Re: Shameful ways to win Ballon Dor

by harhar11 Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:19 pm

Jack Daniels wrote:It's getting hot in here lol.

BTW i love the argument of Barca being 6th without Messi.

6th lol what crap team. Oh sure they did beat the hell out of us these past few years. But who cares lol. 6th!? Best "TEAM" of all time i guess lol.

Dude, how many point less did we get than you? Not a single logical barca fan will say that last season the team was up to its standard a.k.a the standard that made some say that Barca were the best team ever, not a single one. And the only player that was up to his standard was Messi (maybe busquets and mascherano) not Xavi, not Iniesta, not Pique, not Valdes, not Pedro and not Sanchez. Then we had some important player who were injured alot, like Xavi, puyol and Villa. Last season Messi really did do almost everything in the last third by himself..

by Jack Daniels Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:39 pm

harhar11 wrote:
Jack Daniels wrote:It's getting hot in here lol.

BTW i love the argument of Barca being 6th without Messi.

6th lol what crap team. Oh sure they did beat the hell out of us these past few years. But who cares lol. 6th!? Best "TEAM" of all time i guess lol.

Dude, how many point less did we get than you? Not a single logical barca fan will say that last season the team was up to its standard a.k.a the standard that made some say that Barca were the best team ever, not a single one. And the only player that was up to his standard was Messi (maybe busquets and mascherano) not Xavi, not Iniesta, not Pique, not Valdes, not Pedro and not Sanchez. Then we had some important player who were injured alot, like Xavi, puyol and Villa. Last season Messi really did do almost everything in the last third by himself..

Dude i was just joking to stoke the fire lol.

by Le Samourai Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:17 pm

Balon D Or rofl

Give it to Ronaldo. It's almost like giving it to a tanned Sneijder with hair...bring balance to the universe :bow:

by danyjr Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:18 pm

Messi gets compared to Pele and Maradona every week. Ronaldo gets compared to Messi. What does that say? Messi is not just better than Ronaldo. He is a whole level higher than him.

Messi shat on Cristina in every aspect last season. He deserves Balon d'Or it and it would be a crime if he doesn't win it.

by Swanhends Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:20 pm

Ballon D'or is a sham

#JusticeForMilito

by Rebaño Sagrado Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:35 pm

Don't get why people argue over this award so much...

As long as Xavi, Messi, Iniesta, Cr7, or Vela wins it who gives a shit?

I mean if someone like Cisse wins the award then it would be a crime, but as long as one of those top players wins it I could care less.

by pewpew Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:50 pm

Le Samourai wrote:Balon D Or

Give it to Ronaldo. It's almost like giving it to a tanned Sneijder with hair...bring balance to the universe

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by El Fenomeno Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:03 pm

the campaign to get Ronaldo the ballon d'or only started when he scored that tap in at the Nou Camp, it was like a weight had been lifted because he had played so badly their for years.

Individually Messi has surpassed him, no question. His a ridiculous goal scorer, and more importantly, a ridiculous creator of goals. Ronaldo can only claim to be one of those.

As for Mourinho, he's just drumming up a campaign to help his friend out, he is a hypocrite though, changed days from when he said ronaldo was 'uneducated' and a 20 year old Messi was better than him!

by buddytaller Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:17 pm

It would be a great shame if Ronaldo does not win the award this year, but then again Messi won it in 2010 despite having a worse year that Sneijder, Xavi and Iniesta.

FFS, Messi won the award when he was shit and diving all over the place at the Copa America in 2011, at least Ronaldo had a decent EUROS on top of a record breaking la liga season.

Mourinho couldn't have said it any better.

by El Fenomeno Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:19 pm

buddytaller wrote:It would be a great shame if Ronaldo does not win the award this year, but then again Messi won it in 2010 despite having a worse year that Sneijder, Xavi and Iniesta.

FFS, Messi won the award when he was shit and diving all over the place at the Copa America in 2011, at least Ronaldo had a decent EUROS on top of a record breaking la liga season.

Mourinho couldn't have said it any better.

you're so desperate to see messi fail you have a signature of what is probably one of the only times Marcelo has actually won the ball from Messi.

Ronaldo didn;t play well at the euros anyway, he was abysmal first 2 games, tore the worst side in the tournament apart (holland) and went missing against Spain.

