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[BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by RealGunner Fri May 20, 2016 6:33 pm
BOOKS discussion
Part 1: http://www.goallegacy.net/t30951-books-game-of-thrones-for-the-literate
Part 2: http://www.goallegacy.net/t37416-books-game-of-thrones-for-the-literate
Part 1: http://www.goallegacy.net/t30951-books-game-of-thrones-for-the-literate
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Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by Jonathan28 Sun May 22, 2016 9:00 am
LOL! Seems like tonights episode has leaked due to some cable providers inadvertently giving their subscribers access to the episode early, aka HBO *bleeped* up, and thus videos and images are making their way around the internet.
If what I've read is true then I advise everyone to have a bottle of Jack Daniels with them when watching this episode, it's going to be a ride.
If what I've read is true then I advise everyone to have a bottle of Jack Daniels with them when watching this episode, it's going to be a ride.
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Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by urbaNRoots Sun May 22, 2016 11:25 am
So many revelations, so many tears...
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Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by zigra Sun May 22, 2016 8:26 pm
Ok.
Don't think there's too many spoilers in it but considering the episode hasn't aired yet.
- Spoiler:
- Euron is a pleb. Seriously I feel ashamed for telling watchers that Euron will be a goat. Getting really tired of NO ONE giving a *bleep* about king- and kinslaying.
Littlefinger teleporter device = confirmed.
Not sure about north of the wall stuff. Some revelations but I don't think I like them. Was always hoping for more than a crappy good against evil scheme but that's what we get I guess.
Rip all the wolves. Nymeria should be the last alive I think but she's probably in Gendrys boat.
Don't think there's too many spoilers in it but considering the episode hasn't aired yet.
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Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by BarrileteCosmico Sun May 22, 2016 8:52 pm
- Episode 5:
- Tons of stuff going on in the episode
Sansa "I am a true born child but Jon is not" Stark comes off as a douche, and is her plan to take power for herself? Because she knows Bran is still around...
Thought the play in Braavos was hilarious, dumb Ned Stark meme come to life. Full frontal dick scene seemed gratuitous and only there to defend HBO against gender equality criticism of nudity.
Kelly C is moving to Meereen and she will soon get a fleet. Nice to see this moving along. No dragon horn in the kingsmoot, does this mean that Victarion won't control a dragon when he gets there?
As someone that hats all things Iron Islands, I thought the kingsmoot was excellent and the baptism even better. Good to see Theon not be tortured, good to see Asha almost win it, and I think the show made the right call to scale down the crazy on Euron.
No on to Bran, holy shit! I usually thought the "Bran warged into Hodor from the past" as too far fetched but that's exactly what happened. And what did what's his Brynden Rivers mean when he said "you need to become me" ? What exactly does he do?Also, if Bran now goes beyond the wall, does this mean the Night's King can follow him there?
Also that makes 3 others killed, 2 by men with very little training, since we've never sene more than 4 on screen it can't be that hard for 20 good men armed with dragonglass to put an end to them for good?
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Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by RealGunner Sun May 22, 2016 8:55 pm
Are you kidding me
I am in tears
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Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by RealGunner Sun May 22, 2016 9:02 pm
Not even red wedding hit me this hard. Can't express enough how absolute heartbreaking that scene was.
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Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by RealGunner Sun May 22, 2016 9:26 pm
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I don't agree with BC on kingsmoot. Thought it was incredibly rushed. This Euron was a bad cast. He looks nothing like Euron should be. Nor he talks like him.
I loved Theon's performance in it though.
No dragon horn can only mean Euron will kill Vactarion which we all knew anyways. Most likely that horn is fake itself.
CoTF creating the white walkers? that makes no sense because of what we already know about the history of Westeros.
I think that was the last time Jon and Edd will ever see each other. Don't even think Jon will return to the wall ever again...
Jorah and Daenerys scene was great. One of my favourite Danys scene ever i think. Not hard though lol.
Bran... don't know where to begin...
Hodor's entire life. He has been uttering the same thing over n over. And we find out it was Actually for Bran. I want to be upset with Bran but Bloodraven knew it was going to happen. That's why he took Bran that back in the past. Not sure what Brynden Rivers meant either though.
But this means Bran can alter the past. This opens so many new possibilities. Bloodraven could have instigated the entire war of the 5 king but making Aerys the mad king lol.
Bran's mark could actually mean that if he goes to the other side of the wall, white walkers can follow him there and the wall magic is useless. Bran the builder to bran the destroyer lol. He could be the reason the wall breaks.
But what's his big role in the end?
Summer dying as well. Think Shaggydog is dead for good.
