juventus101 wrote:Yes, Messi has been said to be one of the best players of all time by many peers. But the fact is, he needs to prove himself on the international stage. And where were Xavi and Iniesta in that time between Ronnie declining and Messi reaching his full potential?

Xavi was winning playmaker of the year in 08 years in a row so the BS of him not being recognised is a load of shite. If i rmemeber correctly he won it Oh yea, they were nowhere to be heard of. Or before Ronnie, as Xavis older now and has been around for a long time. Oh yea, nowhere again. Im not saying all 3 are not some of the best the world has ever seen, but Messi being called the best ever and Xavi/Iniesta the best CMs ever is a ioke, sorry. They have alot more to prove. Yes, Xavi and Iniesta have so much to prove, wining more trophies sequencially than any other footballers in history. Name me a mf that has dominated like theirs. Name me a mf that has been as successful for both club and country. Name me a bunch old players that have won more than those two in terms of trophy prestige. You can't and that is the truth. So I suppose Messi and Ronaldinho are also responsible for Spain's success now.

And last 5-6 years? Barcas been "dominating" since 09. Spain has been "dominating" since 08. 6 years ago was 06, Barca won the CL in 05-06 thanks to Ronnie carrying them. Then Ronnie declined/stopped trying and Xavi and Iniesta didnt do shit until Messi hit his prime in 09. Spain was nobodies until 08. Ronnie carried Barcelona so much that he flopped in that final and Larson had to sdave Barcelona, but carry on. Same as pirlo carrying Juventus eh. Pipe down. Messi hasn't hit his prime. He was injury prone before 09, and Pepe based the team around Xavi and inesta, same as Luis Aragones. Hence why Barcelon and Spian became more successful. What is the common denominator? Yes, it is not messi, it is Xavi, get over your pathetic jelousy. Nobodies? Spain were known as the perenial under achiever because they constantly reached Semis and QF but lacked the killer blow you mug.

Now explain to me how Barca has proven themselves better than Bayern. By getting beat by the same team that Bayern beat (Real)? By beating Germany who were missing their best player off of a BS second yellow card, who were a counterattacking team at that time, and yet Spain still could only win from a one in a million flying Puyol header from a tactical defensive mistake. By barely getting past one of the weakest German teams in memory in 08, when Spain were arguably at their strongest? By Germany going through a terrible run of form before and during the Euro in 2012, and getting knocked out before they could play? Please, tell me. Cuz BARCA HAS NOT PROVEN ANYTHING AGAINST BAYERN. Stop giving into the hype.

Why should they prove anything against Bayern? The last time they faced in 09, it was 4-0 in the first half with scarface Ribery in tears having to be comforted by Henry. League and CL have nothing to do with each other. Evidnece by Dortmund humiliating Bayern for 2 years in a row. CL is about experience. By that logic Barcelona beat Madrid over the two legs in the league by GD so they are better seeing as Bayern needed penalties. Barcelona also beat MAdrid in the supercups over two legs and the spanish cup over two legs, all not needing penalties. While Bayern are getting their asses handed to them by Dortmund. Makes Madrids failures in the previous years look light weight in comparison as this Barcelona team is arguably the best of all time. So you keep making up excuses for Germans? And so Spain beat them twice and the 'tactical' error is what seperates the best from the rest, it is part of football. In that game, Germany did nothing (wc 2010) because SPain pinned them back and prevented them for countering. Klose even said after the game that when they got the ball their legs were gone bacsue they were chasing shadows all game long, but I suppose you know better than a aman that actually played the game.

And now Surag you say Bayern hasnt done anything to prove their the best side in the world. Im not "riding" Bayern at all. I just think theyre better than Barca and Real and they unfairly get no credit. Now what has Barca done? Get knccked out in the Semis of the CL? Bayern beat Real when it mattered, and Real beat Barca when it mattered. Do the math. Bayern also did better against Chelsea.
Bayern arent the best at anything. They came second best in every major competition ffs. They WON nothing. Trophies are the only objective barometer for success. Bayern won nothoing so they are nobodies. Again using your clown logic, so Dortmund humiliated Bayern, does that make them better than Real and Barcelona? You can't have it both ways. Your bias is astounding to the point of stupidity. So Bayern did 'better' against Chelsea and what do they have to show for it? 0 trophies and the Never-Munchen tag name. Get a grip. So they beatv MAdrid on penalties you rave about them. They did betetr against chelsea but lose and arse still the best. Get a grip. Second best in their country, second best in cl. Not the best overall. Doesnt make any sense. Barcelona won the copa, CWC, spanish and European supercups, Amdrid won La liga. What do they both have in commmon that Byern don't? You guessed, trophies!

Next thing you'll tell me that Juventus are better than Barcelona.

tuddor wrote:Juve can compete in the UCL easily because we use the same recovering methods as Barcelona (which is kinda scarry for me)

juventus101 wrote:I have no hatred for the Spanish teams. I dislike the media overhyping of them, thats all. Barca being called the best team in history when theyre reliant on Messi and are clearly not the best of all time in my opinion. Xavi being called the best CM of all time while hes been reliant on first Ronaldinho, and then Messi. Barca and REAL still being called the 2 best in the world when Bayern clearly showed they were better than Real. The Spanish national team being called the best of all time which is insulting to many teams of the past. For the record, i used to actually like Barca, until they became this overhype train. And ive almost always liked Real. Still do. But Bayern are the best team in the world right now in my opinoin. I dont hate the Spanish teams though. I dislike Barca and Spain, but i have respect for Real.

NavJuve wrote:Wow, never been in a place where so many people lack basic reading comprehension.

would it be fair to say Juve can really challenge the Big 3?

Doc wrote:Well that's absurd, FIFA manager mode on amateur is a cake walk. Also, how exactly would anyone of sound body and mind call Bayern the best team in the world? They didn't win their league nor the UCL and also lost in their domestic cup competition but yet are the best in the world according to Juventus101?!

Germany even lost to Italy in the semis so can't even use that one either...

juventus101 wrote:If Juventus get a top striker ala Suarez, Cavani, etc, would it be fair to say Juve can really challenge the Big 3? Or be considered the definite 4th best team in the world?

elmystique wrote:

NavJuve wrote:Wow, never been in a place where so many people lack basic reading comprehension.

would it be fair to say Juve can really challenge the Big 3?

well said, the amount of stupidity is beyond comprehension...... and its amazing how some of these same stupid posters are always on the loose in general section trying to expose others stupidity....

cyberman wrote:How many finals did barca get to? Liverpool got to 2.. Liverpool > barca? 4 titles in 5 years, 3cl finals in 4 yet were average, juve win 1 rundown league while waving europe goodbye and they're on verge with competing with the best. Fcuk the modern fan and their fair weather, change every season opinions. The most expensive squad in history couldn't get more points than average in... Ah forget it. ADD football fans r the worse..

I hope Juve get Barcelona next season. It would be a manita ffs.

Le Samourai wrote:I don't even get this....I'll admit I don't watch Bundi with any real consistency but I catch the big games and Kagawa over the last 2 seasons has been the most impressive player in those for me.

Is it some sort of understood fact that Goetze is better than him, because really...that just hasn't been the case from what I've seen.

sbaggio wrote:Lots of idiots here. Started watching football when their testicles descended 6 months ago.
Anyway, Juve can compete. We have one of the best defenses and midfields in Europe. A couple of good signings including a good striker and we can be top 5.