Its an award for individual brilliance, Sneijder won more but individually Messi was streets ahead of everyone and thats why people voted for him.

by Die Borussen Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:28 pm

people confuse sometimes the purpose of this award

just cause messi is the best doesnt mean he deserves it, otherwise we should just hand it to him until he retires
i really dont see how messi deserves it more than cristiano this season, i would mention iniesta too for his amazing performance on the euros but given the difference in his goals ammount with messi & cr will feel wrong.

even if messi had an overall better performance each game and goal ratio the fact that cristiano's achievements actually led to glory says something.

for example its like saying the best team of this season was barca whereas chelsea won the competition, it feels and it is wrong to say it.
something like that occures in this situation too.
since madrid won the league and cristiano played a significant role for it as well as for the vital game against bayern where he kept madrid alive until the shootout, given also his decent performance on the euros
it wouldnt be wrong to hand it to cristiano this time

whoever of the two gets it i guess its alright, they both deserve it, but in no way one of the two is far ahead and im talking for the specific season's performance

by El Fenomeno Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:30 pm

Ninis wrote:people confuse sometimes the purpose of this award

just cause messi is the best doesnt mean he deserves it, otherwise we should just hand it to him until he retires
i really dont see how messi deserves it more than cristiano this season, i would mention iniesta too for his amazing performance on the euros but given the difference in his goals ammount with messi & cr will feel wrong.

even if messi had an overall better performance each game and goal ratio the fact that cristiano's achievements actually led to glory says something.

for example its like saying the best team of this season was barca whereas chelsea won the competition, it feels and it is wrong to say it.
something like that occures in this situation too.
since madrid won the league and cristiano played a significant role for it as well as for the vital game against bayern where he kept madrid alive until the shootout, given also his decent performance on the euros
it wouldnt be wrong to hand it to cristiano this time

whoever of the two gets it i guess its alright, they both deserve it, but in no way one of the two is far ahead and im talking for the specific season's performance

says what though?

some would argue that is says his team mates pulled their weight more than Messi's did and thats why he ended up with a league winners medal.

by baresi Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:33 pm

Ninis wrote:people confuse sometimes the purpose of this award

just cause messi is the best doesnt mean he deserves it, otherwise we should just hand it to him until he retires
i really dont see how messi deserves it more than cristiano this season, i would mention iniesta too for his amazing performance on the euros but given the difference in his goals ammount with messi & cr will feel wrong.

even if messi had an overall better performance each game and goal ratio the fact that cristiano's achievements actually led to glory says something.

for example its like saying the best team of this season was barca whereas chelsea won the competition, it feels and it is wrong to say it.
something like that occures in this situation too.
since madrid won the league and cristiano played a significant role for it as well as for the vital game against bayern where he kept madrid alive until the shootout, given also his decent performance on the euros
it wouldnt be wrong to hand it to cristiano this time

whoever of the two gets it i guess its alright, they both deserve it, but in no way one of the two is far ahead and im talking for the specific season's performance

Totally agree, this is not a skills award or individual brilliance as some make it sound, if so Ronaldinho would have won it for 3-4 times.

by danyjr Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:35 pm

El Fenomeno wrote:you're so desperate to see messi fail you have a signature of what is probably one of the only times Marcelo has actually won the ball from Messi.

by Lex Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:43 pm

So even when pedantic, scary Jiopsi proved, with facts, that Messi's had a better 2012 year, it's still up for debate?

by Onyx Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:43 pm

Ballon d'Or = the best player?

or

Ballon d'Or = the player who played a big part in his side winning a trophy?

by danyjr Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:51 pm

The FIFA Ballon d'Or is a football award given annually to the player who is considered to have performed the best in the previous season.

Trophy or not, it doesn't matter because trophy is a team award not an individual award.

And it's not like Madrid won a sextuple, they only won La Liga last season. At other competitions they were second best to Barça.

by pewpew Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:51 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:Ballon d'Or = the best player?

or

Ballon d'Or = the player who played a big part in his side winning a trophy?

messi fanboys gonna mess Smile

by Die Borussen Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:52 pm

El Fenomeno wrote:
Ninis wrote:people confuse sometimes the purpose of this award

just cause messi is the best doesnt mean he deserves it, otherwise we should just hand it to him until he retires
i really dont see how messi deserves it more than cristiano this season, i would mention iniesta too for his amazing performance on the euros but given the difference in his goals ammount with messi & cr will feel wrong.

even if messi had an overall better performance each game and goal ratio the fact that cristiano's achievements actually led to glory says something.

for example its like saying the best team of this season was barca whereas chelsea won the competition, it feels and it is wrong to say it.
something like that occures in this situation too.
since madrid won the league and cristiano played a significant role for it as well as for the vital game against bayern where he kept madrid alive until the shootout, given also his decent performance on the euros
it wouldnt be wrong to hand it to cristiano this time

whoever of the two gets it i guess its alright, they both deserve it, but in no way one of the two is far ahead and im talking for the specific season's performance

says what though?

some would argue that is says his team mates pulled their weight more than Messi's did and thats why he ended up with a league winners medal.

they are both the focal points of their teams, considering that every outcome of a game would depend mainly on them hence all the arguments about messi actually being barcelona and cristiano real madrid

i know it doesnt entirely justify my point but it doesnt have to
thats why the ones who usually get the award(s) are the ones who play for big clubs and win things
they are part of the best clubs in the world so external factors shouldnt take place

what im saying is it also goes vice versa, i could very well complain on why ibra didnt get it when he was at milan since his team didnt help as much as it helped messi that time.
it goes with what you have and what you will achieve with it.
maybe real madrid as a team unit did better but it included ronaldo and since he is a participant for the award, the league win should be considered as something he contributed more on maintaining it than messi (and) his teammates did for their team.

danyjr wrote:The FIFA Ballon d'Or is a football award given annually to the player who is considered to have performed the best in the previous season.

