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Re: Bayern vs Real Madrid, the next round
I have watched Bayern quite alot this season, the Bayern players have nobody to pass to in the box, he has had some goals after getting subbed on
Do i care how many goals he scores against Jahn Regensburg or whatever they are called???
The guy has only had one full game, not because of rotation but because he is mediocre
The two games he played in CL just highlights how bad he is, despite Bayern being in good form going in to that game and playing a Valencia not in particular good form, he wasn't even close to scoring not to mention Bate who in his defence are the best club in the world, he was subbed in once and subbed out the other
great signing??? lol
Do i care how many goals he scores against Jahn Regensburg or whatever they are called???
The guy has only had one full game, not because of rotation but because he is mediocre
The two games he played in CL just highlights how bad he is, despite Bayern being in good form going in to that game and playing a Valencia not in particular good form, he wasn't even close to scoring not to mention Bate who in his defence are the best club in the world, he was subbed in once and subbed out the other
great signing??? lol
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halamadrid2 wrote:I have watched Bayern quite alot this season, the Bayern players have nobody to pass to in the box, he has had some goals after getting subbed on
Do i care how many goals he scores against Jahn Regensburg or whatever they are called???
The guy has only had one full game, not because of rotation but because he is mediocre
The two games he played in CL just highlights how bad he is, despite Bayern being in good form going in to that game and playing a Valencia not in particular good form, he wasn't even close to scoring not to mention Bate who in his defence are the best club in the world, he was subbed in once and subbed out the other
great signing??? lol
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Do you realize he was signed for 0million and he's doing better than Benzema when he first arrive in Madrid
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Normally I would take Idrio's opinions with a pinch of salt but I myself must admit Mandzukic has been stellar.
Normally I never really rated him as the Juve fans were with me when they dreaded his signing of the summer but when you bench a world class striker such as Mario Gomez while racking up world class stats such as those, he is up there amongst the best signings without a doubt. I still feel Gomez is somewhat better for Heynckes's system yet he definitely has slotted seamlessly into Bayern with his impressive general play and link up. Reminds me a bit of Sheva of sorts.
Lets see if he can keep this form up for the whole season.
Normally I never really rated him as the Juve fans were with me when they dreaded his signing of the summer but when you bench a world class striker such as Mario Gomez while racking up world class stats such as those, he is up there amongst the best signings without a doubt. I still feel Gomez is somewhat better for Heynckes's system yet he definitely has slotted seamlessly into Bayern with his impressive general play and link up. Reminds me a bit of Sheva of sorts.
Lets see if he can keep this form up for the whole season.
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Arquitecto wrote:Normally I would take Idrio's opinions with a pinch of salt but I myself must admit Mandzukic has been stellar.
Normally I never really rated him as the Juve fans were with me when they dreaded his signing of the summer but when you bench a world class striker such as Mario Gomez while racking up world class stats such as those, he is up there amongst the best signings without a doubt. I still feel Gomez is somewhat better for Heynckes's system yet he definitely has slotted seamlessly into Bayern with his impressive general play and link up. Reminds me a bit of Sheva of sorts.
Lets see if he can keep this form up for the whole season.
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First he lied about Gomez about a year ago and said Madrid dominated Bayern(away match) even though Bayern had more attempt on goal and 55 ball possession to Madrid 45.
You know little about Bayern, Mandzukic is not benching Gomez
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urbaNRoots wrote:halamadrid2 wrote:I have watched Bayern quite alot this season, the Bayern players have nobody to pass to in the box, he has had some goals after getting subbed on
Do i care how many goals he scores against Jahn Regensburg or whatever they are called???
The guy has only had one full game, not because of rotation but because he is mediocre
The two games he played in CL just highlights how bad he is, despite Bayern being in good form going in to that game and playing a Valencia not in particular good form, he wasn't even close to scoring not to mention Bate who in his defence are the best club in the world, he was subbed in once and subbed out the other
great signing??? lol
Don't know what in hell you're smoking but Mandzukic has been great. Not the best signing so far but certainly a good signing and not even close of being "mediocre".
