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Re: Sarri Sack Watch
His rigidity is something else. Saw a stat that said he subbed off Kovacic for Barkley and incredible 19 times this season so far. Last year at Napoli, he subbed off Hamsik for Zielinski 19 times too.
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I knew he would suck the very moment when Barcaforum declared him the next big managarial thing a year ago because he played a bit of offensive football with Napoli. Did the same with Sampaoli as well a few seasons ago when he had a couple of good months at Sevilla.
Barca fans - the most unknowledgeable fanbase on earth.
De Jong next flop on the list of Barca heroes.
Barca fans - the most unknowledgeable fanbase on earth.
De Jong next flop on the list of Barca heroes.
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Sarri makes Mourinho look adventuresome with his subs and tactics lol.
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Never once in my life I've ever watched a Chelsea team so incapable of putting pressure on Man United on their own pitch. It's the stadium where we have the worst record in the last 25 years or so. Chelsea's passing game looked pretty solid most of the time to be fair, but there were two very big problems.
One was the neglected defensive side of the game and the other one and the most important was the exaggerated frustration of the players.
And you could see it easily almost every 2 or 3 minutes in their reactions. Of course the ref took some bad decisions, some pro Chelsea, some pro United, probably a few more pro United. Of course United's players made double the fouls their opponents did, but that's intuitive considering Sarri's approach of fast possession build up. So, they should've been prepared for a tough game, which in the end didn't even really have very harsh duels.
In spite of all these, they should've stayed calm and focused, but everything seemed to come out of desperation. Paradoxically, the players didn't look like they were really trying to run the extra mile in order to compensate a lack of creativity. I really felt that they didn't believe they could turn the game. When there's a problem like this, most of the times it won't work in the end, especially when you face top teams.
Frustration brings anxiety. Anxiety brings fear of failure. If you are afraid of failing, you will then subconsciously protect yourself from being hurt by another failure and thus you won't even try anymore. And then you have too much lateral passes and too few attempts on target. Players avoid taking responsibility and lose their courage, their imagination, their strength.
Many things that have been said here about the club, Abramovich, Sarri and quality of the players are probably true. I also tend to go back to the lack of motivation. I would emphasis this as the main problem.
One was the neglected defensive side of the game and the other one and the most important was the exaggerated frustration of the players.
And you could see it easily almost every 2 or 3 minutes in their reactions. Of course the ref took some bad decisions, some pro Chelsea, some pro United, probably a few more pro United. Of course United's players made double the fouls their opponents did, but that's intuitive considering Sarri's approach of fast possession build up. So, they should've been prepared for a tough game, which in the end didn't even really have very harsh duels.
In spite of all these, they should've stayed calm and focused, but everything seemed to come out of desperation. Paradoxically, the players didn't look like they were really trying to run the extra mile in order to compensate a lack of creativity. I really felt that they didn't believe they could turn the game. When there's a problem like this, most of the times it won't work in the end, especially when you face top teams.
Frustration brings anxiety. Anxiety brings fear of failure. If you are afraid of failing, you will then subconsciously protect yourself from being hurt by another failure and thus you won't even try anymore. And then you have too much lateral passes and too few attempts on target. Players avoid taking responsibility and lose their courage, their imagination, their strength.
Many things that have been said here about the club, Abramovich, Sarri and quality of the players are probably true. I also tend to go back to the lack of motivation. I would emphasis this as the main problem.
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Hope he takes German lessons as soon as he's sacked.
I'd gladly welcome him at Bayern.
I'd gladly welcome him at Bayern.
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Don't worry mate you can have your love of life Tüchel when United turn the result around in Paris in a fortnight followed by his imminent sack from PSQ ![Very Happy](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_biggrin.png)
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Unfortunately for us, that will never happen dany. ![Laughing](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_lol.gif)
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danyjr wrote:Don't worry mate you can have your love of life Tüchel when United turn the result around in Paris in a fortnight followed by his imminent sack from PSQ
stop reminding me man. I will never get over how Hoeneß fucked this up
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According to the Guardian, Maurizio Sarri reportedly faces the sack if #ChelseaFC lose to #MCFC in the #EFLCup Final on Sunday
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So basically sacked already
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question. how much of the problems associated with the current situation is on the players at chelsea? especially the old guard who have been there when previous coaches were fired for messing up? not to exonerate sarri, but how much responsibility is on the players?
