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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2013
BeautifulGame wrote:
I honestly think he has done more damage to our club than contributions in the last 2nd years stay.
Well, there are two ways of looking at that.
1) We still finished "worst of the best" with him in the squad.
2) We really could use him when pushing for top-4.
Btw, I, too, feel dismay at his international break interviews. It's like being afraid that our players get injured on international duty but with Suarez it's about being scared of him giving unfavourable interviews.
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Guys there has NOT been a 3rd interview. I cannot find anywhere. It seems like SkySports just came up with their regular bullshit. They are just using the quotes from yesterday.
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Well his interviews are no more the only source . . LFC came out with official statement too. Just ensuring this to be a realistic he might leave this summer
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Alright folks, there's a lot of different quotes and (mis)information floating around re:Suarez at the moment so let's all cool our jets and get a good grip on the situation before jumping to any absurd conclusions.
First off, Suarez has not said that he "wants to leave" or any direct variation thereof as SkySports and several other news sources have reported today. They are taking a very creative translation and interpretation of the interview he gave yesterday that Echo had already covered. I have read the full transcript in original Spanish as well as in an accurate English translation (available below in spoilers). He DOES state that a change would not be bad this summer, but only in response to a direct question on that exact turn of phrase. It is clear that he is open and even wants a move to Spain this summer, but it is also clear from his quotes that he would be happy to stay at Liverpool and would give his all next season.
Funnily enough, even Florentino Perez's quotes have not escaped this little bit of creative interpretation. He said, "Suarez is a great player and I am sure all in the world would want him. I like him and others too, but it does not always fit." The first part has received plenty of attention and fuels much of the discussion about Madrid's interest, however a key part is mostly ignored (and at times even edited out altogether). "But it does not always fit" deserves some consideration as it suggests that while Perez himself admires Suarez's ability he may not believe that Suarez fits into Madrid on/off the pitch, or may defer to whichever manager eventually arrives. Madrid's supposed move for Luis may never materialize simply because they have other targets.
Also clear is that his motivations are not ENTIRELY related to the media as he claims. We [Liverpool] have not been in or even close to the CL during his time with us and we are not in European competition at all next season. Further, clubs such as Madrid and Barcelona could and would offer him a significant wage increase should either be interested in securing his services. Both of these issues clearly play a significant role in his current stance. That said, the English media, and by extension a notable portion of the British public HAS been on a bit of a witch hunt at times. Yes, he's brought much of the negative attention upon himself but there is simply no justification for:
The sensationalism and double standards are clear for all to see. However, as with any group English journalists and media have circled the wagons in response to Suarez's criticisms. It is as natural a reaction as it is frustrating. Even journalists who criticized their colleagues for the headlines and reports at the time of the event have suddenly changed their opinion and jumped on the "Suarez is using us as an excuse and was never misrepresented or defamed by any British media; we're the victims here!" bandwagon... and they have been very effective at pushing that agenda/message, so far.
It is plenty clear that Luis Suarez would welcome a move away from England this summer and that his motives are not as clear cut as he suggests. However, things are not as cut and dry as the media would make it seem, nor is Suarez victimizing them so much as they claim. He may well move this summer... he may also not. The outcome is not yet decided however, and the situation is still quite fluid. There are multiple agendas at play and Suarez's is only one of the factors in the eventual outcome.
I maintain that while Suarez does seem to prefer a move abroad, he would not be upset at another season with Liverpool. As things stand it seems unlikely that he will hand in a transfer request, though with his continuing consideration there's always the chance that this could change. This leaves the impetus on deciding his future to the clubs involved (Liverpool & Madrid or any other interested). For Liverpool he is an integral player: he is perhaps the most recognizable face off the pitch due to his (bad) publicity and is a massive, massive influence on it. The price of any player is decided by his importance to the club selling. It's up to Madrid to meet that price, be it the rumoured buy-out clause or simply Liverpool's "too good to refuse" bar. Should Suarez by allowed to leave, it will almost certainly be for more than the Torres valuation... i.e. more than £50m. Only time will tell whether this happens and until such a time as it is decided, or the player/his agent make a definitive statement on the subject, let's be a bit judicious in our conclusions and assumptions. My only hope is that if he should move that the deal be down rather early in the summer, so that Liverpool and Rodgers have plenty of time to use the money raised effectively and efficiently in strengthening the team... if this drags on too long all first choice targets could be unavailable.
