Re: RvP Contract Talks

by Jay29 Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:53 pm

He said they never discussed a contract or financial terms. So not signing a contract is a current situation, he should reconsider it when they have future meetings.

He also said they weren't his priority.

"As announced earlier this year I had a meeting with the Boss and Mr. Gazidis after the season. This was a meeting about the club’s future strategy and their policy. Financial terms or a contract have not been discussed, since that is not my priority at all."

And combined with this part:

"Out of my huge respect for Mr. Wenger, the players and the fans I don’t want to go into any details, but unfortunately in this meeting it has again become clear to me that we in many aspects disagree on the way Arsenal FC should move forward."

I very much doubt he'll be reconsidering his position. It makes you wonder what his "priority" is. If it's not to discuss a new contract with the aim of leading the club to the trophies he obviously wants, then it must be to secure a move away.

For all purposes, imo, this seems like a "rooney". Now it remains to be seen if our board responds the same way or just sells him for raising questions about their policies. If a board can not justify its policies to the fans and the captain, then you know something is massively wrong.

They won't sell him just for raising questions about their policies. They'll sell him because it's better than the alternative of letting him walk out on a free.

I can't see how he's doing a "Rooney". He said they hadn't discussed financial terms, so for all he knew the club would have offered him a lot of money. A PR stunt like this would make sense if our "terms" weren't good enough for him, but those terms apparently haven't been discussed. He says he doesn't agree with the direction the club is headed, but also said he doesn't want to sign a new deal... I just can't see how that's an attempt to force the club to offer him a lucrative deal.

by REWB Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:59 pm

aleumdance wrote:guys looks at this

http://www.tottenhamhotspurs.tv/forum/away-team-dugout/28892-rvp-leave-scum.html

the scums think they would do better cuz of one player leaving LOOOOOOOOOOL

just like nasri and cesc leaving right? lool. and this time we are much better prepared. as i have been saying for a long time, we are going to be much more stronger next season with or without rvp.

by aleumdance Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:00 pm

RvP Contract Talks - Page 9 Aw-5DUbCIAEqMyG

THIS IMAGE.

is why we need to give Coquelin, Frimmy, and Lansbury a Chance

by Jay29 Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:09 pm

Tony Adams is an outstanding exception. He not only loved Arsenal, but he had a very personal reason to stay there since they stuck with him during his alcoholism.

Fact is, being a home-grown player does not mean they'll be more likely to sign any contract we put in front of them, especially in today's world, where football is overrun with money and agents looking for the best deal. Just look at the number of young, foreign kids who have left their first clubs whenever Arsenal have come calling.

Also, young players should not be given opportunities just because they're loyal. If you go by that policy someone like Gavin Hoyte should be playing every week.

by Arsenalfaithfull Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:23 pm

Its fair to say that with RVP gone, the post invincible generation (aka premature ejaculation generation) is finally over. End of chapter, lets move on. If Mr. Wenger has learned anything from the past5 years, he will know that he needs to mix the older players with the young ones. Bar Fabregas, our current crop of youngsters are more talented than t he previous lot. Lets hope we can find cool heads, and leaders to ease these players into our squad, rather than putting the entire weights on the likes of OX Frimpong, Walcott (hope we dont lose him), Coquilin etc etc.
I think we are heading in the right direction despite this huge blow (more signings like Artetas and Girouds, and Poldis, Sagna, and we are good to go).

I am a bigger fan of RVP than I am of Fab, but if we walked out of the Fabregas saga with little to no beating, we will fare better this time around.

by RealGunner Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:23 pm

wonder when will we have our next testimonial match.

by Arsenalfaithfull Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:25 pm

Almunia :DD

by Sushi Master Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:07 am

Ugh. Frack. Sell him and buy Doumbia or something.

One of the shittiest boards in history. I'm not even buying the stadium excuses anymore: look at how Dortmund are doing with even less resources...

I feel sacking Wenger and starting off from 0 would be more productive. Dunno who's at blame: the board, Wenger, or both, but I'm extremely annoyed.

Who's going to be captain now, Wilshere?

by Arsenalfaithfull Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:12 am

Wilshere should not be anywhere near the armband. He is not captain material yet. He will work his ass off... but should the team hit some sort of off form, the media will eat him alive, and him being the Gooner that he is... it will surely affect him on the pitch a lot more than the other guys.

by Sushi Master Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:17 am

He's the only one with a big enough pair to wear it, but yeah, it was mostly sarcasm: he's far from ready. I'd probably make Arteta captain.

Oh well: Godolski to CF :bow:

by Sri Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:25 am

Vermaelen to get the armband this summer and leave next summer. :coffee:

No seriously, I am going to wait till the dust settles, one way or the other.

by Amar Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:33 am

Love your optimism and composure sri, but I'm really concerned with this. This is extremely damning to our club in the eyes of other players who might be interested in coming here.

I personally am hoping this is somehow a ploy to get a lucrative deal, but like Jay pointed out, I just don't see this as a PR stunt. The fact that he brought up the fact that he hasn't even discussed a potential contract supports this. I'm sure we'll be seeing that quote again very soon if he signs for City so he can fall back on the fact that he's not joining them for money, but for trophies.