Trophy or not, it doesn't matter because trophy is a team award not an individual award.

And it's not like Madrid won a sextuple, they only won La Liga last season. At other competitions they were second best to Barça.

well no one is saying ronaldo should get it Only cause his team won the league, it just helps the situation
you win a team award (trophy) with individuals who perform as a unit, but if one of those individuals makes the difference aka be the best of the rest and most valuable for winning it ( considering the stats ) then it should affect the outcome ballon's winner

by buddytaller Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:15 pm

It's interesting how some people are underrating the importance of winning trophies in awarding individuals. Does anyone here, believe Iniesta would have won the European best player of the year award if Spain had been knocked out of the Euro's.

The award has always been won by individuals who've won big trophies in a year, except in exceptional circumstances when no player who won a big trophy really stood out that year.

Any way the Ballon D'Or is a political award and it's good Mourinho has started the campaign very early, right now Ronaldo has three votes in the bag, that of Casillas, the Portuguese Captain and the Portuguese coach. More work to be done before the votes are cast.

by Real Kandahar Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:15 pm

scores 73 goals, except when it counts lol flopped against chelsea, missed penalty, flopped against ac milan, scored 2 penalties, flopped against madrid, lost the league...

but oh he beat the crap out of leverkusen and um that romanian club in group stages i think :S

in all seriousness however, i think of balond'or as not saying who's better, but who had a better season, ronaldo scored against ever la liga team, scored against barcelona 7 times in one year, denied barcelona the league,,. got his mediocre at best, team to euro semi finals, ... scored winner against manchester city... scored hattrick against champions of holland.. scored double against holland... goddamn lol

im not saying he's better than messi, but indeed he had a better season... without him.. we would not win a single cup...

the way benz and higuain perform in big matches, without ronaldo, we would lose every big game, and basically we would be real madrid of pre 2010...

by Real Kandahar Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:18 pm

danyjr wrote:The FIFA Ballon d'Or is a football award given annually to the player who is considered to have performed the best in the previous season.

Trophy or not, it doesn't matter because trophy is a team award not an individual award.

And it's not like Madrid won a sextuple, they only won La Liga last season. At other competitions they were second best to Barça.

aww trying to erase memory and forgot super cup defeat so quick eh? hey tell me which med u use to erase memory? i might need it in future...

by kiranr Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:39 pm

Real Kandahar wrote:scores 73 goals, except when it counts lol flopped against chelsea, missed penalty, flopped against ac milan, scored 2 penalties, flopped against madrid, lost the league...

but oh he beat the crap out of leverkusen and um that romanian club in group stages i think :S

in all seriousness however, i think of balond'or as not saying who's better, but who had a better season, ronaldo scored against ever la liga team, scored against barcelona 7 times in one year, denied barcelona the league,,. got his mediocre at best, team to euro semi finals, ... scored winner against manchester city... scored hattrick against champions of holland.. scored double against holland... goddamn lol

im not saying he's better than messi, but indeed he had a better season... without him.. we would not win a single cup...

the way benz and higuain perform in big matches, without ronaldo, we would lose every big game, and basically we would be real madrid of pre 2010...

I am sorry, but last season Messi's performances were head and shoulders above Ronaldo's. I am not saying Messi should get the Balon D'or, but he definitely performed at a much higher level than Ronaldo.

I just cannot understand how anyone can say CR performed better than Messi last season. Did you guys not watch any match? Let us be clear. The only argument for CR receiving the Balon D'or is that Madrid won a trophy. There is nothing else he is ahead in.

by Onyx Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:44 pm

Yaya Toure played a big part in Man City winning the EPL.

Why's he not a contender? Because he isn't a goalscorer?

Iniesta wasn't a goalscorer, yet won the Euro award.

by Real Kandahar Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:45 pm

u didn't even read my post kirnar i gave some possible reasons

by Real Kandahar Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:48 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:Yaya Toure played a big part in Man City winning the EPL.

Why's he not a contender? Because he isn't a goalscorer?

Iniesta wasn't a goalscorer, yet won the Euro award.

LOL wtf winning epl on goal difference? where was your yaya when Man City got dumped in europe, ? and even europa league? please think more before comparing players with a heaven of difference between them... please

Iniesta is not the reason Spain won euro, spain could have won it without Iniesta... say if Santi Cazorla or mata played instead of Iniesta, spain with that squad would STILL OWN EUROS... but real madrid would get crapped on if ronaldo was injured or not there for big games.... as we have been seeing recently.

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