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Post by Art Morte Sun Dec 01, 2013 11:47 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25174266

Hull owner Assem Allam has told fans "they can die as soon as they want" in response to protests about his plans to change the club's name.

Allam, who took over in 2010, infuriated some supporters with his idea to rebrand the club Hull Tigers.

The Hull fans have formed a campaign group called City Till We Die.

But Allam told the Independent: "They can die as soon as they
want, as long as they leave the club for the majority who just want to watch good football."

What a lovely owner to have. Here's hoping we absolutely demolish them this afternoon!
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Post by VivaStPauli Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:01 pm

Ah, bought clubs, what a great thing to have.
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:50 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:Ah, bought clubs, what a great thing to have.
Yes, indeed.

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Post by Lex Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:09 pm

Art Morte wrote:Here's hoping we absolutely demolish them this afternoon!
Liverpool letting both sets of fans down today :coffee:
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Post by Art Morte Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:14 pm

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Post by VendettaRed07 Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:31 pm

Really idiotic thing for an owner to say... He should be fined by the league.

But, to the original issue..aren't the fans overreacting a bit? At first l thought he was going to totally change the brand and name.. which then, l would understand the outrage..But all he is going to do is change it from Hull City AFC to Hull City Tigers... lts really not any different. He's not even taking city out of the name, just adding tigers. People pretty much called them that already anyway
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Post by Lex Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:45 pm

Hull City Tigers sounds like an American football team, or a hockey team
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Post by DuringTheWar Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:47 pm

think its best if we let hull city fans decide what they want to be called
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Post by Art Morte Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:09 pm

I don't think it's even going to be Hull City Tigers, just Hull Tigers, which is even worse.
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:34 pm

DuringTheWar wrote:think its best if we let hull city fans decide what they want to be called
Do Hull City fans know anything about the business behind how clubs run? Fans just support the team, that's all they do. They are not knowledgeable about football-related things even if it's about questioning the manager's tactics. Best to leave these things to people with credentials. Perhaps the Hull City owner sees a huge profitable deal for the club if they change their name. I'm sure Hull City fans won't want to get relegated.

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Post by DeletedUser#1 Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:06 pm

Inevitable we'll lose the moment Art made this thread :facepalm:

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Post by rwo power Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:16 pm

El Chelsea Fuerte wrote:Do Hull City fans know anything about the business behind how clubs run? Fans just support the team, that's all they do. They are not knowledgeable about football-related things even if it's about questioning the manager's tactics. Best to leave these things to people with credentials. Perhaps the Hull City owner sees a huge profitable deal for the club if they change their name. I'm sure Hull City fans won't want to get relegated.
I followed that name change thing in the UK press a bit. From what I gathered, the Hull City owner decided to change the name after he got into a row with the city to acquire the stadium freehold, which the city declined. He was obviously miffed about that and decided to figure out something to get back at them.

His explanation that he wanted to change the name for commercial reasons was based on a study about the best names for new stock floats that hat pretty much nothing to do with how football club names work (in fact, according to this study, for example Manchester United would have been one of the worst names for a successful float XD).

So it seems that this name change looks more and more like a wanton act to show the people who has the power in the club.

BTW, here's one of his quotes:  "My dislike for the word 'City' is because it is common. I want the club to be special. It is about identity. 'City' is a lousy identity. Hull City Association Football Club is so long."

I guess Manchester City FC is a lousy identity, too, then Razz
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Post by 1991 Sun Dec 01, 2013 11:53 pm

Disgusting comments, ofcourse the GL glory hunters who 'picked' a club and see their club more like a franchise wouldn't have a problem with this. Commercial interests? FFS this is Hull, a rugby town, never gonna be the New York Yankee's. The FA has ignored the issues of club ownership for years, changing club names, even colours(cardiff) at the whims of a sugar daddy is disgusting.


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Post by zigra Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:12 am

What do people expect when they let people buy clubs? Of course not everybody can be a nice guy right?
Feel sorry for the fans but tbh the problem isn't the owner being a *bleep* but the club being owned by one man.
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Post by Red Alert Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:13 am

hull tigers can beat Liverpool

hull city could never do that in their history

hulls owner :bow:
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Post by VendettaRed07 Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:37 am

rwo power wrote:
El Chelsea Fuerte wrote:Do Hull City fans know anything about the business behind how clubs run? Fans just support the team, that's all they do. They are not knowledgeable about football-related things even if it's about questioning the manager's tactics. Best to leave these things to people with credentials. Perhaps the Hull City owner sees a huge profitable deal for the club if they change their name. I'm sure Hull City fans won't want to get relegated.
I followed that name change thing in the UK press a bit. From what I gathered, the Hull City owner decided to change the name after he got into a row with the city to acquire the stadium freehold, which the city declined. He was obviously miffed about that and decided to figure out something to get back at them.

