This is a Hitskin.com skin preview
Install the skin • Return to the skin page
Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
+30
FennecFox7
chad4401
Luca
Makaveli
Adit
Zees
NeganIsco
Jack Daniels
Clutch
Freeza
Vibe
Ankur Upadhyay
Thimmy
Perucho21
Cyborg
futbol_bill
S
phenom
guest7
Valkyrja
titosantill
Turok_TTZ
sportsczy
VanDeezNuts
The Madrid One
halamadrid2
Hapless_Hans
The Demon of Carthage
Doc
Mr Nick09
34 posters
Page 14 of 40
Page 14 of 40 • 1 ... 8 ... 13, 14, 15 ... 27 ... 40
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
I just read in marca (altas y bajas) that Madrid has interest in Mariano. I assume as a backup. Does anyone know the details of the deal that sent him to France. I know it was a sale, but was there any buyback option?
IMO, if we do get a new starter (and manage to shed NUEVE), the reacquisition makes more sense than other canteras.
IMO, if we do get a new starter (and manage to shed NUEVE), the reacquisition makes more sense than other canteras.
futbol_bill- Fan Favorite
- Posts : 7284
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
No buyback. Lyon has no intention of selling. Mariano has no intention of leaving. It's fake news all the way around.
sportsczy- Ballon d'Or Contender
- Club Supported :
Posts : 21601
Join date : 2011-12-07
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
Mariano has already said that if we came calling he'd come immediately. He is our own, in the end RM is where they want to be. He left because ZZ told him to or he'd stayed even to be third choices striker
I'd love to get him back as a back up and to fight for a starting spot but NOT as the marquee signing. We need a WC proven goalscorer
I'd love to get him back as a back up and to fight for a starting spot but NOT as the marquee signing. We need a WC proven goalscorer
halamadrid2- Ballon d'Or Contender
- Club Supported :
Posts : 25594
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
That's no longer true Hala... and Lyon won't sell because they don't have depth at cf. They're not going to jeopardize their season this late in the transfer window unless we massively overpay. They'd have to overpay too for a replacement.
sportsczy- Ballon d'Or Contender
- Club Supported :
Posts : 21601
Join date : 2011-12-07
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
I am not saying that Lyon will sell. Only that Mariano would be happy to come if we asked him to. Unlike those players who are happy either way
So Kovacic has asked Lope to let him leave. Can't say I am too unhappy tbh. I always thought that Ceballos had more potential than him. Kovacic came a long way but for the most part was a frustrating player. He never took full advantage of his qualities and instead always chose the safest option over initiative
I hope we can ready Ceballos to take over from Modric. I love watching him play. Always looks to make things happen instead of leaving that job to the person next to him like Kovacic always did/does. Which is a shame, the quality Kovacic has is not seen in any of our other players but he has barely progressed.
So Kovacic has asked Lope to let him leave. Can't say I am too unhappy tbh. I always thought that Ceballos had more potential than him. Kovacic came a long way but for the most part was a frustrating player. He never took full advantage of his qualities and instead always chose the safest option over initiative
I hope we can ready Ceballos to take over from Modric. I love watching him play. Always looks to make things happen instead of leaving that job to the person next to him like Kovacic always did/does. Which is a shame, the quality Kovacic has is not seen in any of our other players but he has barely progressed.
halamadrid2- Ballon d'Or Contender
- Club Supported :
Posts : 25594
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
With Llorente, Ceballos, and Isco we should have enough to cover what Kovacic offers as a bench player if he does leave. As for Ceballos i want to see more of his work as a deeper lying CM and his long passing/distribution, he still leaves many doubts in me.
The Madrid One- "Imaybeonthesideoftheangels..."
- Club Supported :
Posts : 4947
Join date : 2011-06-05
Age : 30
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
Ceballos and Kovacic are so different as players i dont see how one substitutes the other. Kovacic was to offer quality as a deep lying midfielder to both control the game and in working to bring the ball out of the back because of his ability to dribble and to hold pressure in tight spaces; not to mention his tactical versatility that allows him to in a double pivot and to be a reliable defensive player.
