Kroos is the better player though, you simply have to look at the limited he had but still did damage. Low must drop Ozil in favor of Kroos and Drop Podolski in favor of Reus. That's the only way Germany can win trophies.


-----------------Neuer---------------
Lahm----Hummels-----Badstuber--Boateng
--------Schweini------Bender---------
Muller-----------Kroos----------Reus
-----------------Klose-------------------

Podolski already lost is place to Reus...

And i can not imagine that Löw will drop Özil..but i give a shit about the national team tbh... i hate those Bundesliga breaks

The Messiah wrote:Kroos is the better player though, you simply have to look at the limited he had but still did damage. Low must drop Ozil in favor of Kroos and Drop Podolski in favor of Reus. That's the only way Germany can win trophies.


-----------------Neuer---------------
Lahm----Hummels-----Badstuber--Boateng
--------Schweini------Bender---------
Muller-----------Kroos----------Reus
-----------------Klose-------------------

For the long term , what about Muller as the CF instead of Klose and ozil on the right wing .

Bénin wrote:

The Messiah wrote:Kroos is the better player though, you simply have to look at the limited he had but still did damage. Low must drop Ozil in favor of Kroos and Drop Podolski in favor of Reus. That's the only way Germany can win trophies.


-----------------Neuer---------------
Lahm----Hummels-----Badstuber--Boateng
--------Schweini------Bender---------
Muller-----------Kroos----------Reus
-----------------Klose-------------------

For the long term , what about Muller as the CF instead of Klose and ozil on the right wing .

Yes I agree with you, but maybe Reus should played as false 9 instead of Muller.

------Schweini------Bender-----------
---Muller------Kroos--------Schürrle--
---------------Reus-------------------


When Klose retires, Gomez doesn't suit this type of players, he needs players like Ribery or Robben to be effective.

What a shame we have so many good players in germany , we would need 2 national teams tbh... Holtby should get some playing time too...but he still plays for the u21

The Messiah wrote:

Bénin wrote:

The Messiah wrote:Kroos is the better player though, you simply have to look at the limited he had but still did damage. Low must drop Ozil in favor of Kroos and Drop Podolski in favor of Reus. That's the only way Germany can win trophies.


-----------------Neuer---------------
Lahm----Hummels-----Badstuber--Boateng
--------Schweini------Bender---------
Muller-----------Kroos----------Reus
-----------------Klose-------------------

For the long term , what about Muller as the CF instead of Klose and ozil on the right wing .

Yes I agree with you, but maybe Reus should played as false 9 instead of Muller.

------Schweini------Bender-----------
---Muller------Kroos--------Schürrle--
---------------Reus-------------------


When Klose retires, Gomez doesn't suit this type of players, he needs players like Ribery or Robben to be effective.

why don't you believe in Ozil ? With more players like Reus and Gotze he will feel less pressure to carry the team and therefore he is likely to play better.

BAYERN_MUNICH wrote:What a shame we have so many good players in germany , we would need 2 national teams tbh... Holtby should get some playing time too...but he still plays for the u21

Too many good young player in Schalke 04, I don't know how they do it.

Bénin wrote:

The Messiah wrote:

Bénin wrote:

The Messiah wrote:Kroos is the better player though, you simply have to look at the limited he had but still did damage. Low must drop Ozil in favor of Kroos and Drop Podolski in favor of Reus. That's the only way Germany can win trophies.


-----------------Neuer---------------
Lahm----Hummels-----Badstuber--Boateng
--------Schweini------Bender---------
Muller-----------Kroos----------Reus
-----------------Klose-------------------

For the long term , what about Muller as the CF instead of Klose and ozil on the right wing .

Yes I agree with you, but maybe Reus should played as false 9 instead of Muller.

------Schweini------Bender-----------
---Muller------Kroos--------Schürrle--
---------------Reus-------------------


When Klose retires, Gomez doesn't suit this type of players, he needs players like Ribery or Robben to be effective.

why don't you believe in Ozil ? With more players like Reus and Gotze he will feel less pressure to carry the team and therefore he is likely to play better.

Whenever I think of Ozil, I think of the kid back in the days of Bremen before Madrid fans blew him over the top and Loew fell for it.

Can Schweinteiger---Kroos work without a DM?

Yohan Modric wrote:Can Schweinteiger---Kroos work without a DM?

No it won't work. it's either Khedira, Bender's, Gündoğan or Rolfes. Personally I prefer Lars Bender or Rolfes.

Yohan Modric wrote:Can Schweinteiger---Kroos work without a DM?

No. Already tried last season. It can overwhelm smaller sides, but big teams will rip that midfield apart in counters. There was always a defensive minded guy, be it in Bayern or Germany.

Kroos

Babun was right when he said Kroos would be miles better than Ramsey.

Sushi Master wrote:

Yohan Modric wrote:Can Schweinteiger---Kroos work without a DM?

No. Already tried last season. It can overwhelm smaller sides, but big teams will rip that midfield apart in counters. There was always a defensive minded guy, be it in Bayern or Germany.

Kroos

Babun was right when he said Kroos would be miles better than Ramsey.

Are you kidding me, it was I who said Kroos was already miles better than Ramsey and will Suppress Iniesta and Xavi with time.


Ramsey.....Really...? Kroos is better than Fabregas

The Messiah wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:

Yohan Modric wrote:Can Schweinteiger---Kroos work without a DM?

No. Already tried last season. It can overwhelm smaller sides, but big teams will rip that midfield apart in counters. There was always a defensive minded guy, be it in Bayern or Germany.

Kroos

Babun was right when he said Kroos would be miles better than Ramsey.