Ghost is probably next
Nymeria the last one to live i assume
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Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by BarrileteCosmico Sun May 22, 2016 9:34 pm
- Epi 5:
- Well you have to consider that I hate bookEuron, so showEuron to me is a vast improvement, even if he is on the younger side.
I'm not sure if it means Bran can change the past, because while he did, Rivers sent them back there so he could do it again, which means it was supposed to happen... I'm not sure, we're getting into sci-fi paradoxes here.
Didn't expect Bran to leave so early though, will he be in winterfell by Epi 10? And yeah Hodor held the door but how are they supposed to outrun the white walkers after that?
Also another odd thing, the WW were just standing still waiting for... what? Why are they not marching on the wall or doing anything at all?
I think Ghost and Nymeria will survive the series.
Brienne goes back to Riverrun, as well as Jaime soon, will we get the epic battle?
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Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by zigra Sun May 22, 2016 9:48 pm
BarrileteCosmico wrote:
- Episode 5:
Also that makes 3 others killed, 2 by men with very little training, since we've never sene more than 4 on screen it can't be that hard for 20 good men armed with dragonglass to put an end to them for good?
- Spoiler:
- Yeah, they don't seem too powerfull. Not yet convinced they pose an actual threat to the realm and no way they'd get past a prime Bolton army that knows about dragon glass. In fact they probably need to up their game to get past the remaining 10 (or 20?) NW men at the wall
Think the books will focus a lot more on the immorality of Bran constantly warging Hodor but the end will likely be the same I think.
@RG "No dragon horn can only mean Euron will kill Vactarion which we all knew anyways. Most likely that horn is fake itself. "
Don't agree, don't even see why you think that tbh.. but we'll see. If the dragon horn is fake, wouldn't you expect Victarion to die in Essos btw?
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Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by RealGunner Sun May 22, 2016 9:50 pm
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I hope we see a lot more of Bloodraven in the books. I assume we will because his past is still a huge mystery.
"you need to become me"
Can mean that Bloodraven was there at the tree preventing white walkers to do anything meaningful and now Bran has that responsibility.
The reason they were just standing there is probably because the magic prevented them to do anything or even cross the wall. I wonder if they knew somehow that this would happen? Night's King knew what Bran was and he is desperately after him for a reason. He probably knows Bran is the only one alive (apart from Azor Ahai) who can prevent the war between Men and WW.
I found it interesting that we consider Jon as AA however the red priestess at Mereen made a solid case for Danys to be AA as well. Just wonder if Danys is actually Jon's Nisa Nisa. I have a feeling GRRM will kill one of them two.
Bran has shown us already he can communicate in the past. He did that with Theon and with Nedd. His connection with Hodor was the strongest so he could do a lot more. But it's definitely interesting how much powerful Bran really is.
Speaking of which. Excerpt from the books on The Last Hero
"One by one his friends died, and his horse, and finally even his dog" Fits so so well with Bran...
Summer dying was a good metaphor on Winter is finally here.
Also massive props to the people who predicted years ago that Hodor was "hold the door". They just didn't know what it was for though lol
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Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by RealGunner Sun May 22, 2016 9:51 pm
zigra wrote:BarrileteCosmico wrote:
- Episode 5:
Also that makes 3 others killed, 2 by men with very little training, since we've never sene more than 4 on screen it can't be that hard for 20 good men armed with dragonglass to put an end to them for good?
- Spoiler:
Think the books will focus a lot more on the immorality of Bran constantly warging Hodor but the end will likely be the same I think.
@RG "No dragon horn can only mean Euron will kill Vactarion which we all knew anyways. Most likely that horn is fake itself. "
Don't agree, don't even see why you think that tbh.. but we'll see. If the dragon horn is fake, wouldn't you expect Victarion to die in Essos btw?
- Spoiler:
Depends if the Dusky Woman is Euron himself or not
but that's a good point
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Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by RealGunner Sun May 22, 2016 9:57 pm
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Oh and, I am confident we will get coldhands now or even Uncle Ben protecting Bran. One of the either has to show up.
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Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by zigra Sun May 22, 2016 10:01 pm
Dusky woman = Euron convinces me tbh.
Pretty sure Jon and Dany won't both survive the books&show. Can see either one of them or more likely both dying. We need to get rid of them all anyway to establish a democratic system in Westeros
Pretty sure Jon and Dany won't both survive the books&show. Can see either one of them or more likely both dying. We need to get rid of them all anyway to establish a democratic system in Westeros
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Agree with BC that it seems unlikely Meera can outrun the whole army carrying Bran. How long did it take to kill Hodor? 30 seconds? A minute maybe? Can actually see ColdBenjen saving them because there's just no way they can make it on their own. Not even if we ignore the Others and the zombies.
