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Post by theaguia on Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:19 am

ronaldo to milan? its more likely he will go to city.

yes neymar will bring alot of money, but we are like basically bending over for him, which is not a club like real should be doing, regardless i do think that hazard is equal to neymar in terms of skills and zidane told us to buy him..

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Post by H.A. on Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:22 am

Well they do like to get older players, I'm also not sure Man City would sign a 30 year old Ronaldo but you never know
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Post by theaguia on Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:24 am

it will be to kick manu in the face signing
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:23 am

@sportsczy wrote:Why the sudden obsession with Neymar? Hazard is just as good, if not better frankly, and will cost less. Far less drama too.

Isnt Hazard now worth 35-40M? anyway, i dont think it's about how good they are now, but how good they will be tomorrow, and in that regard, Neymar has a higher ceiling. He is a bit more of a wild card, while you know what you get with Hazard, Neymar can reach place we dare not to dream of.

It's correct instinct to take a liking to Hazard tho, he is going to be one of the best in the game, and it's a safer bet.
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Post by theaguia on Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:27 am

hazard will be sold for 30m next year
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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:28 am

Neymar is just allowed to play more freely and Brazilian league defenses are nowwhere near L1... Hazard is expressing himself in a much more structured environment.

Neymar's got more flash... otherwise, Hazard is actually the better player right now and has a very, very high ceiling himself. Being the L1 player of the year at his age was amazing.

It's like the Platini v Maradona rivalry in the mid 80s. One was a complete general while the other was a technical genius. Depends which one you prefer. I don't think one is better than the other frankly.

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:40 am

Maybe Crimson and Z can chime in on this...Neymar or Hazard?

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:47 am

Czy i like Hazard, i like him a lot, but to me he is more reminiscent of a younger ribery for example. I think he will go way higher than him however. I wouldnt yet call him a midfield general as in your analogy to platini tho.

Does Hazard looki like he will be a great player, yes, it's the safest bet you can make, he can become one of the best european player of his Era, but there is an x-factor attached to Neymar imo, enough potential, flair and technique to make him one of the greatest.

Sounds a bit premature, but i think that's the kind of talent you cant overlook.
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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:51 am

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:Czy i like Hazard, i like him a lot, but to me he is more reminiscent of a younger ribery for example. I think he will go way higher than him however. I wouldnt yet call him a midfield general as in your analogy to platini tho.

Does Hazard looki like he will be a great player, yes, it's the safest bet you can make, he can become one of the best european player of his Era, but there is an x-factor attached to Neymar imo, enough potential, flair and technique to make him one of the greatest.

Sounds a bit premature, but i think that's the kind of talent you cant overlook.

Hazard's a forward (Ozil style), not really a CM... i was making the analogy more to compare different styles, both of which can be very effective.

I also am a little concerned that we will have too many players that require the ball at their feet with Ozil, Sahin, CR7, Benzema and Neymar. You need players to do the dirty work too (running, defending, screening, etc.).

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Post by theaguia on Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:55 am

khedria and coentrao
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:58 am

It's all part of the learning process, that part will be steeper for Neymar, but at the same time, Greatness comes with work, so if he gets that, he will shine.

Our forwards are aready learning that, Neymar will just follow. If even Ronaldo is tracking back, really no payer can have an excuse.


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Post by guest7 on Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:13 am

id much rather get none of them and stay with di magia
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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:35 am

Hazard is a better player right now and has bags of space to grow

Neymar has a higher roof ceiling plus a better market set up already for him

Play in very different styles/positions

Neymar has Brasil one of the biggest and most supported national teams, Hazard has Belgium....

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Post by Zees on Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:48 pm

we should make a pool, neymar vs hazard scratch
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:49 pm

unproductive really, we are not trying to sign Hazard. but for argument sake, why not
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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:53 pm

I think we make a push for Hazard... he's one of Zidane's targets.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:54 pm

what for Sportsczy?
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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:56 pm

He's one of those kids that will give us a two year look and feels he can beat anyone. He's willing to compete and see how it goes... besides, i don't think many clubs other than us will meet his transfer + wages demands given FFP is right there next summer.

He'll replace Kaka on our roster.

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Post by guest7 on Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:57 pm

I still think we don't buy any of them and keep Di Maria.
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Post by ÖMARz on Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:58 pm

@sportsczy wrote:He's one of those kids that will give us a two year look and feels he can beat anyone. He's willing to compete and see how it goes... besides, i don't think many clubs other than us will meet his transfer + wages demands given FFP is right there next summer.

He'll replace Kaka on our roster.

im all in for this.

player + cash deal ...kaka + 15mil for hazard.

win/win situation.

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:58 pm

Di Maria can't play AM dude. And we're looking to groom someone if CR7 wants to leave or drops in form...

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:59 pm

@ÖMARz wrote:
@sportsczy wrote:He's one of those kids that will give us a two year look and feels he can beat anyone. He's willing to compete and see how it goes... besides, i don't think many clubs other than us will meet his transfer + wages demands given FFP is right there next summer.

He'll replace Kaka on our roster.

im all in for this.

player + cash deal ...kaka + 15mil for hazard.

win/win situation.

Lille wouldn't touch Hazard with a ten foot pole lol. They would probably go out and sign 3-4 young players with that money.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sat Aug 06, 2011 1:00 pm

@sportsczy wrote:He's one of those kids that will give us a two year look and feels he can beat anyone. He's willing to compete and see how it goes... besides, i don't think many clubs other than us will meet his transfer + wages demands given FFP is right there next summer.

He'll replace Kaka on our roster.

Frankly, not a realistic scenario. What we need is a playmaker, not another forward, but a midfielder.

There is little chance he agrees to move here anyway, and it's unproductive when we have plans for Neymar already.
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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 06, 2011 1:02 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
@sportsczy wrote:He's one of those kids that will give us a two year look and feels he can beat anyone. He's willing to compete and see how it goes... besides, i don't think many clubs other than us will meet his transfer + wages demands given FFP is right there next summer.

He'll replace Kaka on our roster.

Frankly, not a realistic scenario. What we need is a playmaker, not another forward, but a midfielder.

There is little chance he agrees to move here anyway, and it's unproductive when we have plans for Neymar already.

They don't play the same position Nick. Hazard is more of a playmaker than a scorer. He's a forward in the Ozil mode. Easily converted to AM. Neymar is a CR7 type player.... loves to show and score. They're not mutually exclusive imo.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sat Aug 06, 2011 1:05 pm

@sportsczy wrote:
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@sportsczy wrote:He's one of those kids that will give us a two year look and feels he can beat anyone. He's willing to compete and see how it goes... besides, i don't think many clubs other than us will meet his transfer + wages demands given FFP is right there next summer.

He'll replace Kaka on our roster.

Frankly, not a realistic scenario. What we need is a playmaker, not another forward, but a midfielder.

There is little chance he agrees to move here anyway, and it's unproductive when we have plans for Neymar already.

They don't play the same position Nick. Hazard is more of a playmaker than a scorer. He's a forward in the Ozil mode. Easily converted to AM. Neymar is a CR7 type player.... loves to show and score. They're not mutually exclusive imo.

I know, but we cant develop all the youth in football. Neymar is going to require a lot of attention already, benzema, ozil, ronaldo still a big dog, we cant sign every one.

The idea for me would go for a midfielder through and through, some one who can playmake from deep and would slot in a 433 seamlessly. We have enough forwards as it is.

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 06, 2011 1:06 pm

Yeah... but i'm thinking Di Maria will want to leave if Neymar comes and Kaka is gone. Hazard and Neymar in place of Di Maria and Kaka sounds about right.

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