definitely not 40m worthy. at least not for madrid

Khedira shit

Is it cause he doesn't do holywood passes & fancy tricks

We're shit when Khedira doesn't play ffs

LeDNA wrote:Khedira shit

Is it cause he doesn't do holywood passes & fancy tricks

We're shit when Khedira doesn't play ffs

Of course it's that. Any Real player who doesn't do fancy tricks gets hated on, it's a pattern.
If Modric is a 40m player, Khedira is a 75m player.

Wrong tactics for him that game so was unable to really be effective

VivaStPauli wrote:

LeDNA wrote:Khedira shit

Is it cause he doesn't do holywood passes & fancy tricks

We're shit when Khedira doesn't play ffs

Of course it's that. Any Real player who doesn't do fancy tricks gets hated on, it's a pattern.
If Modric is a 40m player, Khedira is a 75m player.

Modric doesn't do fancy tricks either.

I don't think anyone has vocally rated him above Khedira yet, either.

Our current tactics would make Khedira look better than Xavi or Pirlo just because Khedira can tackle better.

depends on the system. we cant play modric - alonso together against good opposition. need khedira with his defensive presence , so have to choose between alonso or modric , and there is only one choice really.

Crimson wrote:Wrong tactics for him that game so was unable to really be effective

Why does the "best coach in the world" make a bad tactical decision and puts him in to screw up? I don't care if tactics are bad he is not convincing. A good coach should bring out the best in a player should he not?

Modric to Inter in somewhere in the next 2 season for 15 mill,gonna become a legend.

It didn't surprise me one bit that Modric failed to produce today as it just proved my point that Modric will be found out when facing a solid pressing and talented midfield. He needs ridiculous amounts of space to run and distribute but even then his passing is arbitrary and just isn't up to Madrid standard. Real looked better without him.

I barely rare Khedira either (although I rate his tactical sense) but I'd have him anyday over Modric.

The judging after half a season

I can understand if you want to judge him based on today's game, but judging him as a flop or not after half a season is ridiculous IMO. Be a bit patient ffs

danyjr wrote:Khedira is average? Some people really need to watch football with a closer vision, see all the movements, work rates and tactical reading that goes in a game. Same people that used to say (and still say) Busquets is crap.

Making parallels between Khedira and Busquets?

I know of some old men who would absolutely love such comparison

I've wanted De Rossi forever, Completely flexible player, comfortable in all midfield and defensive zones ; Has an excellent shot and can somewhat drive the ball forward and contribute against compact space suffocating teams.

The Modern Matthaus

Modric did alright. Mou lined him up to play more offensively. We needed to win to top the group. Him and Alonso aren't cut out to defend like a true defensive midfielder therefore one of them had to come off. Also, I wouldn't judge a CM on a basis of two games. If he struggles all season long that's another story.

From what i have seen this season there has been nothing to change my mind on him.

He's wonderfully talented but.....

He performs fantastically against small teams but in big games he lets games pass him by physically and mentally.

In England he often would lose the midfield battle in big games due to these exact points and i have seen nothing at Madrid which proves me wrong.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:From what i have seen this season there has been nothing to change my mind on him.

He's wonderfully talented but.....

He performs fantastically against small teams but in big games he lets games pass him by physically and mentally.

In England he often would lose the midfield battle in big games due to these exact points and i have seen nothing at Madrid which proves me wrong.

Özil Mr. Inconsistent, the big game flop I still remember all the banners Modric has got all the tools to succeed. Playing him with Alonso against a team like BVB is like asking a a chick to bench 80kg
P.S. I mean your average chick off the street

this was clearly not the match for him and it showed.

though he did play well i truly expected essien considering we needed a more defensive aggression and tackling in the midfield.

when essien came on it made the world of a difference, not because modric is a bad player, but because mourinho really got his tactics wrong imo

CBarca wrote:The judging after half a season

I can understand if you want to judge him based on today's game, but judging him as a flop or not after half a season is ridiculous IMO. Be a bit patient ffs

This. Modric would kill to have an extra midfielder with him

Not a flop as a player but a flop at Madrid. He will not work in this team. Alonso will not be sacrificed and i would never trade Ozil for Modric in the CAM position! He might play in easy games but i doubt he will play besides Alonso in big games. They have to stick with Alonso and Khedira/Essien. This was a bad buy and you will all see after the season ends. This is just my opinion and i am sticking by it. Another question is what happens to Sahin??? He either doesnt comeback or will never start because now you have to worry about putting Modric somewhere and then Sahin aswell?

is it impossible to play a 3 man midfield? no.

first of all he can play alongside alonso and he has done well doing this the past few games (bar this past dortmund game, i already said this was not the match for him, though he did play well in the first dortmund game alongside alonso)

secondly he can play in a 3 man midfield with alonso and khedira (or essien) i think this suits him best tbh, and i have been pushing for a 4-3-3 since we got alonso

thirdly he can rotate with ozil who often needs competition to keep his form up

so there are plenty of opportunities imo, and this was not a bad purchase. he has been great for us so far.


we have only seen about a quarter of the season (game wise) this is premature, especially considering he didnt play poorly today, he just wasnt the right tactical choice.

white_star wrote:Not a flop as a player but a flop at Madrid. He will not work in this team. Alonso will not be sacrificed and i would never trade Ozil for Modric in the CAM position! He might play in easy games but i doubt he will play besides Alonso in big games. They have to stick with Alonso and Khedira/Essien. This was a bad buy and you will all see after the season ends. This is just my opinion and i am sticking by it. Another question is what happens to Sahin??? He either doesnt comeback or will never start because now you have to worry about putting Modric somewhere and then Sahin aswell?

