Real Madrid vs Sporting Gijón

I need to rewatch the first half again, but i saw two very clear improvement from anything we had done before in this game.

MIdfield spacing was very disciplined, specially Isco who maintained shape and was following the ball to provide an passing option, more so than running forward to await a pass.

The forwards were CONSISTENTLY dropping back in turn to allow the midfielders to pass forward, and to generate runs on either side. I saw CR doing it, Bale did it and savaged the right side with carvajal, and Benzema played even deeper this game than last (i need to compare how many touches he had between both games to test my theory).

Hope it continues this way

Thats something i noticed too. We saw too much of a big space between the mids and attackers in Rafa and Carlo days. Many times youd literally see a 424. In the last two games though i have seen Bale immediately drop back into the midfield when we have the ball similar to how Ronaldo did it on the other side a couple of seasons ago

Our formations looks like a 4222 when attacking with Isco doing what Bale does but on the other side. That leaves Ronaldo to roam around and Benzema to go where Ronaldo isnt. I have to say i actually enjoyed this Madrid for once. Winning the ball back quick and everyone being involved. Kroos also has his Carlo role back thank god because he is a guy that does the simple stuff good and when he is asked to do more struggles alittle bit. I love those diagonal balls of his, always where it needs to go

Soon we will be playing Malaga away, Roma and Atleti. If we play like this then, i am going to be ecstatic

Can't really judge anything in the second half. The game was killed off and the players knew it. Sporting were never going to pose a threat in the second half.

sportsczy wrote:

The Demon of Carthage wrote:So instead of playing Kova in his natural position and James in his, it's better to play them both out of position because it's the only way James can survive at Real Madrid? I'm sorry, it's a little bit tough to swallow.

I still think his subs were quite messed up.

It is because James has absolutely no future on the wing for us... none. So you either need to make a him a CM or you have to sell him. The more data you have, the better you're able to make that decision.

The game wasn't in doubt. So it was all about data gathering, good or bad.

Sports - what makes you say James has no future as a winger for us?

Bale, three weeks out.

I hear what Sports is saying in that when you play a 433, you want your wide attackers to provide speed and the 1v1 quality to beat players and create chances. James is not at all that kind of player.

If someone ask us to build our perfect 11, choosing any player we want, most wouldnt even suggest James up there.

To leverage James talent we need to line up differently, like a 4222 or 442, something like that. So do we love james so much that we need to adapt the system to him? i personally i wouldnt do it

It shouldn't even be a question. The team comes first. If James (or anybody for that matter) has to be sacrificed for us to be playing like gods I wouldn't even waste a blink of an eye on it. He knows the deal when he signed up for it. Real Madrid is the toughest club in the world and every single player knows it.

Or you basically have to make Carvajal a wingback and drop Modric into more a cover role so James can roam inside without killing the team shape... that's what Monaco did with Fabinho/Toulalan or Obbadi. It allowed James to be a quasi 10 although his starting position was wide.

The other big issue with it is that Monaco always played a pure 9 as did Porto. So there was room for a creative winger/10 to operate. With Benzema, you don't need it. It's basically wasting a position.

Also, I think Modric is a much better player than James so i wouldn't sacrifice him like that.

If there's heat, Flo will just buy a bunch of superstars and spend lavishly so people's attention is diverted... he won't resign.

I think you should stop asking yourself why we bought Bale. He's turning out to be one heck of a player.

Back in the other madrid forum i think several posters (including myself) did a good job at rationally explaining Bale's weaknesses as a player. This included topics such as work rate, positional awareness and intelligence, agility, ball control and management, turn control, ability to function in small spaces, ball hugging, right foot use, etc.

What Bale has recently done is actually get closer to do the job of a smart and hard working footballer but i think he still hasn't reached the intensity and consistency levels needed in top level competition and which James showed from the get go as RAM and even Jese showed (and i guess still does).