An unedited English transcript of his interview yesterday:
P.S. It is never, EVER acceptable to burn a kit. The name on the back doesn't matter, the crest on the chest and eternal flame DO.
First off, Suarez has not said that he "wants to leave" or any direct variation thereof as SkySports and several other news sources have reported today. They are taking a very creative translation and interpretation of the interview he gave yesterday that Echo had already covered. I have read the full transcript in original Spanish as well as in an accurate English translation (available below in spoilers). He DOES state that a change would not be bad this summer, but only in response to a direct question on that exact turn of phrase. It is clear that he is open and even wants a move to Spain this summer, but it is also clear from his quotes that he would be happy to stay at Liverpool and would give his all next season.
Funnily enough, even Florentino Perez's quotes have not escaped this little bit of creative interpretation. He said, "Suarez is a great player and I am sure all in the world would want him. I like him and others too, but it does not always fit." The first part has received plenty of attention and fuels much of the discussion about Madrid's interest, however a key part is mostly ignored (and at times even edited out altogether). "But it does not always fit" deserves some consideration as it suggests that while Perez himself admires Suarez's ability he may not believe that Suarez fits into Madrid on/off the pitch, or may defer to whichever manager eventually arrives. Madrid's supposed move for Luis may never materialize simply because they have other targets.
Also clear is that his motivations are not ENTIRELY related to the media as he claims. We [Liverpool] have not been in or even close to the CL during his time with us and we are not in European competition at all next season. Further, clubs such as Madrid and Barcelona could and would offer him a significant wage increase should either be interested in securing his services. Both of these issues clearly play a significant role in his current stance. That said, the English media, and by extension a notable portion of the British public HAS been on a bit of a witch hunt at times. Yes, he's brought much of the negative attention upon himself but there is simply no justification for:
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The sensationalism and double standards are clear for all to see. However, as with any group English journalists and media have circled the wagons in response to Suarez's criticisms. It is as natural a reaction as it is frustrating. Even journalists who criticized their colleagues for the headlines and reports at the time of the event have suddenly changed their opinion and jumped on the "Suarez is using us as an excuse and was never misrepresented or defamed by any British media; we're the victims here!" bandwagon... and they have been very effective at pushing that agenda/message, so far.
It is plenty clear that Luis Suarez would welcome a move away from England this summer and that his motives are not as clear cut as he suggests. However, things are not as cut and dry as the media would make it seem, nor is Suarez victimizing them so much as they claim. He may well move this summer... he may also not. The outcome is not yet decided however, and the situation is still quite fluid. There are multiple agendas at play and Suarez's is only one of the factors in the eventual outcome.
I maintain that while Suarez does seem to prefer a move abroad, he would not be upset at another season with Liverpool. As things stand it seems unlikely that he will hand in a transfer request, though with his continuing consideration there's always the chance that this could change. This leaves the impetus on deciding his future to the clubs involved (Liverpool & Madrid or any other interested). For Liverpool he is an integral player: he is perhaps the most recognizable face off the pitch due to his (bad) publicity and is a massive, massive influence on it. The price of any player is decided by his importance to the club selling. It's up to Madrid to meet that price, be it the rumoured buy-out clause or simply Liverpool's "too good to refuse" bar. Should Suarez by allowed to leave, it will almost certainly be for more than the Torres valuation... i.e. more than £50m. Only time will tell whether this happens and until such a time as it is decided, or the player/his agent make a definitive statement on the subject, let's be a bit judicious in our conclusions and assumptions. My only hope is that if he should move that the deal be down rather early in the summer, so that Liverpool and Rodgers have plenty of time to use the money raised effectively and efficiently in strengthening the team... if this drags on too long all first choice targets could be unavailable.