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Thought this was interesting. So the main problems here are, summarized; (which I agree with)
1. Man-Marking Jorginho. Mou used to do this to busquets back at real, and it had mixed results. Well, in my opinion, I don't think Jorginho is mobile or athletic enough to deal with the man marking. His first touch under pressure is surprisingly poor (led to uniteds goal). I've said it and I'll say it again, I think he is immensely overrated and he has been found out. Busquets could deal with it with his incredible first touch passing and technique.
2. Wingers holding on to the ball too much. This isn't the worst thing in the world. Ideally it's a good thing to have players, especially your wingers take on defenders 1v1. This opens up space for the midfielders and full backs, which brings me to my next issue
3. Chelsea's midfield and fullbacks are just poor offensively. Period. I love Kova but he has poor end product near the goal. Kante as well. Both of these players are naturally defensive minded midfielders.
Don't get me started on Alonso and Azpi. They are Chelseas biggest problems in attack.
4. Chelsea's players aren't all suited for pressing and leave gaps in between the lines. It's just not their game.
Solution in my opinion would be a 4-2-3-1.
Kepa
Azpi-Christensen-rudiger-alonso
Kante-Kovacic
Pedro/CHO-?-Hazard
Higuain
This offers defensive solidity while placing more burden on the attack to produce something. It doesn't offer the fludity of the 4-3-3 but at least they wont be conceding 4-5 goals a game against big teams. RLC or Willian would probably be the best options at 10. Maybe even Barkley, since that is his natural position IMO
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He plays 3 guys out of position to accommodate 1.... and that 1 isn't even a WC player by any stretch while 2 of the other 3 (Hazard and Kante) are.
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Is it true Jorginho makes a million passes but has no assists?
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don expect the player playing in front of the defense to make assist lol, this is the last thing he would deserve criticism for lol
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I don't see the rationalization of wanting to bench Jorginho, the fact every team focuses on him and find it key to stopping Chelsea just shows how important he is. If you bench him you make the job easier for the opposition, now you don't have to worry about him.
Neither Kante or Kovacic are anywhere near Jorginho ability to distribute and be key to our build up. That is Jorginho role and he does that fantastically imo, he is not the issue. There is limitation on our buildup, and that is largely created by two non attacking FB. Azpi lacks the technical ability, while Alonso lacks the physical quality.
Kante position is a dilemma, the media are very mistaken about what Kante is. They think Kante is a DM, but he has never been that and when Conte played him in that role he struggled. He is a B2B, and that always been his best position though out his career.
Truth to be told, there is not role for Kante in this system and a team that are dominating possession that uses him optimally. If you play him as a holding midfielder, you forgo his running ability and drive with the ball. In his current role he is not as influential defensively. He is a pivot player, and in that role you optimally use him.
I personally would prefer Kante deeper, and free up Jorginho a bit higher. Ultimately the reasoning for that is that PL teams are much more optimistic on the counter, and prefer your midfielder with best defensive quality to play deeper. Like i said neither role really suits him, but given the choice i would go in that direction.
Neither Kante or Kovacic are anywhere near Jorginho ability to distribute and be key to our build up. That is Jorginho role and he does that fantastically imo, he is not the issue. There is limitation on our buildup, and that is largely created by two non attacking FB. Azpi lacks the technical ability, while Alonso lacks the physical quality.
Kante position is a dilemma, the media are very mistaken about what Kante is. They think Kante is a DM, but he has never been that and when Conte played him in that role he struggled. He is a B2B, and that always been his best position though out his career.
Truth to be told, there is not role for Kante in this system and a team that are dominating possession that uses him optimally. If you play him as a holding midfielder, you forgo his running ability and drive with the ball. In his current role he is not as influential defensively. He is a pivot player, and in that role you optimally use him.
I personally would prefer Kante deeper, and free up Jorginho a bit higher. Ultimately the reasoning for that is that PL teams are much more optimistic on the counter, and prefer your midfielder with best defensive quality to play deeper. Like i said neither role really suits him, but given the choice i would go in that direction.
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I feel like you are contradicting yourself a bit. So if you are a clever manager like Sarri, knowing your fullback are offensively limited (which by the way would not have been said about Alonso 2 years ago), then why do you play route 1 football through Jorginho only? This is where Sarri also deserves criticism, not adapting to his squad but forcing his method. classic argument of philosophy vs pragmatism.