Ceballos offers none of that. he likes to play in more advanced positions on the pitch, he likes to dribble and his passing isnt really tested in a context where he has to spread the ball around to get the game moving. Not just that, but the way Ceballos understands and plays football has nothing to do with the job of a CM/controller. you can play him in a 3 man midfield as an interior left or right, but never in a double pivot. Not to mention that his defensive aptitudes have not been tested at the highest level like Kovacic.
Im not even gonna talk about Llorente because he as well, is a completely different animal.
I would say that we do not have a natural replacement for Kovacic in the team, technically and tactically. Do we need a 1 for 1 replacement? i would argue that we do.
Ceballos offers none of that. he likes to play in more advanced positions on the pitch, he likes to dribble and his passing isnt really tested in a context where he has to spread the ball around to get the game moving. Not just that, but the way Ceballos understands and plays football has nothing to do with the job of a CM/controller. you can play him in a 3 man midfield as an interior left or right, but never in a double pivot. Not to mention that his defensive aptitudes have not been tested at the highest level like Kovacic.
Im not even gonna talk about Llorente because he as well, is a completely different animal.
I would say that we do not have a natural replacement for Kovacic in the team, technically and tactically. Do we need a 1 for 1 replacement? i would argue that we do.
Mr Nick09- Forum Legend
- Club Supported :
Posts : 31600
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
Kovacic could never control a midfield. His footballing know how isn't up to scratch. He is far too lazy to play as a DLP and his range of passing leaves alot to be desired most of which are sideways. His runs from deep amount to nothing as his automatic trajectory is diagonal rather than vertical taking him to the wings passing the closest person to him. Copa was the perfect time for him to show how much he'd grown and he couldn't control anything leaving the "controlling" to Ceballos who'd been with us for 3 nonths. The only quality we will miss is his speed, all our midfielders are slow but in terms of midfield quality we won't miss him
halamadrid2- Ballon d'Or Contender
- Club Supported :
Posts : 25594
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
They have said over and over that if Kovacic leaves they bring in a replacement such as Thiago!
futbol_bill- Fan Favorite
- Club Supported :
Posts : 7284
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
halamadrid2 wrote:Kovacic could never control a midfield. His footballing know how isn't up to scratch. He is far too lazy to play as a DLP and his range of passing leaves alot to be desired most of which are sideways. His runs from deep amount to nothing as his automatic trajectory is diagonal rather than vertical taking him to the wings passing the closest person to him. Copa was the perfect time for him to show how much he'd grown and he couldn't control anything leaving the "controlling" to Ceballos who'd been with us for 3 nonths. The only quality we will miss is his speed, all our midfielders are slow but in terms of midfield quality we won't miss him
Not to mention that Kovacic will have immense problems with the one touch philosophy of Lopetequi.
futbol_bill- Fan Favorite
- Club Supported :
Posts : 7284
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
I think ultimately Kovacic missed his chance to show more quality but at the same time it's not easy for midfielders to play patches of games here and there and to look dominant.
Yet what i described above is what differentiate Ceballos and Kovacic because they are too different. The concern here i not having a player like Modric off the bench who would produce similar quality to play from deep and to drive the ball forward from the back, while controlling the game.
It's a tough ask because no one does it as well. I know we had been scouting Paredes for a while and i always wondered if it was for this situation. THere is also Ruben neves who played with Lopetegui at porto when he was like 17-18.
Yet what i described above is what differentiate Ceballos and Kovacic because they are too different. The concern here i not having a player like Modric off the bench who would produce similar quality to play from deep and to drive the ball forward from the back, while controlling the game.
It's a tough ask because no one does it as well. I know we had been scouting Paredes for a while and i always wondered if it was for this situation. THere is also Ruben neves who played with Lopetegui at porto when he was like 17-18.
Mr Nick09- Forum Legend
- Club Supported :
Posts : 31600
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
@bill, Thiago is too good to come to madrid and to play off the bench. I dont see that happening.
