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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:47 pm

Agree with Tom.

Although I don't trust WWE with the group dynamic lol, they just use it as an excuse to put over someone as a super hero and make everyone in the group look bad.

Honestly I wouldn't even mind if they book him in a feud with Miz to win the IC title for a while to establish himself again and once he's clearly needed in the main event go from there.

I'd also like them to build the sister abigail stuff into a story line but I'm not even sure they are even considering that.


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Post by Tomwin Lannister Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:50 pm

Yeah that's the other problem, when ur in a group you lose like 50% of your credibility per person to make everybody look weak apart from the lad who destroys 7 400 pound men on his own
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:05 pm

I suppose the plus point is that their isn't really any superhero type guys in SmackDown lol.

There's Cena but he isn’t really booked like that anymore.
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Post by RealGunner Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:54 pm

I don't keep up with RAW as much and only some segments, but is reigns still booked strong?
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Post by zizzle Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:00 pm

He's their US champ if that answers your question. For some reason Vince thinks that fans will warm up to him if he books him the exact same way without being in the main event.
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Post by Pedram Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:13 pm

Reigns has upped his mic work since he lost the the title though, he's not as bland as he was.

His superman punch is still annoying AF, should find a better finisher.
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Post by RealGunner Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:15 pm

Does he still say his GOAT catchphrase?
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Post by Onyx Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:15 pm

WM season should be good if Goldberg returns along with Rock, Taker, HHH, Lesnar etc. Actual stars.

Right now RAW/SD is just a bunch of glorified midcarders in main event spots. Heard a divas match main evented RAW last week. Laughing

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Post by McLewis Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:15 pm

That catchphrase is anything, but GOAT Laughing

Also - Reading that Becky Lynch suffered an injury and was pulled from the card for No Mercy. The initial reports say she'll be out for about a month and should be ready for the next PPV. No news on whether the match itself is cancelled or whether she'll have to vacate her title.

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Post by Pedram Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:48 pm

They'll probably change it to a battle royal with Alexa Bliss winning it. don't think WWE would've given her the title this fast but with Becky's injury it clears the way for them to give Alexa a huge push, she deserve it though, she's clearly talented and can cut good promos, also got the "look factor".
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:43 pm

Onyx wrote:WM season should be good if Goldberg returns along with Rock, Taker, HHH, Lesnar etc. Actual stars.

Right now RAW/SD is just a bunch of glorified midcarders in main event spots. Heard a divas match main evented RAW last week. Laughing


Goldberg and Lesnar Laughing Oh great two part time guys who can't work or talk.

The Rock will appear for one night and disappear again Laughing but i'm supposed to believe that's great as well, Taker's appearances last year were just fantastic as well i suppose?

As for the Women main eventing? so what i bet you was laughing when Trish and Lita did over Jericho, Batista, HHH and HBK?

More clueless MT Proud Also didn't you say you haven't watched the product in ages? so how would you know exactly who's doing what? Miz has been cutting better promos than those so called "stars" you mention have done in a decade.

Raw has been utter dogshit since the draft due to dreadful booking and writing, but Smackdown hasn't and hell they have made me care about the Usos, Heath Slater, Miz and some respects Ziggler lmao.

Couldn't give a shit about star power who isn't actually good anymore, would take a Dean Ambrose( and i remain critical of his ring work) every day of the week over a "star" because he puts out quality work on the mic each and every week.

Taker? i have wanted him to retire since 2010. Brock has been boring AF since he suplexed Cena a million times, Goldberg Laughing done nothing since 2004, The Rock? hasn't been the same since he left in 2004 and the idea of appearing once cutting the same promo and leaving doesn't excite me and HHH? please Laughing He cuts the same authority McMahon runs shit promo every damn time and is a plague of WWE since it started at WM2000.

None of these guys are actually good anymore and are living off a reputation which is like a decade old, they are stars based on what they did 7-12 years ago because it certainly isn't what they do now.

Boring AF, every single one of them, The Rock and Wyatts segment at WM near enough sent me into a coma.
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Post by M99 Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:51 pm

RealGunner wrote:I don't keep up with RAW as much and only some segments, but is reigns still booked strong?


I watch on YouTube and he is booked stupidly strong.

Hes been feuding with Rusev for almost 3 months and except for once, every single RAW, he has beaten the shit out of Rusev. Even this past RAW Rusev superkicked him to the crowd but Reigns came back and superman punched him. And also he beat Kevin Owens clean in a cage match.

Current booking dictates he's winning Universal Championship on Wrestlemania. Probably will beat Lesnar for it.
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Post by RealGunner Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:53 pm

lmaoooooo


Wwe probably thought they can try and be sly and move him to US title so fans think he isn't being given a super push rofl

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:54 pm

In fairness if he has the US title it keeps him out of the main event until he loses it Laughing
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Post by Onyx Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:00 pm

Meh. Until the current crappy roster produces legit megastars, I'll take 50 year old legends over them.