An unedited English transcript of his interview yesterday:
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- Q: What can you say about the repercussions [your statements had] on the international media?
#Suarez: "Every time I talk, it gets turned into something huge. I only said I'm very happy in Liverpool, I'll be forever grateful for the way the club and fans treated me. I love being there because it's a spectacular club and city, and I still have a contract there. I said it's hard to say no to Real Madrid because it's normal, you always dream about [being in] big teams. But I don't have anything yet, I haven't spoken neither to Real nor LFC, nobody, even my agent hasn't told me anything yet and that's what keeps me calm. What happens is that there have been speculations and that's why everything I say will be turned into something big.
Q: With that said, do you think it's the right time for a change?
#Suarez: "Yes, obviously. On the subject that I spoke about yesterday and will keep repeating, it's a complicated and difficult moment on which I am a human being and have feelings, and I've suffered because things have being said that aren't true. They haven't valued me as a player on the pitch but only my attitude so, it pisses you off. This has been going for a while so, you have limits, you have a family that suffers as well and it's really tough."
Q: "Do you feel identified with RM's playing style? There are other teams that want you so, which team's style do you identify at the moment?"
#Suarez: "To this day I feel identified with #Liverpool, not to mention I have a contract with them. They saw great potential in me and I grew up as a player in #Liverpool, but always in transfer windows there are many rumors, this [the window] is only getting started, I don't want to imagine what's to come next.”
Q: Yesterday you talked about LFC's support for you but, have you thought that the sensation the journalists and the FA transmit [to the people in England] could expand to the rest of Europe? [This question is a bit weird but it has to do with LS having a "reputation"]
#Suarez: "I don't think so, I think that the interested clubs will be interested in 'Suarez the player', not his attitudes. I made a mistake, I apologized and regretted it. I already said it, that's clear enough. And I think one [himself] should be more aware of the mistake I made in case I go to other club or stay at #LFC, I can't keep doing things wrong, I think I've learned and it's a lesson for the future."
Q: Are you aware that Atletico's interested in your services? and 2.- Are you seduced by spanish football because of its playing style or simply because the environment in England has gone complicated and turned unsuitable for you to continue?
#Suarez: I think that there will always be interest of clubs and it's going to be talked about a lot, but I've never got anything personally or [been asked] to talk with anyone of any team. But it's kind of the two things, one of them I always said it, In England, I'm in the best league in the world in my opinion, and the spanish league is up there too, they're two of the best leagues in the world.
In England [there] is spectacular football, and I think I've shown bravery, I've moved on with what happened on the racism case. And after this [Ivanovic case] I've felt bad because like I said, things have been said that made me feel uncomfortable. I have a daughter to look after, she's important too and I think [I should] put her out of that environment, of those things like "her father's bad". I'd rather change because of that, it doesn't have anything to do with #LFC or anything like that. It's just in the sense of me feeling bad, I'm a human being, I have feelings and I'd love to play in another league too."
Q: On a possible move, what do you prioritize the football aspect, the team you 'like' the best, or the economic?
#Suarez: "If it was down to the economic [reason] I would've already left for the countries that have been mentioned before but, I am prioritizing my family, my image and I think that's what I care about the most. I went through a complicated & difficult moment from which I'd love to get out, & I'm not saying this because I'm here [in Uruguay] or anything, but cause the manager and my teammates know what I went through. I was mistreated and didn't feel comfortable, they know that perfectly, and I think it'll be understandable if one day I get to leave #Liverpool."
Q: About the english press, what was the last straw [that broke the camel's back]?
#Suarez: "First of all, the thing of the paparazzi following all the time, every move I made, everything I did. I couldn't take my child to the park, go to the market or anything, it's something like, you're exposed, but well, not to mention they've said absurdities. Pictures every day, mockings, from which none [of the media] came forward to defend me.
I think-- I already knew the talk about me possibly being the Player of the Year, I said it on the club's website I think, that I [knew I] wasn't going to win any award because of the way they treated me. Our captain, Gerrard, came forward to say I wasn't being treated fairly, and well the last straw was the mistake I made, which I accepted, but they exceeded the limit as well."