He's speaking of Pizarro, he should have clarified it, but nevertheless still a bad assessment as Pizarro has done so well for a free 33years old transfer.
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The Messiah wrote:halamadrid2 wrote:The Messiah wrote:![]()
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Do you realize he was signed for 0million and he's doing better than Benzema when he first arrive in Madrid
he was signed for 13 million. *EDIT* u meant pizarro? ok 0 million are true then and yes he was not a good signing.
other than that yea he did very well. i don't consider him close to the top strikers in the world like good ol' messiah but he does his job very well. he won't decide games on his own and it remains to be seen how he does against truely great opposition. for now he is just a very good role player in my eyes
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The Messiah wrote:Arquitecto wrote:Normally I would take Idrio's opinions with a pinch of salt but I myself must admit Mandzukic has been stellar.
Normally I never really rated him as the Juve fans were with me when they dreaded his signing of the summer but when you bench a world class striker such as Mario Gomez while racking up world class stats such as those, he is up there amongst the best signings without a doubt. I still feel Gomez is somewhat better for Heynckes's system yet he definitely has slotted seamlessly into Bayern with his impressive general play and link up. Reminds me a bit of Sheva of sorts.
Lets see if he can keep this form up for the whole season.
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First he lied about Gomez about a year ago and said Madrid dominated Bayern(away match) even though Bayern had more attempt on goal and 55 ball possession to Madrid 45.
You know little about Bayern, Mandzukic is not benching Gomez
1. I asked you in that thread on how to point out WHERE I lied about Gomez. You didn't respond.
2. Madrid won 2-1 at the Bernebeu. As for the rest of that argument I completely pawned you in the final say yet you disappeared again.
3. Your feeble attempts at salvaging victory in certain debates are hilarious
https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t25077p72-ribery-gunning-for-win-34-draw-0-lose-0
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urbaNRoots wrote:Don't know what in hell you're smoking but Mandzukic has been great. Not the best signing so far but certainly a good signing and not even close of being "mediocre".
Smoking kills!!
Compared to what they had before, yes Manduzic is bad, i mean Joselu played better than him when Hoffenheim met Bayern.
Its like us calling Callegoat WC because he had such a great scoring record, you don't see that do you??
Also Arq, Gomez is injured hence why Manduzic is playing and despite that he can never play a full game. go fiigure
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Toffer Harley wrote:he was signed for 13 million.
other than that yea he did very well. i don't consider him close to the top strikers in the world like good ol' messiah but he does his job very well. he won't decide games on his own and it remains to be seen how he does against truely great opposition. for now he is just a very good role player in my eyes
This, i don't see him as more than this
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halamadrid2 wrote:urbaNRoots wrote:Don't know what in hell you're smoking but Mandzukic has been great. Not the best signing so far but certainly a good signing and not even close of being "mediocre".
Smoking kills!!
Compared to what they had before, yes Manduzic is bad, i mean Joselu played better than him when Hoffenheim met Bayern.
Its like us calling Callegoat WC because he had such a great scoring record, you don't see that do you??
Also Arq, Gomez is injured hence why Manduzic is playing and despite that he can never play a full game. go fiigure
Were you actually referring to Mandzukic...?
Unbelievable
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eventhough i don't agree with him being mediocre, the comparison to callejon isn't that far off. with the surrounding players quite many strikers would score a couple, honestly.
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Toffer Harley wrote:The Messiah wrote:halamadrid2 wrote:The Messiah wrote:![]()
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Do you realize he was signed for 0million and he's doing better than Benzema when he first arrive in Madrid
he was signed for 13 million. *EDIT* u meant pizarro? ok 0 million are true then and yes he was not a good signing.
other than that yea he did very well. i don't consider him close to the top strikers in the world like good ol' messiah but he does his job very well. he won't decide games on his own and it remains to be seen how he does against truely great opposition. for now he is just a very good role player in my eyes
First of all I would like to give you credit for clarifying things by saying 'I don't consider' why..? because it's your opinion and doesn't hold any weight.