Not to mention Bayern dont seem like they want to gut their team and sell their key players. You dont replace a player like Thiago easily, so i can't imagine them just allowing him to walk, it doesnt make sense
Not to mention Bayern dont seem like they want to gut their team and sell their key players. You dont replace a player like Thiago easily, so i can't imagine them just allowing him to walk, it doesnt make sense
Mr Nick09- Forum Legend
- Club Supported :
Posts : 31600
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
We have enough midfielders to fill 3 A,B,C teams. I think Thiago is quality but he reminds me of Koke with more technique. I think we should focus on developing Ceballos who has a higher ceilings than those midfielder. In the right environment I think he can become an explosive midfielder. Lope is the perfect coach for him to develop and hone his skills. But first Lope needs to fix our pressing. If we can press like his Spain team these midfielders won't get stretched as they did under ZZ.
And Kovacic isn't a bad player by any means. He'd probably start for alot of the top teams. He has got bundles of quality and talent but I feel wirh his desire to leave he isn't a player we'll rue leaving.
And Kovacic isn't a bad player by any means. He'd probably start for alot of the top teams. He has got bundles of quality and talent but I feel wirh his desire to leave he isn't a player we'll rue leaving.
halamadrid2- Ballon d'Or Contender
- Club Supported :
Posts : 25594
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
I’m not insisting Thiago will come, rather we will be a MF short and they have stated from beginning if Kova leaves, bring in another. i agree with Hala that we should see what Ceballos can do, but I also agree he is not Modric.
I also agree re Kovacic, he’s not a bad player, but his style of reckless trots forward are not conductive to Lopetequi style, much like Theo will be a misfit with these tactics. I think at end of day, Odriozola or Carvajal will play on left when necessary.
I also agree re Kovacic, he’s not a bad player, but his style of reckless trots forward are not conductive to Lopetequi style, much like Theo will be a misfit with these tactics. I think at end of day, Odriozola or Carvajal will play on left when necessary.
futbol_bill- Fan Favorite
- Club Supported :
Posts : 7284
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
what happened to the spanish LB? even if Theo lives, who is that LB that fits Lopetegui's style.
ps: please dont mention Marcos Alonso lol, he is not a left back
ps: please dont mention Marcos Alonso lol, he is not a left back
Mr Nick09- Forum Legend
- Club Supported :
Posts : 31600
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
There is none. Alba - no thanks, Monreal - too old and limited, Alonso - I agree with you, Azpili - acceptable, but naturally right, and these days much like Nacho, more CB.
futbol_bill- Fan Favorite
- Club Supported :
Posts : 7284
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
I might add that Nacho was quite impressive as a lateral for NT. It was on right and he is naturally left.
I would be ok if he eventually replaced Marcelo!
I would be ok if he eventually replaced Marcelo!
futbol_bill- Fan Favorite
- Club Supported :
Posts : 7284
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
I can also add that I have an impressive primo (17 year old) lateral with Real Oviedo, but as I’m his agent, I’ll refrain from mentioning him further!
futbol_bill- Fan Favorite
- Club Supported :
Posts : 7284
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
I still haven't heard anything about Theo leaving, but here are some options that haven't already been discussed:
Grimaldo, Aaron Martin, Toni Lato, Gaya
This is just for backup LB, so I'm not too bothered.
We have been rumored with Aaron Martin in the past I believe.
Grimaldo, Aaron Martin, Toni Lato, Gaya
This is just for backup LB, so I'm not too bothered.
We have been rumored with Aaron Martin in the past I believe.
VanDeezNuts- Fan Favorite
- Club Supported :
Posts : 5869
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
Marcelo was never a great athlete and i think he is struggling more and more come the end of the season. Look at his game vs Bayern, he was frankly embarrassing. For all the positive things he does going forward, i fear that he faces someone like Mbappe and gets rekt.
So to me, it's just not a back up role. Fullback is just too important a position in the modern game and marcelo is no CR, he definitely doesnt look like the type who cares about his body as much.
So to me, it's just not a back up role. Fullback is just too important a position in the modern game and marcelo is no CR, he definitely doesnt look like the type who cares about his body as much.