Q: Now outside of England, but on the same line of thought. Are you surprised the incident in Chile got into the hands of FIFA?
#Suarez: Yes! It surprises you because if we look at everything that happens in the box we'd have like 5 or 10 actions where you feel like someone is getting suspended, it even happened last night on Boca vs. Newell's.
If everything's looked at, it will be complicated and there won't be any players left. Well, also it surprised me that the President of those who were watching me [Probably disciplinary committee] was english, irish, or somewhere around that, so you know where it's coming from. It's a constant thing, the Minister of I-don't-know-what was like "Suarez is this and that to the children" or something. He should worry about his business, we're trying to do our job here and I can't apologize more than I already did."
Q: Were you left wanting to see Evra? Because the Uruguayan public was expecting him to come and [so they could] show you their support
#Suarez: "No, at all. I already played against him a few times, it's on the past, I think it's something left behind and well, to me if he had come he was going to be just another player I could play against on the pitch."
Q: Do you have a deadline to say if you are going to stay or leave #Liverpool?
#Suarez: "No, I don't. I don't know if I'm going to leave and I don't know if I'm going to stay, the club knows perfectly what I think. They know what I went through but hey, I have a contract with #LFC, if I stay, I stay delightfully cause it's a spectacular club, but at the same time they know it's difficult cause of the harassment I received from the press there, and they know that perfectly"
P.S. It is never, EVER acceptable to burn a kit. The name on the back doesn't matter, the crest on the chest and eternal flame DO.
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Atleti will pay 40-50 mil for him as long as Mendes becomes his agent... Mendes will lend Atleti any gap between their cash and the transfer, as he did with Falcao. Why? He can force the next transfer, make another fee and recoup his loan as well.
That's what i feel will happen IF Liverpool are willing to deal.
That's what i feel will happen IF Liverpool are willing to deal.
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sportsczy wrote:Atleti will pay 40-50 mil for him as long as Mendes becomes his agent... Mendes will lend Atleti any gap between their cash and the transfer, as he did with Falcao. Why? He can force the next transfer, make another fee and recoup his loan as well.
That's what i feel will happen IF Liverpool are willing to deal.
Liverpool won't be willing to deal for anything less than £50m (that's pounds sterling, not euros). The reported clause only states that Liverpool must consider, but not accept, bids upwards of £40m and the club clearly value him as worth more than Torres was when he moved to Chelsea.
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Yeah but that's EPL pricing and he wants to leave UK. Nobody in Europe other than Atleti with their special deal with Mendes will go there. I don't see Madrid offering more than €35 mil IF we even entered the fray.
So if what you say is true, he'll stay at Liverpool and you guys pray that he doesn't become Tevez.
So if what you say is true, he'll stay at Liverpool and you guys pray that he doesn't become Tevez.
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"European valuation" or "English valuation" doesn't matter... the deal is dependent upon Liverpool's valuation. If the bidding club(s) fail to meet that, then no move happens.
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Liverpool Echo @LivEchoLFC 3m
#Suarez latest - Reds will fight to keep striker, no £40m buyout clause, any bid must top Torres £50m to be considered. Story to come
That's the short version, sports. Echo is as reliable as they come with regards to Liverpool business, bettered only by the official LFC site itself.
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First what makes you think he'll agree in Mendes becoming his agent? All he needs to do is to look at Falcao's situation to understand that Mendes will probably get him involved in some sort of 3rd party ownership and command his next move after that.
And second, the thing you are saying about EPL pricing being different to rest of Europe could be applied the other way as well. Liverpool value him £50m, the rest of Europe can't or aren't willing to pay that. Well too bad, that means he won't be sold until someone meets LFC's valuation of him.
And tbh after reading that word for word what Luis said, I really don't think he'll leave. Him leaving is basically in our hands.
First what makes you think he'll agree in Mendes becoming his agent? All he needs to do is to look at Falcao's situation to understand that Mendes will probably get him involved in some sort of 3rd party ownership and command his next move after that.
