Is Simeone's Atleti cycle finished?

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Post by Helmer Mon May 17, 2021 10:57 pm

But he is not talking about cycle as such. He said, Simeone would quit Atletico meaning he can't rebuild again.

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Post by Helmer Mon May 17, 2021 11:02 pm

El Gunner wrote:calma Helmet, the Liverpool thread won't turn out the same
Right now he is anyways into Farteta thread with his latest agenda. Just wondering where he would go next.

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Post by Hapless_Hans Tue May 18, 2021 12:13 am

Helmer wrote:But he is not talking about cycle as such. He said, Simeone would quit Atletico meaning he can't rebuild again.


The league is trash. Simeone's Atletico is on life support and has been for years. They are a shadow of the team they used to be, so I don't know why you're @ting me
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Post by Duronto-Roddur Wed May 19, 2021 6:18 pm

Do hope Atletico manages to win the league. Otherwise it would be a chock job of epic proportion. No

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Post by futbol_bill Wed May 19, 2021 7:04 pm

I think they won it last weekend in final 15 minutes of their game. Quite frankly they deserve it. They have been best team most of season. Granted both Madrid and Barca came back to make it a competition. The claims that Madrid is best because they won the most between contenders is laughable.La liga is a season long  competition against all 20 teams!

But you have to also bear in mind that both this season and last were sub par for all three of these teams, whether it be due to Covid (both financial and absence of fans) or poor recruitment management. I believe history with Mark these seasons with an asterisk.
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Post by Chad31 Thu May 20, 2021 5:54 am

Still bothered that the team you support won la liga with no cr replacement, one year later still trying to shit on it with no real argument, just writing a bunch of words and now you want alteti to win to praise llorente, when pushing a narrative means more than supporting your team in a title race, bet you felt relieved when the team lost to Chelsea, how else you can say a CL semi final exit is subpar Laughing, what a joke when the goalscoring god cr fighting not to be in europa oh wait it's the team fault, cause he ain't apart of the team when they lose.

Atleti and barca have subpar for couple seasons and rm to lesser extent imo, especially this season the team has done really well regardless of people like to overreact to every loss like its Christmas, the team has been better overall than the other contenders nothing laughable about it, just too many injuries which is a fact, fit rm walks la liga and beat Chelsea, not to discredit their win, the team had a lot issues that just being glossed over, for a narrative.

If atletico wins good for them now they can be all smug for the summer.

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Post by futbol_bill Thu May 20, 2021 2:44 pm

Chad, has it ever occurred to you, that not everyone is like you an agenda poster?

How am I not supporting my team! Posting what I think is reality is not dumping on my team. I am one of only 3 or 4 on here that is regularly following and supporting team! I did make a post some time ago about how well Llorente has turned out, but he has long since been out of RM picture. I am also a supporter of Spanish NT and thus my interest!

I also have been heavily in favor of your obsession. He has had a phenomenal year. And I do think club has done well with the depleted squad of mostly backups and Castilla candidates. But la liga is a season long competition against 20 teams and the winner is best team over the entire season, not based on paper or better team at a given moment.
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Post by S Sat May 22, 2021 6:53 pm

Two Liga's in a two team monopoly league is a phenomenal achievement

Congrats to them
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Post by Cruijf Sat May 22, 2021 7:12 pm

The same number of ligas CR won Laughing
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Post by Kaladin Sat May 22, 2021 7:40 pm

A league title before and after the virus Griezmann, no coincidence
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Post by FennecFox7 Sat May 22, 2021 8:55 pm

Cruijf wrote:The same number of ligas CR won Laughing


CR hasn’t been our player in three years now. Rent free.

If Perez doesn’t back zizou in the transfer market that has to be the final straw. It would also be understandable since Zidane bought hazard and jovic. Tough situation.
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Post by BarcaLearning Sat May 22, 2021 9:33 pm

Has Atletico really progressed though? If yes not much, I still think they arent anything special, more to do with the drop in Real and Barca's quality this season, injuries, luck, etc. Razz
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Post by Arquitecto Sat May 22, 2021 10:39 pm

Okay you salty ass queen.


Nobody said Atletico is special as they have been passed their cycle for over 5 years.

But capitalising over Real Madrid with their trophy laden squad and a Barça Messi is still a huge achievement. Who in the world do Atleti have even worth writing home about?


Happy for them.
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Post by BarcaLearning Sat May 22, 2021 10:48 pm

Never said its not an achievement Razz I just mean in terms of the team's quality or their team's play or 'cycle' looked stagnant at best. Im glad to be shown wrong in some areas, but I just think overall they havent improved, especially in defense.

