Re: Hoeness launches attack on the plastic clubs

by The Messiah Fri May 18, 2012 4:20 am

Barrettinator wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
The Messiah wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
Lord Hispano wrote:I think we need more "plastic" clubs now.
La Liga needs like 17 more.

La Liga needs it more than any other league.

One of the bad things that can be attributed with plastic clubs, is that they ruin other hard-working club, look at Villarreal and Malaga
Well... Villarreal were shit, no excuse there.

Málaga are a sugar daddy club but don't get much shit for it because they didn't spend that much, got a lot of average players and trust in their youth (Rondón, Camacho, Isco).

Just shows that you can have reasonable billionaire backed clubs.
What makes it "reasonable"? The fact that their Billionaire probably doesn't want to spend as much as a Roman Abramovich would?

Sushi trying to mess everything up with this attitude of reasonable billionaire, spender, forgetting that's how they all start.

They get decent players, to attract good players, then from good players to quality ones.

It's their strategy and it will always remain like that

by Sushi Master Fri May 18, 2012 4:22 am

Barrettinator wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
The Messiah wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
Lord Hispano wrote:I think we need more "plastic" clubs now.
La Liga needs like 17 more.

La Liga needs it more than any other league.

One of the bad things that can be attributed with plastic clubs, is that they ruin other hard-working club, look at Villarreal and Malaga
Well... Villarreal were shit, no excuse there.

Málaga are a sugar daddy club but don't get much shit for it because they didn't spend that much, got a lot of average players and trust in their youth (Rondón, Camacho, Isco).

Just shows that you can have reasonable billionaire backed clubs.
What makes it "reasonable"? The fact that their Billionaire probably doesn't want to spend as much as a Roman Abramovich would?

The frack. Sugar daddy clubs have to spend like Abramovich or you're not invited to the fancy parties?

I'm not sure what people are bitching about in this thread, then. Clubs will be bought, end of story. Welcome to the 21st century where football is a business. I'd thought that in being more conservative with money they'd be seen better, but I guess not.

by Lord Awesome Fri May 18, 2012 4:23 am

Sushi Master wrote:Come on, 30 point gaps between 2nd and 3rd? No way are Valencia/Bilbao/Málaga that bad.

I think that's how far behind we are from those two. Name 5 WC players from Malaga or Valencia.

Plus. I think, RM let it go this time and Chelsea had some luck with Barca.

Not that I'm complaining. Laughing

by The Messiah Fri May 18, 2012 4:24 am

Sushi Master wrote:
The Messiah wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
The Messiah wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
Lord Hispano wrote:I think we need more "plastic" clubs now.
La Liga needs like 17 more.

La Liga needs it more than any other league.

One of the bad things that can be attributed with plastic clubs, is that they ruin other hard-working club, look at Villarreal and Malaga
Well... Villarreal were shit, no excuse there.

Málaga are a sugar daddy club but don't get much shit for it because they didn't spend that much, got a lot of average players and trust in their youth (Rondón, Camacho, Isco).

Just shows that you can have reasonable billionaries backed clubs.

Santi Cazorla
Yeah, 21m but that's a reasonable price because he's an awesome player.

But the rest? Toulalan 11m, Monreal 6m, Mathisjen 2m... and before that it was a slew of guys not 1 more expensive than 4m.

Very reasonable buyers for being billinaries.

But that's how they all start, Anyways I don't know if you deliberately ignored my point, because Malaga buying reasonably wasn't my point.

My point was that, if Malaga didn't have a billionaire owner, they wouldn't have the means to buy Carzola, which led to a small hard-working club Villarreal getting relegated

by Sushi Master Fri May 18, 2012 4:24 am

The Messiah wrote:
Barrettinator wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
The Messiah wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
Lord Hispano wrote:I think we need more "plastic" clubs now.
La Liga needs like 17 more.

La Liga needs it more than any other league.

One of the bad things that can be attributed with plastic clubs, is that they ruin other hard-working club, look at Villarreal and Malaga
Well... Villarreal were shit, no excuse there.

Málaga are a sugar daddy club but don't get much shit for it because they didn't spend that much, got a lot of average players and trust in their youth (Rondón, Camacho, Isco).

Just shows that you can have reasonable billionaire backed clubs.
What makes it "reasonable"? The fact that their Billionaire probably doesn't want to spend as much as a Roman Abramovich would?

Sushi trying to mess everything up with this attitude of reasonable billionaire, spender, forgetting that's how they all start.

They get decent players, to attract good players, then from good players to quality ones.

It's their strategy and it will always remain like that

I for one want to desperately see Málaga at City level so that Liga ain't a 2 horse race, but that's me.

It's too late to bitch about rich dudes buying clubs. It's already happening.

by Lord Awesome Fri May 18, 2012 4:25 am

Sushi Master wrote:I for one want to desperately see Málaga at City level so that Liga ain't a 2 horse race, but that's me.

It's too late to bitch about rich dudes buying clubs. It's already happening.