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Post by RealGunner Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:08 pm

AJ is a megastar
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Post by Onyx Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:12 pm

Agreed. It's unfortunate she had to retire though. hmm

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:14 pm

Onyx wrote:Meh. Until the current crappy roster produces legit megastars, I'll take 50 year old legends over them.


Let's face it, even if they were megastars you wouldn't give them a chance to prove it which was proven earlier in the year as you were judging new talent based on your expectations of Daniel Bryan and CM Punk. The same Daniel Bryan and CM Punk who took nigh on 5 years to achieve such status.

The roster is fine anyway, not their fault the people writing the show are morons.

Wanna drop some knowledge on the whole idea of stars tbh, 95-96 is considered until now the worst year in the history of the company for financial reasons. ( had consistently worse ratings too)

You know who was on the roster then? The Rock, Stone Cold, Bret Hart, HBK, Undertaker, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, HHH and so on.

The same group of guys who went on to become mega stars for the most part during the monday night wars because the creative teams got their head out of their asses.

But nobody give a shit until that point, talent means *bleep* all if the creative and writing team are *bleep* useless.



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Post by Pedram Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:19 pm

Onyx wrote:Meh. Until the current crappy roster produces legit megastars, I'll take 50 year old legends over them.

You do realize that mega stars don't just appear out of the blue ? none of the guys you mentioned were stars from their very first day.

Strength and charisma can only get you so far in wrestling, it's good booking and writing that makes the fans care about a wrestler.
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Post by Onyx Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:24 pm

It's common knowledge that creative sucks and that's never going to change. It's not the fans problem if creative sucks or not. They simply deserve the best product. The easiest thing to do at this point is to bring back stars.

More stars = more reason to watch imo. I'm not going to tune into RAW to watch Reigns vs Rusev or Rollins vs Balor. I will however tune to see Lesnar and Goldberg. I'm not going to tune into SD to watch Ambrose or Styles, I will however tune into see Rock or HHH. Even if they are old and not as good, it's still more of a reason to watch imo.

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Post by RealGunner Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:32 pm

wow
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Post by RealGunner Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:32 pm

Oh its because of the presidential debate
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:43 pm

RealGunner wrote:Oh its because of the presidential debate


Why would that matter? it's on the network lol, people are already paying for it in subscriptions and it's on demand.

Baffling decision to me lol.


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Post by Onyx Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:43 pm

Pedram wrote:
Onyx wrote:Meh. Until the current crappy roster produces legit megastars, I'll take 50 year old legends over them.

You do realize that mega stars don't just appear out of the blue ? none of the guys you mentioned were stars from their very first day.

Strength and charisma can only get you so far in wrestling, it's good booking and writing that makes the fans care about a wrestler.

Like I said though, as a fan I don't care about where the stars come from. I don't care about booking or creative. I just want the best product on a weekly basis. If the product sucks, then people won't watch. And the ratings nowadays reflect that.

Back in 1996 Rock/Austin were there, but they weren't legit stars yet. Then the writing/character development improved, they became stars and the ratings gradually went up. But the thing is it's all about now. Fans are tuning out, we haven't got 3-4 years or time for the creative to improve. At this point the easiest solution is to bring back the older stars so there's more of a reason to watch.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:46 pm

Onyx wrote:
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Onyx wrote:Meh. Until the current crappy roster produces legit megastars, I'll take 50 year old legends over them.

You do realize that mega stars don't just appear out of the blue ? none of the guys you mentioned were stars from their very first day.

Strength and charisma can only get you so far in wrestling, it's good booking and writing that makes the fans care about a wrestler.

Like I said though, as a fan I don't care about where the stars come from. I don't care about booking or creative. I just want the best product on a weekly basis. If the product sucks, then people won't watch. And the ratings nowadays reflect that.

Back in 1996 Rock/Austin were there, but they weren't legit stars yet. Then the writing/character development improved, they became stars and the ratings gradually went up. But the thing is it's all about now. Fans are tuning out, we haven't got 3-4 years or time for the creative to improve. At this point the easiest solution is to bring back the older stars so there's more of a reason to watch.


Yeah but don't you realize that isn't the talents fault? As i said before that roster was as stacked as any but nobody actually cared.

The blame squarely lies at the fault of the creative and the writing team, blaming the talent for that is silly.

You could bring back The Rock and all those legends back full time and it wouldn't change a damn thing. Hell we have seen it when they do come back, it doesn't impact the ratings at all and when Bryan was on to do the retirement thing the ratings dropped not improved.

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