Top strikers are considered top strikers because they are doing their job right, which frankly Mandzukic has done so well both for club and country, so your opinion aside, in reality he's now one of the top 7 strikers in the world.
He won't decide game for himself, realy..? and he decided german super cup and won us our first trophy this season, something Gomez couldn't do.
He single handedly blew Dortmund s defense into smithereens, he smacked the first goal in and made killer pass for Robben to finish.
well, I suppose because Hamburg defeated Dortmund you no longer consider them as a top club, but remember that match was based on luck
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The Messiah wrote:Toffer Harley wrote:The Messiah wrote:halamadrid2 wrote:The Messiah wrote:![]()
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Do you realize he was signed for 0million and he's doing better than Benzema when he first arrive in Madrid
he was signed for 13 million. *EDIT* u meant pizarro? ok 0 million are true then and yes he was not a good signing.
other than that yea he did very well. i don't consider him close to the top strikers in the world like good ol' messiah but he does his job very well. he won't decide games on his own and it remains to be seen how he does against truely great opposition. for now he is just a very good role player in my eyes
First of all I would like to give you credit for clarifying this by saying 'I don't consider@ why..? because it's your opinion and doesn't hold any weight.
Top strikers are considered top strikers because they are doing their job right, which frankly Mandzukic has done so well both for club and country, so your opinion aside, in reality he's now one of the top 7 strikers in the world.
He won't decide game for himself, realy..? and he decided german super cup and won us our first trophy this season, something Gomez couldn't do.
He single handedly blew Dortmund s defense into smithereens, he smacked the first goal in and made killer pass for Robben to finish.
well, I suppose because Hamburg defeated Dortmund you no longer consider them as a top club, but remember that match was based on luck
Reply to my most recent post. I'd like to see how you will respond accordingly. The link for the Ribery thread is also provided.
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halamadrid2 wrote:urbaNRoots wrote:Don't know what in hell you're smoking but Mandzukic has been great. Not the best signing so far but certainly a good signing and not even close of being "mediocre".
Smoking kills!!
Compared to what they had before, yes Manduzic is bad, i mean Joselu played better than him when Hoffenheim met Bayern.
Its like us calling Callegoat WC because he had such a great scoring record, you don't see that do you??
Also Arq, Gomez is injured hence why Manduzic is playing and despite that he can never play a full game. go fiigure
WC? The Messiah ffs
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I don't think he's world class either but he's a good back up and I only reacted to the "mediocre" comment, didn't know he actually called Mandzukic world class.
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Mandzukic is world-class, at some point in this forum no considered Gomez as world-class, he was a laughing stock but I stood by him all by myself and he delivered, proved his worth, now look.
Madrid fans try to say Higuain is world-class for the past 2 years, the whole forum agrees with them like sheeple, what has he really done to warrant him being called world-class...? nothing,.
Mandzukic is a world-class and he will prove you guys wrong like Gomez did.
Madrid fans try to say Higuain is world-class for the past 2 years, the whole forum agrees with them like sheeple, what has he really done to warrant him being called world-class...? nothing,.
Mandzukic is a world-class and he will prove you guys wrong like Gomez did.
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The Messiah wrote:Mandzukic is world-class, at some point in this forum no considered Gomez as world-class, he was a laughing stock but I stood by him all by myself and he delivered, proved his worth, now look.
Madrid fans try to say Higuain is world-class for the past 2 years, the whole forum agrees with them like sheeple, what has he really done to warrant him being called world-class...? nothing,.
Mandzukic is a world-class and he will prove you guys wrong like Gomez did.
Still waiting for your reply on my previous post. I don't want your fallacious crap to rise up again.
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I remember how everyone here was also not rating Badstuber, saying he's clumsy, I had to defend him all by myself for a long time, and now we can all see he's a good defender. Give credit when it's due, when Alaba won Austria best player, everyone was bashing him, until of course when they realized they were wrong after the Madrid match.