So true.

by Sushi Master Fri May 18, 2012 4:25 am

The Messiah wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
The Messiah wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
The Messiah wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
Lord Hispano wrote:I think we need more "plastic" clubs now.
La Liga needs like 17 more.

La Liga needs it more than any other league.

One of the bad things that can be attributed with plastic clubs, is that they ruin other hard-working club, look at Villarreal and Malaga
Well... Villarreal were shit, no excuse there.

Málaga are a sugar daddy club but don't get much shit for it because they didn't spend that much, got a lot of average players and trust in their youth (Rondón, Camacho, Isco).

Just shows that you can have reasonable billionaries backed clubs.

Santi Cazorla
Yeah, 21m but that's a reasonable price because he's an awesome player.

But the rest? Toulalan 11m, Monreal 6m, Mathisjen 2m... and before that it was a slew of guys not 1 more expensive than 4m.

Very reasonable buyers for being billinaries.

But that's how they all start, Anyways I don't know if you deliberately ignored my point, because Malaga buying reasonably wasn't my point.

My point was that, if Malaga didn't have a billionaire owner, they wouldn't have the means to buy Carzola, which led to a small hard-working club Villarreal getting relegated

Villarreal were relegated for being shit, not for being poor. The hell, man? Rayo, Zaragoza and Granada stayed up. Villarreal are no small club.

That's like Bremen being relegated, or something. The only way it's happening is due to their own shittyness.

by Blue Barrett Fri May 18, 2012 4:27 am

Sushi Master wrote:
Barrettinator wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
The Messiah wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
Lord Hispano wrote:I think we need more "plastic" clubs now.
La Liga needs like 17 more.

La Liga needs it more than any other league.

One of the bad things that can be attributed with plastic clubs, is that they ruin other hard-working club, look at Villarreal and Malaga
Well... Villarreal were shit, no excuse there.

Málaga are a sugar daddy club but don't get much shit for it because they didn't spend that much, got a lot of average players and trust in their youth (Rondón, Camacho, Isco).

Just shows that you can have reasonable billionaire backed clubs.
What makes it "reasonable"? The fact that their Billionaire probably doesn't want to spend as much as a Roman Abramovich would?
The frack. Sugar daddy clubs have to spend like Abramovich or you're not invited to the fancy parties?

I'm not sure what people are bitching about in this thread, then. Clubs will be bought, end of story. Welcome to the 21st century where football is a business. I'd thought that in being more conservative with money they'd be seen better, but I guess not.

Blimey!

Meaning, who are you to judge if the owner is being "reasonable" or not(whatever that means to you) when they're actually making moves to better the club?

by Lord Awesome Fri May 18, 2012 4:29 am

Deportivo and Zaragoza aren't suppose to be small, tbh.

If we had a La Liga with Valencia, Sevilla, Villareal, Deportivo, Real Betis, Zaragoza, Espanyol, Atletico, and Bilbao all in their peaks.

I can only dream.

by The Messiah Fri May 18, 2012 4:31 am

If Malaga didn't buy their best player, then they will still be playing La Liga

Even if the whole universe starts embracing the ideal of spending big, you will always have Messiah's like me criticising and wanting the best.

I don't hate billionaire owners or clubs owned by billionaire's, the truth is that my only problem is spending unreasonably like Real-Madrid

I like City because they are far better than, Real Madrid, Chelsea, Liverpool and all those big time spenders in transfer market.

Man-City also have some home-grown players, they kept Hart, Richard, Gudetti is on loan, they signed Razak.

I just hope they keep buying players like Kompany, Lescot etc and making stars out of them.

Unlike Fabio Coentrao.

by Sushi Master Fri May 18, 2012 4:31 am

Barrettinator wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
Barrettinator wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
The Messiah wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
Lord Hispano wrote:I think we need more "plastic" clubs now.
La Liga needs like 17 more.

La Liga needs it more than any other league.

One of the bad things that can be attributed with plastic clubs, is that they ruin other hard-working club, look at Villarreal and Malaga
Well... Villarreal were shit, no excuse there.

Málaga are a sugar daddy club but don't get much shit for it because they didn't spend that much, got a lot of average players and trust in their youth (Rondón, Camacho, Isco).

Just shows that you can have reasonable billionaire backed clubs.
What makes it "reasonable"? The fact that their Billionaire probably doesn't want to spend as much as a Roman Abramovich would?
The frack. Sugar daddy clubs have to spend like Abramovich or you're not invited to the fancy parties?

I'm not sure what people are bitching about in this thread, then. Clubs will be bought, end of story. Welcome to the 21st century where football is a business. I'd thought that in being more conservative with money they'd be seen better, but I guess not.
Blimey!

Meaning, who are you to judge if the owner is being "reasonable" or not(whatever that means to you) when they're actually making moves to better the club?

I just find it funny that everyone bitches about City, when Málaga are doing the same shit and got to CL spots, yet no one cares. So people not caring is what I call "reasonable", because they're not throwing out insane money and actually bought a hell load of mediocre guys.