Good example of this was the embarrassing difference in positioning that was noticeable when Bale cost us the game against Valencia last year and Carlo subbed him off for Jese, who proceeded to move, run, and defend better than Bale.

Its actually not a great reflection on Bale for him to be showing positive signs this late, and he has already done so in spurts anyways such as against Bilbao and Getafe last season so what we are seeing now is not really revelatory. I'd personally sell him and Ronaldo in an instant.

Hard to say... Bale has been consistently good this season. Now he's taking the step to being great. Granted, it's not against the best competition so the jury is still out on that one. But i see very good progress. Let's hope he keeps it up.

Given that Martial went for 80 mil (confirmed today as the actual contract was leaked), James for 90, etc... the market has actually caught up with his pricetag lol.

Nicolas Cage wrote:Back in the other madrid forum i think several posters (including myself) did a good job at rationally explaining Bale's weaknesses as a player. This included topics such as work rate, positional awareness and intelligence, agility, ball control and management, turn control, ability to function in small spaces, ball hugging, right foot use, etc.

What Bale has recently done is actually get closer to do the job of a smart and hard working footballer but i think he still hasn't reached the intensity and consistency levels needed in top level competition and which James showed from the get go as RAM and even Jese showed (and i guess still does).

Good example of this was the embarrassing difference in positioning that was noticeable when Bale cost us the game against Valencia last year and Carlo subbed him off for Jese, who proceeded to move, run, and defend better than Bale.

Its actually not a great reflection on Bale for him to be showing positive signs this late, and he has already done so in spurts anyways such as against Bilbao and Getafe last season so what we are seeing now is not really revelatory. I'd personally sell him and Ronaldo in an instant.

I'd argue that James might be a better RW than Bale, though with the latter's recent scintillating performances, I'm finding it harder and harder to keep thinking that way. But to put Jesé ahead of Bale? That I respectfully disagree with.

Bale is now tracking back, thinking more, ball-hogging less, less selfish and way more intelligent. Even his dribbling seems to have improved and he's more clinical than ever.

What we need to do in order to be fair to our players is to make sure to admit that they have improved or regressed. In Bale's case, not only has he improved,  he has also become one of our best players. In James' case, not only has he regressed, he has also become very unprofessional on and off the field.

Now, if you had asked me which one would I pick for my starting eleven a month ago, Bale or James, I'd go for James. If you ask me the same question now, I pick Bale.

And of course everything could change again a month from now. Everything changes, and you need to be just and fair every time to make the right decision.

Deportivo isn't mediocre though....  not at all.  That was a good win.  They played 3 games against Atleti and Barca this season and they haven't lost. They're not elite either though. Those are the true tests.

@futbol_bill: If Neymar would have been bought the year Bale was bought then maybe James or Isco would not be here and Neymar could be playing in a 442 on the left. Food for thought.

@The Demon of Carthage: Regarding Jese i was referring more in terms of movement, positioning, and thinking, can't really judge Jese atm but if i remember correctly, from what i have seen from Jese in some matches of 13/14 and 14/15 i THINK show better stuff than what Bale is showing atm in terms of that aspect of the game.

I agree that we should rate players in terms of present ability (something many in the Spanish press failed to do with Casillas for example) but the subject is also more complicated imo.

@Hala
Zidane got that 4-2-2-2 from Madrid legend Luxemburgo and his stupid ass head set.

Looks like Benz trained with the team and is ready to continue

Good to see us finally playing a pure possession style. Pressing in the opposition half is good, so is the link up play, freedom from attackers, high line etc, it's all there.

Only thing is we sit back in our own half instead of pressing as a unit. Sitting back with a highline is never a good idea.

With Isco there's better control in the midfield. However I don't really see a structure to the possession. Too much of it is in our own half and it's all very predictable. I liked the way we played against Liverpool last season, when we had James/Isco/Modric/Kroos all playing. It was all 1-2 touch and beautiful to watch. Hopefully with time Zidane implements something like that.