The problem with Kante is having this superb midfielder, who has matured into a dominant defensive b2b player in EPL, try to do something else playing almost as attacking an midfielder.
In theory, chelsea lacking an actual attacking center midfield is what is sinking them. your other midfield alternatives are so incompetent that Kante playing further up the pitch becomes an attractive solution, it's crazy. Maybe it's naive, but thinking back at Napoli, Kante should thrive in a similar role as Allan, who was the more conservative of the mezzalas, supporting Jorginho defensively, while they had Hamsik running up the pitch attacking on the other side. who can do that at Chelsea? none of the scrubs, so it casts an even darker light on Kante's position.
The problem with Kante is having this superb midfielder, who has matured into a dominant defensive b2b player in EPL, try to do something else playing almost as attacking an midfielder.
In theory, chelsea lacking an actual attacking center midfield is what is sinking them. your other midfield alternatives are so incompetent that Kante playing further up the pitch becomes an attractive solution, it's crazy. Maybe it's naive, but thinking back at Napoli, Kante should thrive in a similar role as Allan, who was the more conservative of the mezzalas, supporting Jorginho defensively, while they had Hamsik running up the pitch attacking on the other side. who can do that at Chelsea? none of the scrubs, so it casts an even darker light on Kante's position.
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Biggest problem with Jorginho is that he can't defend and the CBs behind him aren't exactly world class. The middle of the pitch is completely vulnerable defensively for Chelsea. On the attack... now width and no threat from the CM position.
It's not like Jorginho is in his early 20s and you want to develop him either. He's in his late 20s. This is what he is and it's not going to change.
In any case, Sarri is gone sooner or later this season. This will all be moot quickly.
It's not like Jorginho is in his early 20s and you want to develop him either. He's in his late 20s. This is what he is and it's not going to change.
In any case, Sarri is gone sooner or later this season. This will all be moot quickly.
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Sarri to Roma, please
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Ideologues need 2 years+ to get themselves going... but the problem is that they still need to get results in their first year with elite clubs. That's the rub.
If I'm an ideologue, I don't go to a team where the players don't fit immediately. It's suicidal.
I watched Napoli with Sarri and I enjoyed them. I criticize Sarri a lot... but when he gets the players to run his system properly, It's a joy to watch. I just don't like stupid stubbornness. It's professional negligence to me.
If I'm an ideologue, I don't go to a team where the players don't fit immediately. It's suicidal.
I watched Napoli with Sarri and I enjoyed them. I criticize Sarri a lot... but when he gets the players to run his system properly, It's a joy to watch. I just don't like stupid stubbornness. It's professional negligence to me.
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sportsczy wrote:He plays 3 guys out of position to accommodate 1.... and that 1 isn't even a WC player by any stretch while 2 of the other 3 (Hazard and Kante) are.
Where is he playing Hazard? Isn't it the same position that Insigne played?
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sportsczy wrote:Ideologues need 2 years+ to get themselves going... but the problem is that they still need to get results in their first year with elite clubs. That's the rub.
If I'm an ideologue, I don't go to a team where the players don't fit immediately. It's suicidal.
I watched Napoli with Sarri and I enjoyed them. I criticize Sarri a lot... but when he gets the players to run his system properly, It's a joy to watch. I just don't like stupid stubbornness. It's professional negligence to me.
My understanding is that all he needs to do this year is to qualify for UCL. He obviously thought he could do it and probably would have done it (still could) if Chelsea wouldn't be such a dumpster fire of a club.
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Di Marzio reports he will be sacked and replaced by Lampard
Juventus are very interested in signing him
Juventus are very interested in signing him
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This is interesting
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Club is in shambles, man you are just setting Lampard up for failure. Best player is leaving, weakest squad in recent memory, and the club is facing a transfer ban.
Also two of the brightest spot this season were CHO and RLC, especially RLC he completed our midfield and he was on his way to be a force. Both of them are out with raptured Achilles, just cruel for him to get injured in a meaningless friendly game in the US.
Also two of the brightest spot this season were CHO and RLC, especially RLC he completed our midfield and he was on his way to be a force. Both of them are out with raptured Achilles, just cruel for him to get injured in a meaningless friendly game in the US.
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On the other hand, expectation will be low and it will guarantee that Lampard has a season with minimal criticism and a chance to build something with us.
All moves can backfire, such as Sarri but that does not mean Lampard will fail.
All moves can backfire, such as Sarri but that does not mean Lampard will fail.
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