very successful with dortmund, so there was at least proof of success wheras arteta is a bigger risk with lack of proof

That's a very good point. I do generally feel like managers who've only had success with a single club before they become the manager of a top club in one of the 4 leagues, largely rely on some luck with transfers or the quality of the team they inherit in order to prolong their status as elite, though. If they get their transfers right, the only way is up.

Andre Villas Boas is an example of one who inherited a rather underwhelming, aging and under-performing team that somehow went on to win the Champions League under replacement manager, Di Matteo, who no one seems to rate despite how great a feat that was lol.

I haven't kept close track of what either of them have been doing since then, but Villas Boas seemed to have fallen off the radar after accepting offers where the odds were stacked against him, while Di Matteo similarly became the manager of a Schalke side that I remember was struggling in the league at the time. I have no clue what he's been doing since then, but as far as I can tell, they both made awful choices after their initial successes.

Regardless of whether it's blame or praise, Arteta and Klopp's fortunes both changed once they brought in players who presumably either allowed them to play more in the style that they wanted to play, or simply upped the quality of the squad. Some might say that's a coincidence, but I think that only goes to show that while managers can definitely make a difference through their management and organization of a team, I'm definitely not subscribed to the Rincon belief that a truly good manager can turn any kind of scrap into gold. A lot of Man United fans seem to share that belief, but unless Ratcliffe and his team manage to quickly overhaul the actual squad and approach to transfers, I won't be surprised if they have to wait a decade longer for the success and entertainment that they expect.

Thimmy wrote:I don't know about the rest of you, but I firmly recall both GL and other places on the internet expressing doubts about Klopp before the club brought in Van Dijk, Salah and the rest of what would become the core of a rather dominant team. The story's the same for Arteta, although I personally think he has a few holes in his team compared to prime Liverpool under Klopp. Whether or not that's his fault is... it's always the manager, isn't it?

The issue with something that Klopp always has been his stubbornness/arrogance and loving his players to a fault. It's his team selection in key games and faith in fringe not good enough squad players that annoyed a lot of people. Klopp doesn't work with a big budget beyond the starting 11 so there is always something missing when he benches key players. Players like Keita, Ox, Milner, Firmino, Hendo were all to be moved a year prior of leaving but Klopp put his foot down against FSG and lost them for peanuts.

Big example was the Bayern CL game at Anfield where he rested Trent lmao, it ended 0-0, we won the return 3-1 and Trent had two assists. I think Unique was the only vocal Klopp out here. I was always Klopp sort it out even during the "desperate" times. The "desperate" times being Klopp not changing his system if nothing worked, it was Plan A and then subs to try Plan A again.

Arteta on the other hand is an immature clown and an extremely high ceiling the moment he finds his calling and stops ManCing things. We really need to stop drawing parallels between Arteta and Klopp because Klopp is in a different galaxy.

A LOT of people forget that Klopp signed 0 PLAYERS in his first year. He said he wanted to work with each player INDIVIVUALLY before making a decision. This was after we finished 8th in the league. It allowed players like Lallana to find their new calling. Can Arteta do that? He certainly does not come that culture.

S3xy A$$ goal by Bernardo N almost a second as well Man C are cruising...

Man City in the build up are so op, watching barca the other day felt like the U15s in comparison

Wow, Newcastle two carbon copy goals lol... Kyle Walkings defending for the second was like thinking lightning cant strike twice n just jogged along wtf

Need some De Bruyne magic, come on....

DE BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUYYYYYYYNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

My god, De Bruyne basically ran the whole game as soon as he came on, just amazing Often when a top player is out for a while he can come back hungry n firing straight away Basically Man C should be safe now as long as hes fit

De Bruyne is such a brilliant player, I thought he was done tbh.

He is a brilliant player, but he’s been fit to play since december according to reports. They didn’t want to rush him back into action, which probably means that he’s both fit and well rested by now.

I’m happy to see Oscar Bobb play well also. I hadn’t even heard about him until he got his debut for them this season. He’s made good use of his time on the pitch.

Hojlund and Rashford with some chemistry for the first time

Spurs win that game 5-2 if Maddison and Son were playing

Finally Rashford scores. Terrible season and exposed to be a player who is nowhere near world class level.

Arquitecto wrote:Finally Rashford scores. Terrible season and exposed to be a player who is nowhere near world class level.

There was once a player in him who could have become elite level. Hungry, humble and willing to work hard. Was a big fan. Coming from the academy and everything. Unfortunately the guy got into the wrong clique of posers like Pogba and Lingard. Never been the same since then. Now at 26 years old that train has far left the station.
For the love of God Real please buy Mbappe so that we can send this guy away to psg. His ego will suit them perfectly. Him and Bruno are the biggest problem for us right now.

Unfortunately, reviews of youngster that go beyond their worth and talent along with the recent hype of him based on his off-field activities clearly got to his head. Personally never saw any player in his particularly special but a good player he was.

"Good player" a rare term in football given someone is either deemed world class or rubbish.

There just exists no leadership in United and surprised Rashford did not progress ahead when he was in the same locker as Cristiano.

His ship has mostly sailed for what he "could" have been so I agree.

I forgot that if PSG lose Mbappe they could actually be the only club willing to drop 100M for Rashford

please, FUCKING PLEASE. I will become a PSG fan if they do that. Otherwise I don't want to watch him stinking it up at United for the next 4 years.

Yea and I am 100% sure that they will come for him. Them or Barcelona. Them too have a thing for headless pace merchants in recent years. The justification for buying him would be it is United ruining Rashford like United's been ruining players. He may even thrive at those clubs, I mean change of scenery, weaker league and all(in case of psg) but whatever happens, at United its more or less written now. It simply wont work out.

Glory wrote:Yea and I am 100% sure that they will come for him. Them or Barcelona. Them too have a thing for headless pace merchants in recent years. The justification for buying him would be it is United ruining Rashford like United's been ruining players. He may even thrive at those clubs, I mean change of scenery, weaker league and all(in case of psg) but whatever happens, at United its more or less written now. It simply wont work out.  

I do think there's some logic to that thinking. I don't believe that Man United ruin players necessarily, but ever since Ferguson retired, you've held on to new signings for too long, and you've brought in players who aren't a fit for new tactical approaches brought on by new managers, so the managers have to adopt their system to the players, rather than the other way around. Recruitment hasn't been good enough to speed things up, and there's not enough patience to allow the team to be built for a certain philosophy. You'd think Mourinho would excel in that environment, since he just forces everyone to play defensively and then complains about the lack of transfers anyway. Rashford has played under a lot of different systems, and he pretty much does the same thing regardless of how they play I imagine Hojlund will likely benefit from his departure.

Increasingly looking like City are fucked, you love to see it, Haaaland in the national league south, may watch him play my local team

Nothing is going to happen to them. Pipe dreams, dont be naive.

In other, Manchester news, Jim Ratcliffe is bringing in Omar Berrada from Manchester City. I’m not familiar with him, but it looks like he was involved in the sporting side of things and worked closely with Txiki Begiristain regarding transfers and contracts.

He will become the chief of administration at Man United - resonsible for commercial and sporting activities. I’m not sure exactly what that role entails, but it’s a great thing that Man United finally have someone who will at least take some responsibility for future transfers and contracts. It’s far too late for this to happen, but better late than never.