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Post by Twoism Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:08 am

Smile Sina all good, just some fun, Ozil passing is better than Messi imo. Other than that, messi doesnt play that position enough to judge. Of course Messi is overall better, he's freaking alien.

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Post by Gemini Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:24 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Need I mention for all the people that claim that Ozil is the best 10 in the world that Messi plays as such for Argentina?
That explains why Ozil is better for international football then

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Post by Eman Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:59 am

Gemini wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:Need I mention for all the people that claim that Ozil is the best 10 in the world that Messi plays as such for Argentina?
That explains why Ozil is better for international football then
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:04 am

Except that's a clearly not true statement Laughing
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Post by rwo power Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:12 am

People, for Mesut vs Messi ---> Right Back Section

Here: Mesut Özil worship :bow:
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Post by Raptorgunner Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:18 am

Ozil revealed that discussions with the Arsenal manager prompted him to consider his squad status at Madrid and influenced his move to the Premier League.

“In some way, that conversation flicked a switch in me and made me realise what I had lost at Madrid: transparency, trust, respect," Ozil told Die Welt.

"He [Wenger] told me exactly how he saw me, how he wanted to use me, what he expected of me.

"I cannot do anything about the transfer fee. I would have come for free, too."

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Post by Twoism Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:21 am

Raptorgunner wrote:Ozil revealed that discussions with the Arsenal manager prompted him to consider his squad status at Madrid and influenced his move to the Premier League.

“In some way, that conversation flicked a switch in me and made me realise what I had lost at Madrid: transparency, trust, respect," Ozil told Die Welt.

"He [Wenger] told me exactly how he saw me, how he wanted to use me, what he expected of me.

"I cannot do anything about the transfer fee. I would have come for free, too."

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Bro pls - January Wenger will have a talk with Suarez, next summer Reus.
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Post by Wilson37 Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:27 am

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Gil wrote:Mata > Ozil

He's better than our other players though.
Same Mata whose been benched by Werder Bremen legend Kevin De Bruyne lol?

The only 10 who has a say at being better is Fabregas.
Thumbs up
Cesc > Ozil > Mata
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Post by AnJl Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:34 am

I think Mata is just as good as Ozil. Ozil has more experience and has a more polished technique than Mata.

And can we please stop the Cesc comparisons? Let him sit and enjoy himself in Barca.

By that time he thinks of going back to Arsenal, Zelalm should be ready. I mean, he has Rosicky, Arteta and Ozil to learn from. I say that is more than enough.
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Post by Jay29 Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:03 am

Meanwhile, back in Spain:

Catalan press criticise Real Madrid over damaging Ozil leaks, after Arsenal transfer
Marca accuse Özil of poor attitude
El Mundo claim Özil's "weakness to beautiful women" was a major factor in Madrid selling him
ABC questions Özil's professionalism

This is all getting a bit bitter, isn't it?

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Post by MarcoReus Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:08 am

what's with the tirade on ozil???

his been called a sensitive player and wanted to feel important to a team

spainish media looking pathetic attacking him

heard ozil outsold bale shirts 5:1... heh
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Post by Wilson37 Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:58 pm

Ozil

"dear fans,
role reversal, doctor injured. klaus eder is not flying with us today, he is staying at home. torn muscle fibre, fractured finger. get well soon klaus."
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Post by Wilson37 Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:59 pm

about new new negative articles coming on for Ozil.. this is poor media sesationalism trying to take advantage of both the sides of the coin.. first they start praising him, everyone does, so no more market value for such articles.. so now they go for the negatives on the same subject which attracts more readers..
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Post by Raptorgunner Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:28 pm

Mertesacker: "Arsene Wenger has asked me what I thought of Özil, & the answer was obvious"Razz 
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Post by Lex Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:12 pm

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Post by Jack Daniels Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:33 pm

Wilson37 wrote:about new new negative articles coming on for Ozil.. this is poor media sesationalism trying to take advantage of both the sides of the coin.. first they start praising him, everyone does, so no more market value for such articles.. so now they go for the negatives on the same subject which attracts more readers..
Practically the same thing happened when Robinho left for City.
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Post by sportsczy Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:06 pm

Everyone who lives a "party" lifestyle in Spain gets roasted for it...  I mean Ronaldinho, who was a much bigger and better player, got it.