Mr Nick09- Forum Legend
- Club Supported :
Posts : 31600
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
Again, this is a transitional year. Theo goes out on loan ( or not) as per rumours and given lateness in market, Marcelo is king and backup is Nacho / Odriozola or Carvajal.
There is no mystery here!
There is no mystery here!
futbol_bill- Fan Favorite
- Club Supported :
Posts : 7284
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
Nacho should be the third option to start at LB or RB. he should only play there if we have emergencies. And i have never seen Carjaval play on the left, let alone Odriozola. Why would you even want that type of risk?
Theo is staying and backing up Marcelo if anything.
Theo is staying and backing up Marcelo if anything.
Mr Nick09- Forum Legend
- Club Supported :
Posts : 31600
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
Odriozola has never played LB any time I sat down and watched a La Real match (which was a decent to good amount). I have never seen Dani play LB either. We loan out Theo or sell him outright and we'll be short a LB. I do hope the club uses a bit of sense with that one.
Theo can improve, he is 20, defenders take time to actually get really good at their role (unless you're Maldini, Nesta, Bergomi, der Kaiser and their ilk). Do we not remember the train wreck that was Marcelo at 20?
Theo can improve, he is 20, defenders take time to actually get really good at their role (unless you're Maldini, Nesta, Bergomi, der Kaiser and their ilk). Do we not remember the train wreck that was Marcelo at 20?
Doc- World Class Contributor
- Club Supported :
Posts : 15989
Join date : 2011-06-05
Age : 37
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
Both Theo and Kovacic exhibited traits last year, i.e. reckless forward motion that usually ended up with loss of possession plus crosses with no direction to anyone in particular, that were not conductive to tactics Lopetequi likes to employ. If they can adapt to more direct passes / crosses, more controlled forward motion then possibly they can contribute!
futbol_bill- Fan Favorite
- Club Supported :
Posts : 7284
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
Doc, Arbeloa never played left until he came to Madrid. Defenders can switch fairly easily. I.e. Ramos a RB but plays LCB. azpili, Nacho, etc etc
futbol_bill- Fan Favorite
- Club Supported :
Posts : 7284
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
Versatility is a skill that not everyone can have. So instead of going into the season with a natural back up you want us to try our hand at transforming a RB? that doesnt make sense.
In any case, i think the club keenly understands the importance of doubling positions, and that's why they signed Odriozola. They wont let Theo leave without replacing him, that i am sure of.
In any case, i think the club keenly understands the importance of doubling positions, and that's why they signed Odriozola. They wont let Theo leave without replacing him, that i am sure of.
Last edited by Mr Nick09 on Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:45 pm; edited 1 time in total
Mr Nick09- Forum Legend
- Club Supported :
Posts : 31600
Join date : 2011-06-05
Page 14 of 40 • 1 ... 8 ... 13, 14, 15 ... 27 ... 40
Similar topics
» Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
» Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
» Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
» Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
» Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
» Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
» Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
» Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
» Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc
Page 14 of 40
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
Today at 11:25 am by Warrior
» Mbappe signs for Real Madrid.
Today at 6:50 am by Thimmy
» Paul Pogba - The resurgence
Yesterday at 6:00 pm by Warrior
» Serie A 2024/2025
Yesterday at 5:46 pm by Robespierre
» Erik Ten Hag Sack Watch
Yesterday at 7:10 am by Glory
» The Official Real Madrid Matchday Thread 24 - 25
Yesterday at 5:30 am by Clutch
» Mbappe to Real Madrid - Official
Thu Oct 03, 2024 9:55 pm by Harmonica
» The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club IV
Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:33 pm by Harmonica
» MLS-thread
Thu Oct 03, 2024 6:44 am by Harmonica
» Champions League '24/25
Thu Oct 03, 2024 6:40 am by Thimmy
» General Games Discussion
Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:19 pm by Thimmy
» Premier League 2024/25
Wed Oct 02, 2024 7:48 am by Glory
» Jose Mourinho Sack Watch: Fenerbahce Edition
Mon Sep 30, 2024 3:47 pm by futbol_bill