And second, the thing you are saying about EPL pricing being different to rest of Europe could be applied the other way as well. Liverpool value him £50m, the rest of Europe can't or aren't willing to pay that. Well too bad, that means he won't be sold until someone meets LFC's valuation of him.
And tbh after reading that word for word what Luis said, I really don't think he'll leave. Him leaving is basically in our hands.
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And the longer version:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-fight-keep-luis-4036881
James Pearce - Liverpool Echo wrote:Liverpool FC have warned Luis Suarez they have no intention of granting him a quick exit from Anfield this summer.
The Reds are refusing to admit defeat in their battle to keep the prolific striker, who has his sights set on forcing through a move to Real Madrid.
The ECHO understands that reports in Spain that Suarez has a £40million buy-out clause in his contract are incorrect.
Liverpool remain determined to keep the Uruguayan and even if Suarez submitted a transfer request it would take a bid well in excess of that figure for the Reds to consider selling their 30-goal top scorer.
Club officials have rubbished Suarez's claims in South America that he has already told Liverpool he wants to leave.
In a statement the Reds, who have had no approach from Real Madrid, made it clear they intend to hold on to the club's most valuable asset.
“Luis Suarez is not for sale,” it read.
“Neither Luis nor his representatives have communicated their feelings to Liverpool Football Club.
“The club remains supportive of Luis and expect him to honour his contract. We will not be making any further comment at this stage.”
Liverpool broke their silence after Suarez's latest interview in Uruguay where he is preparing for next Wednesday's friendly against France.
The 26-year-old, who is currently serving a 10-game domestic ban for biting Chelsea's Branislav Ivanovic, once again bemoaned his treatment at the hands of the English media and said he was disillusioned with life on Merseyside as his family were “suffering”.
Suarez denied that his desire to move to Spain was motivated by money but rather an ambition to play in La Liga.
“My coach (Brendan Rodgers) and my colleagues know what I went through,” Suarez said.
“I was mistreated, the media didn't treat me well. They know that perfectly, and I think it'll be understandable if one day I get to leave Liverpool.
“Because of the paparazzi I couldn't take my child to the park, I could not go to the supermarket.
“I have a daughter to look after, she's important and I think I should put her out of that environment.
“Every day there are pictures mocking me, nobody came forward to defend me. I do not want her to hear bad things about her father.
“I'd rather change because of that, it doesn't have anything to do with Liverpool. I'd love to play in another league too.
“My reason for leaving is not the money. If it was down to economics I would have already left for the countries that have been mentioned.
“I am prioritising my family, my image. I don’t feel comfortable any more. The club knows perfectly what I think.
“I have a contract with Liverpool but they know it's difficult because of the harassment I receive from the press there.”
Suarez's words contradicted those of his agent Pere Guardiola who had told Liverpool 24 hours earlier that the player remained happy at Anfield.
Boss Brendan Rodgers feared Suarez would turn his back on English football after he was hit with the 10-game ban for biting in April but retained hope that the club's support over the controversy would convince him to stay loyal.
Suarez's comments in South America this week have come as a surprise to both Rodgers and managing director Ian Ayre as he had not informed either of them of his desire to leave.
Reports in Spain suggest Real Madrid are preparing a £40million bid as they look to make Suarez their marquee summer signing.
However, they may need to offer in excess of the club record £50million Liverpool received from Chelsea for Fernando Torres in 2011 in order to get their man.
What is clear is that Liverpool won't give up on keeping Suarez without a fight as they know a player of his talent would be difficult to replace regardless of the fee they receive.
However, they are also desperate to ensure this doesn't drag on into a summer-long saga.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-fight-keep-luis-4036881
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Art Morte wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22731526
Valdes saying he's expecting to leave Barcelona in 2014 when his contract expires. That would surely mean that Barcelona are not interested in signing Reina this summer - unless they want something for Valdes and try to sell him now.
Yeah, I doubt Barcelona will be stupid enough to let him go for free when Monaco is out there using the City method of building a team.
Actually, after thinking about my original comments I wish to take them back, because if there is one club that isn't worried about receiving a fee on any player it's Barcelona. I'm sure they are happy just to have a year to find the right keeper.