Are you kidding me, it was I who said Kroos was already miles better than Ramsey and will Suppress Iniesta and Xavi with time.


Ramsey.....Really...? Kroos is better than Fabregas

At that stage Kroos was still very raw at Bayern. Wasn't sure of how he'd cope until last season.

Reaching Xavi or Iniesta level... he definitely has the potential. We just have to wait and see.

lol Ramsey is a good player player at best while kroos seems to have a strong mentality, a must to be great

Bénin wrote:lol Ramsey is a good player player at best while kroos seems to have a strong mentality, a must to be great

I like this guy, he has so much Knowledge in football, unlike the other set of fans, at the otherside of the Forum.

Lampard's heir.

Gundogan-Piggy is worse than Piggy-Kroos. Ikay is a CAM turned CM not DM.

Anyways IMO Germany should go for -

Bender-Piggy
Goetze Kroos Ozil
Reus

Germany dont have good wingers. Muller at RW or whatever its not that good. But then you have great CAM's Goetze's & Kroos in the bench. Both Kroos and Goetze are way better than Muller. Play them. DUMP THE WINGS. Play 3 CAM's. Use Lahm & Schmelzer for width.

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:Gundogan-Piggy is worse than Piggy-Kroos. Ikay is a CAM turned CM not DM.

Anyways IMO Germany should go for -

Bender-Piggy
Goetze Kroos Ozil
Reus

Germany dont have good wingers. Muller at RW or whatever its not that good. But then you have great CAM's Goetze's & Kroos in the bench. Both Kroos and Goetze are way better than Muller. Play them. DUMP THE WINGS. Play 3 CAM's. Use Lahm & Schmelzer for width.

Problem with that formation is the lack of scorers. Reus is the only one with a scoring touch, while the others are occasional scorers. No matter the formation, you need at least two of those.

Bender-Kroos
Ozil-Gotze-Reus
Muller

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:Gundogan-Piggy is worse than Piggy-Kroos. Ikay is a CAM turned CM not DM.

Anyways IMO Germany should go for -

Bender-Piggy
Goetze Kroos Ozil
Reus

Germany dont have good wingers. Muller at RW or whatever its not that good. But then you have great CAM's Goetze's & Kroos in the bench. Both Kroos and Goetze are way better than Muller. Play them. DUMP THE WINGS. Play 3 CAM's. Use Lahm & Schmelzer for width.

Problem with that formation is the lack of scorers. Reus is the only one with a scoring touch, while the others are occasional scorers. No matter the formation, you need at least two of those.

Bender-Kroos
Ozil-Gotze-Reus
Muller

Kroos this season has been scoring LEFT RIGHT AND CENTRE. Goetze scores goals and good one's. How does Muller qualify as a Good Goal-scorer??

HE went 1000 Minutes without a goal last season.


Germany should play to their strengths. Maybe a 3-4-2-1.


Neuer
Boateng Hummels Badstuber
Lahm Piggy Kroos Schmelzer
Goetze Ozil
Reus

Lahm & Schmelzer as RWB & LWB providing width. 3 CB's to cover for Pigg-Kroos Defensively.

Maybe Reus as Single ST is a problem. But Piggy is untouchable. He is playing great again. If someone has to be dropped it has between Ozil & Muller. In the future Goetze is going to go well past them as will Kroos & Reus & these will become untouchable players like Piggy is NOW.

BAYERN_MUNICH wrote:What a shame we have so many good players in germany , we would need 2 national teams tbh... Holtby should get some playing time too...but he still plays for the u21

its not like your current national squad is full of foreigners
what a shame really

No Oezil please, Muller or Schurrle instead of Oezil. Muller is a much goal threat than OZil, even Schurrle, in LA liga it is easy to create goals, unlike when you come up against strong international side like Itally for example.

Ninis wrote:

BAYERN_MUNICH wrote:What a shame we have so many good players in germany , we would need 2 national teams tbh... Holtby should get some playing time too...but he still plays for the u21

its not like your current national squad is full of foreigners
what a shame really

its not like you current squad is full of nonames, losers and germain paid managers xD xD

Ninis wrote:

BAYERN_MUNICH wrote:What a shame we have so many good players in germany , we would need 2 national teams tbh... Holtby should get some playing time too...but he still plays for the u21

its not like your current national squad is full of foreigners
what a shame really

yea, i bet holtby's german mother is really ashamed

Holtby- Wilshere Make it Happen.

Also Neustadter has said that he will accept his Ukraine call up so once they provide him with a passport he's good to go.

Hopefully Turkey calls up everyone and some accept

Ozil is light years ahead of Muller when it comes to talent. Allright Muller is hard-working & what not & all that is good but ultimately you have to bow down to Talent.

The fact is Thomas Muller has little talent & a lot of heart & passion. That can only get you till a distance till Talent takes over.

I am mean Spain are going to play Carzola,Silva,Iniesta and what are Germany gonna throw against that?? Thomas Muller??

If you have to have any chance of beating Spain you have to let Kroos,Goetze,Reus take over

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:Ozil is light years ahead of Muller when it comes to talent. Allright Muller is hard-working & what not & all that is good but ultimately you have to bow down to Talent.

The fact is Thomas Muller has little talent & a lot of heart & passion. That can only get you till a distance till Talent takes over.

Muller has easily the most intelligent movement of any player in German football.

Van Gaal was the only coach to ever use him properly.

Anyway...you can say what you want about talent...there are many people who had talent but just couldn't cut it and there are many that lacked special talent that went on to become legends.

But Tomas Muller does not even fall in the latter category.

He has special talent.

But he is not a winger.