A player should not be considered worldclass because he isn't playing in La-liga, EPL or Seria, even in bundesliga we have world-class players
A player should not be considered worldclass because he isn't playing in La-liga, EPL or Seria, even in bundesliga we have world-class players
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Arquitecto wrote:The Messiah wrote:Mandzukic is world-class, at some point in this forum no considered Gomez as world-class, he was a laughing stock but I stood by him all by myself and he delivered, proved his worth, now look.
Madrid fans try to say Higuain is world-class for the past 2 years, the whole forum agrees with them like sheeple, what has he really done to warrant him being called world-class...? nothing,.
Mandzukic is a world-class and he will prove you guys wrong like Gomez did.
Still waiting for your reply on my previous post. I don't want your fallacious crap to rise up again.
what post...? can you point out point, if it doesn't make as usual, then I will dismiss it instantly
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The Messiah wrote:Arquitecto wrote:The Messiah wrote:Mandzukic is world-class, at some point in this forum no considered Gomez as world-class, he was a laughing stock but I stood by him all by myself and he delivered, proved his worth, now look.
Madrid fans try to say Higuain is world-class for the past 2 years, the whole forum agrees with them like sheeple, what has he really done to warrant him being called world-class...? nothing,.
Mandzukic is a world-class and he will prove you guys wrong like Gomez did.
Still waiting for your reply on my previous post. I don't want your fallacious crap to rise up again.
what post...? can point your out, if it doesn't make as usual, then I will dismiss it instantly
First he lied about Gomez about a year ago and said Madrid dominated Bayern(away match) even though Bayern had more attempt on goal and 55 ball possession to Madrid 45.
You know little about Bayern, Mandzukic is not benching Gomez
1. I asked you in that thread on how to point out WHERE I lied about Gomez. You didn't respond.
2. Madrid won 2-1 at the Bernebeu. As for the rest of that argument I completely pawned you in the final say yet you disappeared again.
3. Your feeble attempts at salvaging victory in certain debates are hilarious
https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t25077p72-ribery-gunning-for-win-34-draw-0-lose-0
If you want closer reference.
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5percent in Football means a lot, in case you didn't know now you know.
You said Madrid dominated bayern(way) but that is a lie like you lied about Gomez I a dialogue we had about a year ago. It's a shame for Bayern to play Madrid at their own stadium with 5percent more possession and more attempt than Madrid.
Our chances for were clear cut chance, wasted by Gomez and Robben, anyway I believe people already know who is superior between Bayern and Madrid, no point having a dialogue with Bayern hater.
Anyway, back on topic now, I hope Bayern win all their league matches and I hope we encounter Madrid again this season, I getting frustrated here and people need to be thought a lesson again, anyway I am pretty sure injury fit Dortmund will punish Madrid Baldy, too bad I will be on a flight the day the match is play, nevertheless if I get a safe flight back home, I will watch the highlight with joy, knowing that Dortmund will break some wings, that have started to grow again, after just 1 league in like how many years
5 percent is NOT a big difference from anywhere as this amounts up to a less then 6:4 ratio and up to 42 seconds. In case I didn't make it clear enough. Bayern is a possession team while Real Madrid and a COUNTER-ATTACKING team. Which essentially means they are content with Bayern having there possession while Real try to exploit them on the break. Also a difference between where you have possession as well. Need I mention how many clear cut chances Real had? Or how Badstuber wasn't miraculously sent off for his disgraceful tackle?
And I have no idea of what "lie" about a Gomez dialogue you and I made on this forum.
And yes I agree Bayern and Madrid should be playing off again as I'll be supporting Bayern all the way. I like you confidence about Dortmund yet Real are a far better team then the out of form and experimental City Dortmund faced and I doubt if they can't dominate Ajax, that they can dominate a tactically superior Madrid.
This is from your Ribery thread.
Go for it.
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I wonder how Bayern failed to beat Bate Borisov with all these WC players ![hmm](/users/3313/22/97/24/smiles/2238782717.gif)
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YOU were defending Holger Badstuber?The Messiah wrote:I remember how everyone here was also not rating Badstuber, saying he's clumsy, I had to defend him all by myself for a long time, and now we can all see he's a good defender.