The only guys who get spared are the Spanish ones.

If you don't want to make the gossip stories, don't give anything for the papers to gossip about.

That said, the thing that is being criticized is that Ozil has had stamina problems his whole career.  He can't finish games and he doesn't track back.  Media are saying that he should not have led such a lifestyle if he could not perform at his optimum on the pitch.

I hope he changes his off the pitch habits at Arsenal. You can have a life as long as it doesn't affect your job...
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Post by Lex Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:27 pm

Mou might have turned a blind eye, but Wenger has always encouraged his players to adhere to a strict regime of healthy eating, taking vitamins and saying prayers
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Post by Chumlum Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:50 pm

Lex wrote:Mou might have turned a blind eye, but Wenger has always encouraged his players to adhere to a strict regime of healthy eating, taking vitamins and saying prayers
Sounds like an impossibly powerful alliance between Wengermania and Hulkamania.
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Post by beatrixasdfghjk. Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:16 pm

Mesut Özil
dear fans,
london calling Smile finally it's starting - my first training as a "gunner"!
#ozilisagunner #arsenalfc

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Post by Raptorgunner Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:57 pm

Wenger: Ozil signing is a statement of intent
"Of course [it’s a statement]," Wenger said. "We had to go through some years with restricted financial potential and the target was to stay in the Champions League during this period.

"We were able to do it and now we are strong financially. The best thing is to spend the money in an efficient way. That means to strengthen the team and spend money you can afford to spend."
"Honestly, I think it was linked with the Bale transfer," Wenger added. "I don’t know why Madrid sold him - was it financial reasons? Was it because they had to let somebody go? I was surprised, yes.

"He’s already a great player but there’s room between 25 and 30 to become a dominant player. That’s the age range when you step up from very good to great.

"I wouldn’t say it was an easy deal. It was very complicated because the timing was short. On Sunday, just before the Tottenham game, I thought we had managed to do it. We were 90 per cent there."
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Post by sportsczy Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:02 pm

Madrid sold him because we thought Bale is better... time will tell.  I think Bale has proven he can shoulder the burden of being "the man" with his pace + scoring + leadership, while Ozil is better technically.  I don't think Madrid lost anything by selling Ozil given the circustances.  In fact, since the only place that Ozil had available to him was RAM, i think Bale is a clear upgrade in that position.

The true comparison is Isco and Ozil... and Isco had clearly outperformed Ozil in the 10 games since the start of preseason + he's only 21 + he's just as talented as Ozil.

You can't play two 10s on the same team... especially given that Carlo doesn't play a 10 to begin with lol.  Isco adapted to being a LAM and Ozil couldn't make it as a RAM and knew he was about to get benched.

In the end, Arsenal benefited by Madrid having too many players + changing tactically.  Win-win for both sides.
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Post by LeSwagg James Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:42 pm

Fxck you all!
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Post by Eman Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:58 pm

Swagg wrote:Fxck you all!
The contrast between this and the previous comment by a Real Madrid fan :bow:
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Post by DuringTheWar Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:14 pm

It would be delirious to choose a player based on mainly pre season games, and that's in normal circumstances. When one of them is actually fasting, well, yeah, can't believe pre season performances played a part. It's more likely Madrid had to prioritize isco as he was the latest big signing. They've put their money on isco, and right now, who knows if it's a wise choice or a blunder.

Isco is 21, well 24 is a better age, still an entire career ahead at 24 as well as experience under your belt.

Now is isco as talented? Looking at it objectively I think it's too early to tell. Their strengths are not exactly the same
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