His explanation that he wanted to change the name for commercial reasons was based on a study about the best names for new stock floats that hat pretty much nothing to do with how football club names work (in fact, according to this study, for example Manchester United would have been one of the worst names for a successful float XD).

So it seems that this name change looks more and more like a wanton act to show the people who has the power in the club.

BTW, here's one of his quotes:  "My dislike for the word 'City' is because it is common. I want the club to be special. It is about identity. 'City' is a lousy identity. Hull City Association Football Club is so long."

I guess Manchester City FC is a lousy identity, too, then Razz
l'd say he has a point in terms of, ltll be harder to market and promote the team with its current name, with Man City in the same league. They kind of have the monopoly on the "city" name as far as branding recognition goes. There are other teams with city in the name, but they are often referred to by their other name. Like Swansea and Norwich for example. But hull is a name that kind of short and doesn't really stand on its own, so it doesn't quite work as much..lf that makes any sense.

But then l guess the counter point would be if the owner didn't like the name or branding then why buy that team and not a different one he thought had more international appeal or potential.
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Post by RealGunner Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:14 pm

Hull City: FA set to reject name change to Hull Tigers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26618670
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Post by Lex Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:17 pm

Common sense prevails :bow:
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:24 pm

Soccer Guy ‏@usasoccerguy 1h
BREAKING NEWS: FA say that naming Hull City Franchise Club the 'Hull Tigers' is a 'pretty lame, dumbass idea.'

#KeepTigersInAfrica

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Post by rwo power Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:40 pm

Africa, yes? rofl
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Post by fatman123 Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:57 pm

This owner bought them Shane Long, they shouldn't be complaining about anything
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:04 pm

Tbf that's immediate grounds for the FA to force him to sell the club.
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Post by The_Badger Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:02 am

1991 wrote:Disgusting comments, ofcourse the GL glory hunters who 'picked' a club and see their club more like a franchise wouldn't have a problem with this. Commercial interests? FFS this is Hull, a rugby town, never gonna be the New York Yankee's. The FA has ignored the issues of club ownership for years, changing club names, even colours(cardiff) at the whims of a sugar daddy is disgusting.

Excellent post. Too many people on here simply do not understand that football clubs mean to some people than just the sport.

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Post by fatman123 Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:39 am

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Tbf that's immediate grounds for the FA to force him to sell the club.

Fek off scrub, what would you know!? Hull owner: The fans can die as soon as they want 2276801876
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Post by BeautifulGame Tue Mar 18, 2014 2:33 am

Hull City owner Assem Allam has reiterated his intention to walk away from the Premier League club if his proposed name change is unsuccessful.

Allam is attempting to rebrand the club as Hull Tigers in order to increase their commercial appeal to potential sponsors, but the Football Association is set to block his proposal.

In a statement, the governing body said that, at a meeting last Wednesday, its membership committee had made the recommendation to reject the request to the FA council after "consultation with stakeholders within and outside of the game".

The statement added that a full vote would be taken as planned on April 9 and that Hull were able to respond with a new submission, having been sent the written reasons.

Allam later insisted once again that he would walk away from Hull if his plan failed, but moved to deny he would liquidate the club.

While also admitting he would now ask Hull's season ticket holders to vote on the issue, he said: "We will announce a ballot this week, and we will challenge the decision.

"If the FA does not allow our plan, we will walk away, put it on the market to sell the club. We would not put it into liquidation; there is a lot of money at stake. I will get my money when I sell."

Allam's quest has been met with a furious response from supporters and led them into a war of words with the owner.

But the Football Supporters' Federation has praised their campaign, called City Till We Die, and believes the right decision has been made.

FSF chief executive Kevin Miles said: "This is undoubtedly the right decision and credit should go both to the FA and to Hull City fans, who led a tremendous campaign.

"The fans' groups and fanzines who came together under the City Till We Die banner have protected their club's heritage and 110-year-old name with great dignity.

"The FA's decision should also serve as a warning to other owners - such fundamental changes to a club's identity should not be made without the support of the fans."

Allam's son Ehab restated the case for a change as recently as last week, pointing out his family had invested £74m in the club.

"We have nothing left to give and this is the reason why the club has to become financially self-sustainable," he wrote in a letter to the Hull Daily Mail.

"Currently there are six teams in the Premier League with 'City' in their name and, with the exception of Manchester City, all of those clubs are in a similar league position to us, and playing to similar sized crowds.

"We need something that makes us stand out from the pool of teams we find ourselves in when it comes to attracting potential international sponsors, who are simply hoping to use the Premier League, and its global audience, to advertise."
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