what does Juventus need in order to do better at CL

is it depth they lack or striker or any other that you might think of

-Tactical flexibility
-Squad improvement in the attack definitely

Maybe not draw Bayern? That might help?

Its just year 1 in terms of CL, its not some dire situation to go out in the quarters on one of the favourites.

It was lost in the first leg because they simply couldnt bring their forwards into the game. Need a different kind of striker and they are getting that with Llorente.

I think they could also use a real leftback in the squad.

If we drew Gala, Malaga, maybe Dortmund or PsG and went through then we would have reached the Last 4 of the CL in our first time participating in years.

Let me ask you this, if a team gets K.O'd by the eventual winners in the last 16, and another team draws two scrubs and gets into the semi's... is the team in the semi finals definitely better than the other team? Debatable.

We done well in the CL up until we ran into the Worlds most in-form team. To take the final step we need a top quality striker. Llorente may or may not be it, we'll have to wait.

We need a plan B. And playing Catenaccio is not a suitable plan B. If Pepe was fit and Isla wasn't so poor after his injury we could have at least mixed it up.

We NEED an actual Left-back that is top class, firstly because we rely on wing-play and we don't even have a left-back that isn't shit at this level

Also because this would free up Asamoah who could then give us much better depth as a CM. Which he naturally is.

We need a young Pirlo back up not just to eventually replace Pirlo but to also let Pirlo rest during the season.

Also, we need to get rid of this *bleep* underdog mentality Conte installed upon us all through the CL. Okay, we were an underdog Vs Bayern but Conte showed a lack of beleif in the team and didn't allow us to play our usual high intensity game in ANY CL match bar shakhtar away and Chelsea at home.

He needs to concentrate on our game plan instead of trying to set his team up to frustrate other teams. That provincial mentality won't get us a CL. Not ever.

Last of all, in recent times we've had no other choice but to buy average depth such as Peluso because Conte inherited a team who had bench players that wouldn't even get into our reserve team now. We needed them. But now we're set for depth the provincial signings need to stop. No more Padoins, no more Pelusos etc etc.

We need to spend most of our budget on players that will improve the starting XI. Which in turn will give our current starters competition. As a reslult players that find themselves in our line-up may be on our bench for extended periods.

And yes, we need to actually spend money to make money. Enough 'We can't spend £30M on one player, Italy is in shambles' Well if we can't spend £30M on one player, how come we can spend it on 5 or 6? Does the fact you're spending £30M on a handful of players mean it's a cheaper £30M? No of course it doesn't Marotta ffs. Get us a goal-threat we've realistically been missing since ADP was younger.

Italian champions two years running and now CL last 8 participants and we have no goalscorer to carry us. Teams much worse than us have the comfort of a striker who can win games. Vucinic is by far our best striker, yet he's much more about creating than scoring. As a reslt we rely on a man who's never going to bang goals in to win us games. Last season our top goalscorer scored 10 goals. That's pitiful. People may argue that scoring from everywhere is a good thing. And they'd be right. When you're talking about collecting points from small, stubborn teams.

When you're playing Europes elite without a goal threat, the tie is much more difficult than it should be even before a ball has been kicked.


Taking all of that into account, 2 years ago we were 7th and looking not too dissimilar to Inter now. For us to have done all of this already means we're ahead of schedule. And for that i'm greatful so long as we're not stopping at this level and saying 'Yeah well, we're not going to win the CL so there's no point spending money and trying. We're going to continue to mop up domestically and that's that.' This would be unacceptable.

maybe juve could've beat gala and maybe even malaga, the rest is not so clear so i think there is more to it than drawing bayern, as mentioned before they need an elite striker and maybe a really decent one for back up and proper lb depth

we are around 2-4 years away in my opinion with flawless purchases in attack, pirlo replacement and buying players to fit a 4-3-3 maybe even new flankers too so we are more tactically flexible to being on able to match it with the bayerns etc. unless the boards drastically pours money into the team this summer which i doubt because that's not the juventus way and we have won 2 scudetto's on the trot so our squad is not hopeless, were gonna haveto wait it out and keep investing champions league revenue into the squad.

Buy better attackers. Other than that the squad is already good.

I just think against Bayern they just didn't pose much of an attacking threat. Bayern had Robben, Ribery, Muller, Mandzukic attacking wise, along with the fullbacks and occasionally Schweinsteiger and Martinez too.

Juventus don't play a winger system, however having versatile wingers like Ribery/Robben can help.

Would a wc class striker have helped that much though? From what I saw their much talked about midfield was totally overrun. pirlo was marked out completely, putting in probably two of his worst performances in a juve jersey, and schweini/martinez/gustavo had marchisio for breakfast. Yes on top of this having gio,quag/matri will not cut it at this level, but I think the guys who say 1 wc attacker will elevate juve to the elite level are misguided. I think they'll need a third wc mf to complement pogba and vidal, probably a playmaker type like hernanes. Also a very good left back and of course a very good attacker in addition to llorente, preferably one that can also generate some danger from the wings like suarez or sanchez. Even barca, one of the most centrally oriented teams has some great fullbacks who can pull the defense apart a bit. Juve has almost nothing in this area. It may sound like a lot, but the elite teams in europe like bayern madrid are putting 11(ok maybe 10) wc players on the pitch. Something less might cut it in serie A, but not against the big boys.