So one more year with Reina, though at that point I think someone else will probably strike their fancy.
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50m pounds would be great if fully injected in our transfer kit. . .
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and hopefully we will not splash bulk of it on another Carrol.
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Fahim89 wrote:50m pounds would be great if fully injected in our transfer kit. . .
We've signed Downing and Carroll for 55m.
Luis Suarez and co havn't got us CL.
I say we splash 50m to make Downing and Carroll the system.
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RedOranje wrote:I still believe we need another creative force in midfield (preferably attacking midfield) to either cover for Coutinho or provide another focal point if/when he's neutralized by physical and high pressure as we saw in several of the late-season matches.
Also, given Sturridge's form in his time with LFC surely he's done enough to earn his place as starting CF for us, at least until such a time as another outperforms him, right ynwa?
I agree. Eriksen is pretty much a MUST if Luis Suarez is to be sold. We can't exactly wait to see what Dortmund do so we should try and do business now nice and early just like how we've done so in the past week.
Sturridge has impressed me. But he really shouldn't be the guaranteed starting CF as of yet. Majority of players that join from January suffer from the "second season syndrome" so I'd like to see both how Coutinho and Sturridge do next season. I'm confident Luis will be staying too, so he should be the guaranteed CF as he's a lot better than Sturridge.
Furthermore, we're most likely going to go back to the pass and move system Rodgers wanted to play at the start of the season but didn't have the players to do it. We played a lot more counter-attacking football in the second half of the system and Sturridge pace exploited that with his great movement. So I'd like to see how he does in a contested game before placing him as a guaranteed starter as the focal point of the team.
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I don't necessarily disagree that Sturridge shouldn't be "guaranteed" a starting spot but you cannot simply drop him to the bench after his performances. Until such a time as his form lags or another player begins outperforming him for a run of matches he's earned the right to continue to start, IMO. Suarez can and should start with him, not in place of him (assuming Suarez stays).
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I didn't want to relegate him on the bench though. I wanted him on the right hand side of the front three to permanently get rid of Downing. (And Aaspas will be a squad-type player as cover for anywhere in the final third.)
Also, on another note, do you know anything about Grenier? He's apparently a playmaker type, so I'm thinking his the back-up replacement for Eriksen (if he goes to Dortmund) but I'm not too sure what Grenier is like as I don't watch Ligue 1 regularly.
Also, on another note, do you know anything about Grenier? He's apparently a playmaker type, so I'm thinking his the back-up replacement for Eriksen (if he goes to Dortmund) but I'm not too sure what Grenier is like as I don't watch Ligue 1 regularly.
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Sturridge has shown his best form as a CF though, while Suarez has proven with us that he can play just as well off of a main forward (Sturridge) either directly behind or as an inside forward coming off a wide starting position... also Suarez's role prior to arriving at LFC was in such a role. As such I'd be more inclined to start Suarez in the wide/inside forward role and leave Sturridge to run off the central defenders. He'll still drift out wide at times and drop a bit deeper, allowing Suarez to run the channels and occupy the CF role. It really does seem a win-win for all involved. This is all moot if Suarez does end up leaving, of course.
I don't watch the French league so can't comment on Grenier. My understanding of the CAM situation is that we've cooled interest in Eriksen and ALL of our main CAM targets following Coutinho's performances in the role since joining.
I don't watch the French league so can't comment on Grenier. My understanding of the CAM situation is that we've cooled interest in Eriksen and ALL of our main CAM targets following Coutinho's performances in the role since joining.
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Surely we can't rely on Coutinho next season. He's still young and we'll put way too much pressure on him if he's our focal point next season.
I'm fine with Sturridge as the striker for now, but I'd just like to see how he does next season first. He still does need to improve if he wants to make the position his.
I'm fine with Sturridge as the striker for now, but I'd just like to see how he does next season first. He still does need to improve if he wants to make the position his.
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He'll need to improve upon 10 goals 3 assists in 14 appearances? His all-around game can use some work but for a forward to produce stats like that you can accept a bit of selfishness in front of goal.
