Juventus vs Real Madrid

Ramos in the center. I hope you've all braced yourselves for Ramos vs Vidal aka Floyd vs Paco before its anticlimax fight

Unlucky James not to score. He and Carvajal are dominating that right side

Ramos
Marcelo
Varane needs to do better too

Think we can win this game just need to keep concentration. The acre of space Tevez had for his shot is unacceptable and Ramos can't make an accurate pass to save his life

Is Ramos drunk? Terrible out there, him & Marcelo.
Isco putting in a good shift.

Carlo's got to sort out the wayward passes at half time.

Bale, Ramos, Carvajal and Marcelo. I hope the club fines them all for such an awful f-ing performance. Like, I'm honestly mad. I can't even talk straight.

Ramos thinking he's prime Xabi Alonso
Marcelo at fault for both goals
Bale flopping as usual

What an awful 2nd half. We do not look like Champions elect whether in Europe or in La Liga. Looks like a great week of football is in store. Midweek get pretty much eliminated from the CL and lose la liga to barca at the weekend.

Carvajal did not need to make that challenge. Looks like he's Ramos 2.0 in the making. Just loses his head sometimes. Against Atleti and tonight being prime examples.

Speaking of Ramos. I'll go out on a limb and coin this the worst Sergio Ramos performance ever, in which he did not get sent off.

Varane was pretty disappointing as well today.

Marcelo got better in the second half, but oh God Ramos and Bale were so awful. The heroes from last year . How the MIGHTIES have fallen

RealGunner wrote:Khedira's career is over at Madrid after his Schalke performance as a clown.

Carlo will stick with Ramos I think. But I don't think it's a good idea against Juve. It worked against Atletico because their midfield is terrible and only good for thugging/battling, hence Ramos worked to combat that. Against Juve they will keep the ball and their technical quality is immense in midfield.

I would say start Illarra instead but I don't think anyone likes him at Madrid anymore?

Another option could be to start Isco-Kroos in mid with Bale and James out wide?

Called it ffs

so ramos is a better midfielder than illarra? , just cause he make couple fluke passes , as i said and will continue to say he is shit and the team is much better without him, such a pos

bale needs to be sold asap

I don't hate a lot of things in life...... I hate Bale. I'm growing to hate Carlo and Ramos.

I really hate these people.

terrible, just terrible....no defenders besides carvajal on that counter attack leading to the penalty, that was simply a lack of discipline. defensively, bar some last ditch tackles here and there, everyone was trash. offensively we had no creativity; it was evident when we looked to just pass the ball and avoid contact. james tried, but was average for me, cristiano did well to get the goal and seemed to try and get involved in the creative process. isco - confused; played with no sense of urgency, bale, wow, this guy actually costs 100 million, he looked more like heskey out there. playing him on the right is a waste, he's stifled and has to put the ball on his left to cross, but doesn't seem to have the wit to pull that off effectively in tight spaces; like how carlo doesn't understand these things is beyond me. the away goal is good, but if we play in this manner and juve do show up, which is very possible then forget it

Hopefully Benzema is back and Ramos goes back to defense or hopefully the bench.

Kroos, Isco & James at midfield if Carlo doesn't want to play a DM in midfield.

Varane was quite bad at CB tbh. Think Carlo will go for Ramos-Pepe and Kroos-Isco/Illarra CM in the 2nd leg. Specially since you need a goal.

Ramos was shite. destroyed our midfield by himself.

and Bale . Isco is 10 times better than him right now.

Bale is done if he continues to play like this. Bernabeu will boo his ass out of Madrid.

bale starts and we are back to losing

bale lacks ideas, and that's made worse by playing him on the right. i have accepted that bale has to play, for perez' ego and carlo's job, i have accepted we just have to play with him in-spite of his deficiencies. but what's painfully obvious is he has been terrible down that flank all season, he's not robben that seems to be able to cut in at will, and obviously he can't cross from that wing. this is just ridiculous. how many players must we play out of position these days?

Not sure why Isco was subbed out. Isco and James were the only two really posing a threat and playing well.

I figured the sub would come in for let say Varane or Pepe(Illara or Lucas) then shift Ramos back into CB.

Oh, that's another guy, I hate Perez. The quicker this cancer is gone the better.

fck carlo and perez if it means watching bale getting us kicked out of the cl, he is not up to scratch every time we play a big team he is the worst player on the pitch by a mile

chad4401 wrote:fck carlo and perez if it means watching bale getting us kicked out of the cl, he is not up to scratch every time we play a big team he is the worst player on the pitch by a mile

Fck Bale for the scrub that he is.
Fck Carlo for proven that he is the biggest coward in professional sports.
Fck Perez for being the cancer that he is.

i hate bale for the same reason i hate ramos, both don't care how shit they play cause they know their gonna start the next game just because.... reasons, i hope we sell ramos this summer and bale should definitely be gone

They need to stop playing Varane at LCB...  He's not at all comfortable there.  I understand that Pepe has no left foot and can't play LCB (which he hasn't since 2009 because it was a horror show when he did).  But you might as well put Ramos there if anyone.  Marcelo being absent as a defender just puts Varane's discomfort at the position even more into focus.  We can get away with it against lesser teams... but not the good teams.

For those who are going to jump on this...  it's very common.  For example, Thuram could not play LCB for a over year but was godly at RB and RCB without any problem.  It's a question of reflexes, instincts and how comfortable you are on the ball with your left foot.

sportsczy wrote:They need to stop playing Varane at LCB...  He's not at all comfortable there.  I understand that Pepe has no left foot and can't play LCB (which he hasn't since 2009 because it was a horror show when he did).  But you might as well put Ramos there if anyone.  Marcelo being absent as a defender just puts Varane's discomfort at the position even more into focus.  We can get away with it against lesser teams... but not the good teams.

For those who are going to jump on this...  it's very common.  For example, Thuram could not play LCB for a over year but was godly at RB and RCB without any problem.  It's a question of reflexes, instincts and how comfortable you are on the ball with your left foot.

He was just bad tonight, like all most of our players. That mistake against Llorente can't be put down on playing as a LCB( I know he is a better RCB).

sportsczy wrote:They need to stop playing Varane at LCB...  He's not at all comfortable there.  I understand that Pepe has no left foot and can't play LCB (which he hasn't since 2009 because it was a horror show when he did).  But you might as well put Ramos there if anyone.  Marcelo being absent as a defender just puts Varane's discomfort at the position even more into focus.  We can get away with it against lesser teams... but not the good teams.

For those who are going to jump on this...  it's very common.  For example, Thuram could not play LCB for a over year but was godly at RB and RCB without any problem.  It's a question of reflexes, instincts and how comfortable you are on the ball with your left foot.

Is Pogab fit for the second leg?

Bale really is a useless lil shi1 honestly. Watching highlights and I really lost my temper in my room. Haven't gotten this angry since the 2-6.

As for Varane, he was not good but at the same time, he kept getting exposed by Marcelo all the time. And with us by passing the midfield because Ramos can't dictate anything (this I cannot blame him for, he is not a CM and would never be. Carlo would take fault on that), we really put a strain on our wing play. Which wasn't good either since neither full back was any good and Isco and James can only do so much.

And both of Juve's goals were really so avoidable despite their wonderful performance. Notice I said avoidable, not undeserved. Tevez did extremely well for the penalty and to find that pocket of space to shoot for Morata to tap in.