If things dont improve next season with Barca and Real would be happy to see Atletico continue the success tbh, that is if they dont play too boring football Razz
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Post by Lucifer Sun May 23, 2021 6:56 am

People need stop with the bullshit argument that "One team won because other teams were not good enough". It's the basic concept of sports, better team wins. Imagine someone saying Usain Bolt won only because other runners were not fast enough.

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Post by Duronto-Roddur Sun May 23, 2021 9:30 am

Great points @Arquitecto and @Lucifer

BTW, Simone should leave. He needs a new challenge and Atletico needs a rebuild.

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Post by Myesyats Sun May 23, 2021 10:35 am

Lucifer wrote:People need stop with the bullshit argument that "One team won because other teams were not good enough". It's the basic concept of sports, better team wins. Imagine someone saying Usain Bolt won only because other runners were not fast enough.

I dont think its incorrect to say. Its not that Atletico was better than usual, Barca and Real were worse than usual.

Atletico gets around ~80 points every season consistently meanwhile the winner was usually on ~90 points usually. Simple maths bruh

10 years ago the winner was sitting on 100 points. 13/14 atleti was more impressive since they got 90pts which they never get.
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Post by Helmer Sun May 23, 2021 12:37 pm

Lucifer wrote:People need stop with the bullshit argument that "One team won because other teams were not good enough". It's the basic concept of sports, better team wins. Imagine someone saying Usain Bolt won only because other runners were not fast enough.

I am glad someone said that.
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Helmer wrote:But he is not talking about cycle as such. He said, Simeone would quit Atletico meaning he can't rebuild again.


The league is trash. Simeone's Atletico is on life support and has been for years. They are a shadow of the team they used to be, so I don't know why you're @ting me

So what basically you are saying is, Bayern keep winning titles again and again as Bundesliga has been shit like forever, right !
You can only do as much as needed in the given circumstances. In the season when Leicester won the title, there were probably others who could have achieved Leicester's points in total but they did not. So it does not matter really what others do, all that matters is how you stay ahead of others in the league when season ends.
The argument what you are saying for Atletico does not mean anything with the reference of this season. It does not prove at all that Atletico are finished. In fact, they are very much in the process of fine tuning their squad and this title win will give them a great leverage to adjust the squad with quality options.

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Post by futbol_bill Sun May 23, 2021 1:30 pm

Atleti were best team in la liga, nothing more to be said, but congrats to them. Could have, would have, should have just doesn’t cut it. Rather it is a sign of poor losers.

Futbol in general is off this year, partially due to covid impacts; lack of fans in stadium (i still think this has a large impact on game intensity), financial, and players out fairly regularly due to covid tests. That coupled with a rash of injuries to some clubs like Liverpool and R. Madrid. So sure you can say Real and Barca were below their normal, but isn’t that true to all teams in all ligas? The fact of the matter is both Barca and Madrid are in a down cycle is due to poor recruitment over the past 4 years!

As a comparison, you don’t hear Liverpool fans saying they should have won their liga!
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Post by farfan Sun May 23, 2021 1:50 pm

Cruijf wrote:The same number of ligas CR won Laughing


We're comparing managers' trophy cabinets to players' now? smh.
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Post by Clutch Sun May 23, 2021 2:20 pm

Lucifer wrote:People need stop with the bullshit argument that "One team won because other teams were not good enough". It's the basic concept of sports, better team wins. Imagine someone saying Usain Bolt won only because other runners were not fast enough.
I agree but the Usain bolt analogy doesnt check out. His competition were the fastest runners ever recorded it's just that Usain bolt was that fast. Hate to be that "well actually" guy but what Usain did was an anomaly

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Post by Myesyats Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:28 pm

best paid manager and by quite a margin, wow

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Post by Winter is Coming Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:15 am

I think Simeone doesn't get much in bonus since it seems they probably just pay him out every season rather specific objects are met or not. Pep gets more then that, but his are probably covered in his bonus, so he probably makes as much or more and I believe the same is with Klopp with bonus his is probably higher.

Crazy to see how much money the PL has, Conte at Spurs gets paid more then Nagelsmann at Bayern, Carlo at Madrid and Allegri at Juve Laughing
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Post by Myesyats Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:54 am

It's monthly salary. So Simeone earns 40m gross regardless of goals reached or not whereas Pep earns 22m

how much does Pep get in bonuses? 10m bonus if he wins CL but we know the bald fraud doesn't do that

does he get 18m in bonuses a year?
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Post by Doc Fri Mar 25, 2022 1:06 am

Wait, that's 3 million a month?! No wonder they don't fire him because they can't.
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Post by sportsczy Fri Mar 25, 2022 1:37 am

Doc wrote:Wait, that's 3 million a month?! No wonder they don't fire him because they can't.

I really have to doubt the validity of these numbers lol. He's getting paid more than Mbappe.
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