Yes, that's only over half a season.
Yes, there's the very strong chance that that production will drop next season, for several reasons (not the least of which is just how brilliant it currently is).
However, the spot shouldn't be taken from him until that happens. He's not in a position currently where he needs to prove himself deserving... he's in a position where he would have to prove himself UNDESERVING through poor form of objective or comparative quality.
Yes, that's only over half a season.
Yes, there's the very strong chance that that production will drop next season, for several reasons (not the least of which is just how brilliant it currently is).
However, the spot shouldn't be taken from him until that happens. He's not in a position currently where he needs to prove himself deserving... he's in a position where he would have to prove himself UNDESERVING through poor form of objective or comparative quality.
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Aspas probably became a cult hero saving them from relegation.
Lets see how things unfold here, So according to rumors we probably pay around 9 million euros i guess? if we sign him.
Lets see how things unfold here, So according to rumors we probably pay around 9 million euros i guess? if we sign him.
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Liverpool Echo's report claims we have already agreed a €9million (£7.7million) deal with Celta Vigo to sign him. That is above his relegation release clause of €7million (£5.9million) but lower than his non-relegation release clause of €10million (£8.3million). The report goes on to state that he will fly to Liverpool this week to undergo his medical and discuss personal terms.
ECHO Article Link
The Daily Mirror are reporting we've agreed personal terms with Aspas but have not agreed a fee. Depending on which article you read (yes, they have conflicting reports within their own paper) we're either offering him £45,000-a-week or have agreed to pay him a £200,000 signing-on fee and a gross wage of £39,000 per week.
Link 1: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-iago-aspas-deal-1905327
Link 2: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/iago-aspas-liverpool-transfer-celta-1921437
I'd recommend taking the Echo report as the most accurate, but that's just me.
ECHO Article Link
The Daily Mirror are reporting we've agreed personal terms with Aspas but have not agreed a fee. Depending on which article you read (yes, they have conflicting reports within their own paper) we're either offering him £45,000-a-week or have agreed to pay him a £200,000 signing-on fee and a gross wage of £39,000 per week.
Link 1: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-iago-aspas-deal-1905327
Link 2: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/iago-aspas-liverpool-transfer-celta-1921437
I'd recommend taking the Echo report as the most accurate, but that's just me.
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Any rumors on Benteke?
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I'm not sure what I'm about to write is in full compliance with this particular (transfer rumor) thread.
It's impossible to replace Suarez. He scores, he creates and he draws players away (creating space for others). Players who can do all these and to his level will not come to Liverpool. So, what is our REALISTIC option to replace Suarez!
Do you think Coutinho has been used as AM! I don't watch as much as you do, but it seems (to me) he starts as LW/F but drifts inside and Enrique overlaps to cover the space. If we continue with 433 and Coutinho starts as AM ahead of Lucas & Gerrard, then we have to buy someone for LW/F as well.
If Suarez leaves, that will leave us with Borini, Sturridge & Aspas for the three forward positions. Isn't both Borini & Aspas left-footed! IAC, these two will compete for one starting place. That means we need a player (RW/F!!!) for starting XI and another (?) to provide cover. What is your REALISTIC choice for these players!
It's impossible to replace Suarez. He scores, he creates and he draws players away (creating space for others). Players who can do all these and to his level will not come to Liverpool. So, what is our REALISTIC option to replace Suarez!
Do you think Coutinho has been used as AM! I don't watch as much as you do, but it seems (to me) he starts as LW/F but drifts inside and Enrique overlaps to cover the space. If we continue with 433 and Coutinho starts as AM ahead of Lucas & Gerrard, then we have to buy someone for LW/F as well.
If Suarez leaves, that will leave us with Borini, Sturridge & Aspas for the three forward positions. Isn't both Borini & Aspas left-footed! IAC, these two will compete for one starting place. That means we need a player (RW/F!!!) for starting XI and another (?) to provide cover. What is your REALISTIC choice for these players!
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Why are people talking like Aspas is a done deal, did i miss something?
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