gnrfan wrote:Would a wc class striker have helped that much though? From what I saw their much talked about midfield was totally overrun. pirlo was marked out completely, putting in probably two of his worst performances in a juve jersey, and schweini/martinez/gustavo had marchisio for breakfast. Yes on top of this having gio,quag/matri will not cut it at this level, but I think the guys who say 1 wc attacker will elevate juve to the elite level are misguided. I think they'll need a third wc mf to complement pogba and vidal, probably a playmaker type like hernanes. Also a very good left back and of course a very good attacker in addition to llorente, preferably one that can also generate some danger from the wings like suarez or sanchez. Even barca, one of the most centrally oriented teams has some great fullbacks who can pull the defense apart a bit. Juve has almost nothing in this area. It may sound like a lot, but the elite teams in europe like bayern madrid are putting 11(ok maybe 10) wc players on the pitch. Something less might cut it in serie A, but not against the big boys.

well unfortunately we are not 1 of those spoilt clubs like madrid or city where we can just buy the flavour of the month when we feel like it. calicipoli and secco fkd us as a club and were still paying for it.

I think this is being taken way out of proportion. We went out to a record smashing Bayern side which can comfortably say theyre the best team in the world. If we had deawn Malaga or Galatasaray i think wed definitely be through and i would favor us over PSG too. Even Barca, Dortmund, or Real wouldve been easier than Bayern.in my opinion. Not only because i think Bayern is better, but especially because of Bayerns strength on the wings, where we only have one player out wide on each side, and were missing our starter one on side for each game. I do think we need to improve some things, but its not as drastic as people make it to be. We need:

-A top CF who can link up well with tue ball on the ground, but is also strong in the air and can hold up the ball well. Llorente seems like he could fit us pperfectly.
-A natural left wingback. This would allow us to use Asamoah as a backup LM in emergency, but mainly as a backup CM where hes at his best. Asamoah has been amazing as a LM but its hard to figure out what to do if we want to switch back to a 4-3-3. Can always play Chiellini there but you always want one of the best CBs in the world to play where hes best. It did work beautifully last season though.
-At the latest in next seasons summer trabsfer window we need a vice Pirlo, unoess Pogba steps into that role.

Other than that, i think were set. Added to that, more experience in the CL and wed be all good.

juventus101 wrote:I think this is being taken way out of proportion. We went out to a record smashing Bayern side which can comfortably say theyre the best team in the world. If we had deawn Malaga or Galatasaray i think wed definitely be through and i would favor us over PSG too. Even Barca, Dortmund, or Real wouldve been easier than Bayern.in my opinion. Not only because i think Bayern is better, but especially because of Bayerns strength on the wings, where we only have one player out wide on each side, and were missing our starter one on side for each game. I do think we need to improve some things, but its not as drastic as people make it to be. We need:

-A top CF who can link up well with tue ball on the ground, but is also strong in the air and can hold up the ball well. Llorente seems like he could fit us pperfectly.
-A natural left wingback. This would allow us to use Asamoah as a backup LM in emergency, but mainly as a backup CM where hes at his best. Asamoah has been amazing as a LM but its hard to figure out what to do if we want to switch back to a 4-3-3. Can always play Chiellini there but you always want one of the best CBs in the world to play where hes best. It did work beautifully last season though.
-At the latest in next seasons summer trabsfer window we need a vice Pirlo, unoess Pogba steps into that role.

Other than that, i think were set. Added to that, more experience in the CL and wed be all good.

simple solution clonde ADP

We need Jovetic/Suarez/Sanchez + Hernanes with lazio wth who we are negotiating already ...

and the most important EXPERIENCE we did great tihs year defending serie a ( almost and I am sure we will) and getting so far in UCL its good. everything is coming back together.

gnrfan wrote:Would a wc class striker have helped that much though? From what I saw their much talked about midfield was totally overrun. pirlo was marked out completely, putting in probably two of his worst performances in a juve jersey, and schweini/martinez/gustavo had marchisio for breakfast. Yes on top of this having gio,quag/matri will not cut it at this level, but I think the guys who say 1 wc attacker will elevate juve to the elite level are misguided. I think they'll need a third wc mf to complement pogba and vidal, probably a playmaker type like hernanes. Also a very good left back and of course a very good attacker in addition to llorente, preferably one that can also generate some danger from the wings like suarez or sanchez. Even barca, one of the most centrally oriented teams has some great fullbacks who can pull the defense apart a bit. Juve has almost nothing in this area. It may sound like a lot, but the elite teams in europe like bayern madrid are putting 11(ok maybe 10) wc players on the pitch. Something less might cut it in serie A, but not against the big boys.

They were being pressed, when they did escape, they got it forward, but those forwards failed to keep the ball, wait and allow the midfield to join them so they could maintain possession higher up.

Thats not the midfielders fault.

I think as good as Bayern munich is with their depth and etc , My expectations was higher from Juventus specially in the first Leg .It might anger some Juventus fans but Bayern breeze passed Juve and as a champions of Italy for two consecutive years .Its only seems logical to expect more of resistance and determination .

Juve were good in the second match, if Pirlo scored that freekick than thing could have go in another direction.

But i don't think a WC striker would have changed anyting in these two matches