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Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by RealGunner Sun May 22, 2016 10:04 pm
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When bloodraven said "you need to become me".
You think when bloodraven first had a thought/vision about him needing to go north. Think it could be bran who told him to go there?
would be a huge mindf*ck
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Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by zigra Sun May 22, 2016 10:31 pm
- Spoiler:
- Nah don't think they'll go too heavy on the time travelling thing.
Might find out Bran is responsible for the mad king turning mad though.
God I want WoW.
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by zigra Sun May 22, 2016 11:10 pm
Btw I guess by now we can assume the leaks http://www.idigitaltimes.com/game-thrones-season-6-spoilers-who-wins-battle-winterfell-deleted-reddit-thread-tells-534076 are all spot on when everything else was spot on so far (I think?).
Contains spoilers for whole season 6 so don't read if you don't want to get spoiled and so on..
Contains spoilers for whole season 6 so don't read if you don't want to get spoiled and so on..
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Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by BarrileteCosmico Sun May 22, 2016 11:29 pm
Christ wish I didn't read that
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I refuse to believe that Benjen is alive in the books, in the show he just seems to take up the Coldhands role.
Also Sam the Slayer going back to the wall with a Valyrian sword
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by zigra Sun May 22, 2016 11:34 pm
- Spoiler:
- Coldhands isn't Benjen (that piece is legit) so I guess they just went for a character we already know instead of introducing someone new. We still could get Benjen in the books at some point though to be fair.
Will be interesting to learn how he survived for so long though.. of course that is if we don't get an undead Benjen.
But seriously the ending regarding Ramsay? Really just WTF do they love so much about him? Why not send him to the wall and make him LC
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by M99 Mon May 23, 2016 6:31 am
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/4klqi7/spoilers_extended_the_books_already_told_us_who/
Mind *bleep* blown.
GRRM you mad basket.
Mind *bleep* blown.
GRRM you mad basket.
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Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by zigra Mon May 23, 2016 9:51 am
Well of course there would be foreshadowing, GRRM would never do something without it
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by zigra Mon May 23, 2016 10:07 am
Btw I'm really curious about how the WW will invade the cave in the books. Not sure but iirc Bran doesn't walk around in his visions like in the show but is more a spirit watching the show. Could anyone see him trying to warg a WW?
That is if it happens in the books of course. Maybe bloodraven just dies of a cold.
Oh and btw I don't actually think Bran caused the mad king to turn mad. I think for show watchers that might seem reasonable because they don't know too much? But we know that he didn't go mad without a reason from one day to another. Just read up the story: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Aerys_II_Targaryen
To blame that on Bran would only work in the show where people don't know a lot about the mad king.
That is if it happens in the books of course. Maybe bloodraven just dies of a cold.
Oh and btw I don't actually think Bran caused the mad king to turn mad. I think for show watchers that might seem reasonable because they don't know too much? But we know that he didn't go mad without a reason from one day to another. Just read up the story: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Aerys_II_Targaryen
To blame that on Bran would only work in the show where people don't know a lot about the mad king.
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Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by M99 Mon May 23, 2016 11:06 am
Hodor=hold the door on books too. Something similar will definitely happen but I really don't know how.
Also I'm not even sure 3 Eyed Crow is Bloodraven on the show. I was pretty sure that he will give Bran Dark Sister to give to Jon. Still think that will happen in the books.
Also I'm not even sure 3 Eyed Crow is Bloodraven on the show. I was pretty sure that he will give Bran Dark Sister to give to Jon. Still think that will happen in the books.
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Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate
by RealGunner Mon May 23, 2016 1:01 pm
They never really said who he is in the show but that's probably to minimise character development. A random old guy = no one gives a shit about him. If they said it's bloodraven then people probably wanted more of him.
In the books we will get a lot of him.
I am not sure if the cave incident will actually happen the way it did in the show. Isn't Jojen alive still?
In the books we will get a lot of him.
I am not sure if the cave incident will actually happen the way it did in the show. Isn't Jojen alive still?
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by RealGunner Mon May 23, 2016 1:01 pm
zigra wrote:Btw I guess by now we can assume the leaks http://www.idigitaltimes.com/game-thrones-season-6-spoilers-who-wins-battle-winterfell-deleted-reddit-thread-tells-534076 are all spot on when everything else was spot on so far (I think?).
Contains spoilers for whole season 6 so don't read if you don't want to get spoiled and so on..
too weak
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one stark dies
who?
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