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Last I checked it was always me who had to defend poor Stubsi from your red-hot attacks...
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Arquitecto wrote:The Messiah wrote:Arquitecto wrote:The Messiah wrote:Mandzukic is world-class, at some point in this forum no considered Gomez as world-class, he was a laughing stock but I stood by him all by myself and he delivered, proved his worth, now look.
Madrid fans try to say Higuain is world-class for the past 2 years, the whole forum agrees with them like sheeple, what has he really done to warrant him being called world-class...? nothing,.
Mandzukic is a world-class and he will prove you guys wrong like Gomez did.
Still waiting for your reply on my previous post. I don't want your fallacious crap to rise up again.
what post...? can point your out, if it doesn't make as usual, then I will dismiss it instantly
First he lied about Gomez about a year ago and said Madrid dominated Bayern(away match) even though Bayern had more attempt on goal and 55 ball possession to Madrid 45.
You know little about Bayern, Mandzukic is not benching Gomez
1. I asked you in that thread on how to point out WHERE I lied about Gomez. You didn't respond.
2. Madrid won 2-1 at the Bernebeu. As for the rest of that argument I completely pawned you in the final say yet you disappeared again.
3. Your feeble attempts at salvaging victory in certain debates are hilarious
https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t25077p72-ribery-gunning-for-win-34-draw-0-lose-0
If you want closer reference.
The Messiah wrote:
5percent in Football means a lot, in case you didn't know now you know.
You said Madrid dominated bayern(way) but that is a lie like you lied about Gomez I a dialogue we had about a year ago. It's a shame for Bayern to play Madrid at their own stadium with 5percent more possession and more attempt than Madrid.
Our chances for were clear cut chance, wasted by Gomez and Robben, anyway I believe people already know who is superior between Bayern and Madrid, no point having a dialogue with Bayern hater.
Anyway, back on topic now, I hope Bayern win all their league matches and I hope we encounter Madrid again this season, I getting frustrated here and people need to be thought a lesson again, anyway I am pretty sure injury fit Dortmund will punish Madrid Baldy, too bad I will be on a flight the day the match is play, nevertheless if I get a safe flight back home, I will watch the highlight with joy, knowing that Dortmund will break some wings, that have started to grow again, after just 1 league in like how many years
5 percent is NOT a big difference from anywhere as this amounts up to a less then 6:4 ratio and up to 42 seconds. In case I didn't make it clear enough. Bayern is a possession team while Real Madrid and a COUNTER-ATTACKING team. Which essentially means they are content with Bayern having there possession while Real try to exploit them on the break. Also a difference between where you have possession as well. Need I mention how many clear cut chances Real had? Or how Badstuber wasn't miraculously sent off for his disgraceful tackle?
And I have no idea of what "lie" about a Gomez dialogue you and I made on this forum.
And yes I agree Bayern and Madrid should be playing off again as I'll be supporting Bayern all the way. I like you confidence about Dortmund yet Real are a far better team then the out of form and experimental City Dortmund faced and I doubt if they can't dominate Ajax, that they can dominate a tactically superior Madrid.
This is from your Ribery thread.
Go for it.
Do you know how difficult it is to dugout a year old long thread...?
But I will do it anyways, not because it's important, but just so the whole forum can know you for who you truly are.
Like I said earlier, we met Madrid, we defeated them and progressed to the final, your opinion holds absolutely no weight. The burden of proof is now on Madrid to show the reason why they think they can equal Bayern. Both Madrid and Bayern had their opportunity to proof who is better, and of course one proved why they are better and the other fell.
Also in history they have a ridiculous stat against us, it's not surprising that our last 2 meetings in Champions league we have kicked them out.
As a Bayern fan I can not give credit to Madrid, they are not worthy of our credit, why..? because we always beat them
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Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I wonder how Bayern failed to beat Bate Borisov with all these WC players
You win some and lose some, even small teams have chance against big teams, otherwise whats the point of playing.
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