I don't understand this "He will not work in this team" idea. He is usually paired with Alonso, its a pairing very similar to Scholes - Carrick and that works out pretty well with United, especially against teams they can outplay technically or "weaker" teams if you want to see it that way. That's exactly the kind of teams Madrid face 90% of the time.

It gets harder with teams that field 3 very technical players in midfield, like Barcelona, but then again its always been hard against those teams. The way i see them, the four Madrid midfielders are all different kinds of footballers. I say Alonso as the deep lying playmaker, Modric as the central midfielder, Khedira as a box to box runner and Ozil as the attacking midfielder, Luka adds in depth, options and his all around superb game.

I think Luka is underperforming, however i really think that the whole Madrid squad is underperforming. He was switched off today because of the situation that happened on the field, BVB were very solid with positioning and deadly on the counter, but i don't think it was a mistake to start Modric, if Madrid would position themselves better and overall had avoided the mistakes they made we would be praising him here instead of bashing him.

I think the stats back me up also

Passes
Modric 42
Alonso 94
Essien 30

Pass accuracy percentage
Modric 90%
Alonso 83%
Essien 87%

Key Passes
Modric 2
Alonso 4
Essien 0

Total long balls
Modric 6
Alonso 15
Essien 0

Accurate long balls
Modric 5
Alonso 12
Essien 0

And the defensive stats were 2 Interceptions for Modric, 0 for Essien, 2 clearances for Essien, 1 accurate and 0 for Modric.

I think he did as well as Alonso, considering he only played 45 minutes.

And on a final point about Sahin, if Luka simply cannot work in this team Sahin can't either, considering they are very similar types of players.

It's baffling how when a player like kaka starts finding his form gifting madrid 3 points after another with wins that only get better, only to find his way to warming the bench.

Mourinho will continue to be stubborn, fans ignorant, and madrid will not win a single major trophy this season.

The only positive outcome from this is that mourinho will be fired.

I always wondered how he would fit in at Madrid, and I think Mourinho and Modric have yet to really figure it out. In their current 4-2-3-1, the 3 central midfield roles are pretty clearly defined in their roles. The deep midfields hold or orchestrate play; the advanced midfielder is essentially a fourth attacker. Which does Modric fit into? I’m of the opinion that he fits neither and both at the same time, which is precisely his problem.

I find it amazing that people still don’t rate Modric. Granted his price-tag and the recent pro-longed transfer saga has somewhat inflated his status among some groups. However, he is a very good midfielder. He is also a very balanced midfielder. That’s precisely what’s hurting him at Madrid. He’s not an out-and-out attacker like Ozil, nor is he strictly a deep-lying playmaker or defensive midfielder (granted, I think Khedira is more of a b2b than a dm). Modric excelled at Tottenham as a cm in essentially a 4-4-2, meaning he had defensive and offensive duties. He performed both well, but he didn’t specialize in either.

What always confused me was why Mourinho would have pursued Modric so heavily, even understanding the type of player and the complications to fitting him into the side. TBH, it made me think he would switch to a 4-3-3 with more balanced midfield roles. Modric could fit into this system, as there would be a more fluid exchange of responsibilities between the three midfield players. So far, that doesn’t appear to be the case, and thus we have threads like this. It simply doesn’t make sense to have pursued Modric so heavily if you weren’t going to put him into a situation where he could succeed.

Give me a RB so we can play:


RB----Pepe---Ramos----Marcelo
------------Xabi
-----Sami-------Modric
------------Ozil
--Higuain-------Ronaldo


Or a 433 with Ozil false 9 and Benz out right/vice-versa.

But basically Di Maria, Ozil or Benz/Hig get sacrificed to put Modric in a place to succeed

daneq wrote:Give me a RB so we can play:


RB----Pepe---Ramos----Marcelo
------------Xabi
-----Sami-------Modric
------------Ozil
--Higuain-------Ronaldo


Or a 433 with Ozil false 9 and Benz out right/vice-versa.

But basically Di Maria, Ozil or Benz/Hig get sacrificed to put Modric in a place to succeed

That line up will not win Madrid anything. It is full of inconsistent players; Ronaldo wont be able to shoulder the team on his own.

huntsman wrote:

daneq wrote:Give me a RB so we can play:


RB----Pepe---Ramos----Marcelo
------------Xabi
-----Sami-------Modric
------------Ozil
--Higuain-------Ronaldo


Or a 433 with Ozil false 9 and Benz out right/vice-versa.

But basically Di Maria, Ozil or Benz/Hig get sacrificed to put Modric in a place to succeed

That line up will not win Madrid anything. It is full of inconsistent players; Ronaldo wont be able to shoulder the team on his own.

Lemme guess... Kaka's not in it?