In the future, every club will be owned by a billionarie guy, the top dogs trillionaries, the CL final will be on the Moon and Blatter will be 450 years old and still kicking. The future.

Forget about goal line technology, though, kills the spirit.

by animal.crackers Fri May 18, 2012 4:31 am

Let's face it. It is extremely hard for a good club to become an elite club without spending large sums of money.

FFP is worthless. It is only there to maintain the status quo of the Milans and Barcelonas of this world.

by Gomez83 Fri May 18, 2012 4:31 am

Wish more billionaires invested in a much better youth system that would last longer than a player.

by Sushi Master Fri May 18, 2012 4:32 am

Gomez83 wrote:Wish more billionaires invested in a much better youth system that would last longer than a player.

Bundesliga but on global scale?

Let me exchange my pants.

by The Messiah Fri May 18, 2012 4:35 am

animal.crackers wrote:Let's face it. It is extremely hard for a good club to become an elite club without spending large sums of money.

FFP is worthless. It is only there to maintain the status quo of the Milans and Barcelonas of this world.

Funny how city didn't buy any flop, none of their players name comes out as candidate for flops, unlike Sahin and Coentrao, Torres, Carrol etc.

I give City credit for that.

You see that's what you call part of buying reasonably

by izzy Fri May 18, 2012 4:37 am

The Messiah wrote:If Malaga didn't buy their best player, then they will still be playing La Liga

Even if the whole universe starts embracing the ideal of spending big, you will always have Messiah's like me criticising and wanting the best.

I don't hate billionaire owners or clubs owned by billionaire's, the truth is that my only problem is spending unreasonably like Real-Madrid

I like City because they are far better than, Real Madrid, Chelsea, Liverpool and all those big time spenders in transfer market.

Man-City also have some home-grown players, they kept Hart, Richard, Gudetti is on loan, they signed Razak.

I just hope they keep buying players like Kompany, Lescot etc and making stars out of them.

Unlike Fabio Coentrao.

FOS.

This is so stupid it's unreal. You contradicted yourself so many times it's unreal. Villarreal got relegated because they sold Cazorla?

Please, just stop.

by Lord Awesome Fri May 18, 2012 4:38 am

I think Villareal's problem was more managerial than Cazorla sold and Rossi absent.

by izzy Fri May 18, 2012 4:38 am

The Messiah wrote:
animal.crackers wrote:Let's face it. It is extremely hard for a good club to become an elite club without spending large sums of money.

FFP is worthless. It is only there to maintain the status quo of the Milans and Barcelonas of this world.

Funny how city didn't buy any flop, none of their players name comes out as candidate for flops, unlike Sahin and Coentrao, Torres, Carrol etc.

I give City credit for that.

You see that's what you call part of buying reasonably

Santa Cruz
Wright-Phillips
Jo
Benjani
Bellamy
To name a few.

by animal.crackers Fri May 18, 2012 4:41 am

Gomez83 wrote:Wish more billionaires invested in a much better youth system that would last longer than a player.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/09/20/sport/football/football-man-city-academy/index.html

That is the next step in the owner's plan for City. They are redeveloping an impoverished part of Manchester to build the best La Masia like youth academy/facilities in the world.

They believe that developing world class youth will (and should) be the way to maintain the club's success.

by animal.crackers Fri May 18, 2012 4:42 am

izzy wrote:Santa Cruz - kept getting injured
Wright-Phillips - He came from our academy FFS, and played many games but Mancini wanted better.
Jo - Flop, yeah.
Benjani
Bellamy - Fell out with Mancini. Wasn't a flop.
To name a few.

by Lord Awesome Fri May 18, 2012 4:42 am

You'll need good mentors as well not just facilities alone.

by animal.crackers Fri May 18, 2012 4:43 am

Lord Hispano wrote:You'll need good mentors as well not just facilities alone.

Of course. Smile

by The Messiah Fri May 18, 2012 4:48 am

Lord Hispano wrote:I think Villareal's problem was more managerial than Cazorla sold and Rossi absent.

Do you admit if Carzorla was still playing for them, they wouldn't have been relegated.

by izzy Fri May 18, 2012 4:49 am

The Messiah wrote:
Lord Hispano wrote:I think Villareal's problem was more managerial than Cazorla sold and Rossi absent.

Do you admit if Carzorla was still playing for them, they wouldn't have been relegated.

They would have been with Cazorla there or not.

by Lord Awesome Fri May 18, 2012 4:51 am

The Messiah wrote:Do you admit if Carzorla was still playing for them, they wouldn't have been relegated.

Not with their manager going haywire to the point of being sacked and replaced.

That's like asking if I admit Depor wouldn't have gotten relegated if Guardado were still at Depor.

by Gomez83 Fri May 18, 2012 4:51 am

What I meant was that, people are getting the impression that you must buy the best players to be the best I want a club to set an example that youth would overpower buying players.

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