It does make you wonder what Gazidis or Wenger could have said to make him do this, because he surely would have already known we won't be looking to strike deals where we spend £30-35million on one player.

by Sushi Master Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:33 am

srigooner wrote:Vermaelen to get the armband this summer and leave next summer.

No seriously, I am going to wait till the dust settles, one way or the other.

If that's the case, Diaby for captain :bow:

by Mudcat Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:37 am

OLpower wrote:
AnJl wrote:

Giroud, I cant say much, you will have a better view of what quality he really has...

But calling Poldi a B+ player is a little uncalled for. Basing it on the Euros? Come on.

Basing on his time at Bayern? Well, with the way he was in and out of the squad, I think he did rather well.

Podolski and Giroud are both very good players, but they are currently ranked B+.

Podolski was a good Koln player, but did not achieve anything else so far. Giroud has made a great season in France. Can he continue to improve? While Van Persie is a proved outstanding player in PL.

This is a different class of players. There is a reason why the difference of pricetag and interest by other clubs between them is that big.

Podolski has 44 international goals for Germany since his international debut in 2004. Van Persie has 29 for The Netherlands since his 2005 debut. Between the two, Podolski has been the bigger player on the world stage through the years. And while Podolski didn't play for a club team that won anything (of course, neither did Van Persie for that matter) he has been an excellent player for Koln. Few players have the ability to score 19 goals for a team bad enough to be relegated. Van Persie, until midway through the 2010-11 club season, had been the guy who could not live up to his promise because he couldn't stay healthy. I'm not saying that Podolski is a better player at this point than Van Persie, but he has been among the elite much longer and he's two years younger. He's also a player who contributes in all areas of the game. To dismiss him as a Grade B player isn't being fair to him.

And while I've only seen Giroud play a handful of times, one thing that's certain is that he -- more than any other player on the Montpelier team -- was responsible for his team winning the Ligue 1 championship over moneybags PSG, Lyon and the rest.

And if you're going to rate players based on pricetag, then that Andy Carroll sure is something! Too bad for Newcastle they could only get sucky players like Cisse and Ba to score goals for them with about half what they got in return for Carroll.

by Mudcat Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:44 am

Amar wrote:Love your optimism and composure sri, but I'm really concerned with this. This is extremely damning to our club in the eyes of other players who might be interested in coming here.

I believe you're over-thinking this. Losing Cristiano Ronaldo and Carlos Tevez didn't throw up a force field around Old Trafford to keep players out. Look at all the great players Milan has brought in since selling Kaka. And losing Fabregas at the end of last summer didn't stop Podolski and Giroud from wanting to come to Arsenal this summer (even in the midst of rampant speculation that Van Persie might be leaving). If the only reason a player wants to play for Arsenal is so they can play with Robin Van Persie, then I don't want him at Arsenal anyway. Players come and go, but there will always be outstanding players who want to play for Arsenal.

by Sri Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:00 am

Amar wrote:Love your optimism and composure sri, but I'm really concerned with this. This is extremely damning to our club in the eyes of other players who might be interested in coming here.

I personally am hoping this is somehow a ploy to get a lucrative deal, but like Jay pointed out, I just don't see this as a PR stunt. The fact that he brought up the fact that he hasn't even discussed a potential contract supports this. I'm sure we'll be seeing that quote again very soon if he signs for City so he can fall back on the fact that he's not joining them for money, but for trophies.

It does make you wonder what Gazidis or Wenger could have said to make him do this, because he surely would have already known we won't be looking to strike deals where we spend £30-35million on one player.

It is unfortunately more than what meets the eye and I have held this view right from the beginning. (Check the thread description when I started the RvP contract thread). He still refers to AW as the Boss. I have a feeling the problem is aligning his view with that of the club. However, all said and done, there is no way we should look to cash in on him. For all smooth talking, we should play hardball when it matters. It reflects horribly that we can't keep hold of our best players, and captains. We try so hard to stress on not being a selling club, and the minute this situation arises, people forget all that and say they would take 20-25million offers. Who are we kidding.

Sushi Master wrote:
srigooner wrote:Vermaelen to get the armband this summer and leave next summer.

No seriously, I am going to wait till the dust settles, one way or the other.
If that's the case, Diaby for captain

Lol! Wheelchair!

Mudcat wrote:
Amar wrote:Love your optimism and composure sri, but I'm really concerned with this. This is extremely damning to our club in the eyes of other players who might be interested in coming here.

I believe you're over-thinking this. Losing Cristiano Ronaldo and Carlos Tevez didn't throw up a force field around Old Trafford to keep players out. Look at all the great players Milan has brought in since selling Kaka. And losing Fabregas at the end of last summer didn't stop Podolski and Giroud from wanting to come to Arsenal this summer (even in the midst of rampant speculation that Van Persie might be leaving). If the only reason a player wants to play for Arsenal is so they can play with Robin Van Persie, then I don't want him at Arsenal anyway. Players come and go, but there will always be outstanding players who want to play for Arsenal.

The worrying trend is, there are always outstanding players who want to leave Arsenal.

by Jay29 Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:25 am

Unfortunately, whether we sell him or let him go for free, the end result is the same: we'll be seen as a club who can no longer keep hold of its best players. We may as well make the best out of a bad situation and get a few million pounds for our troubles.

What's more, van Persie's words could have negative effects on the squad and keeping him around for longer may just make things worse. Not to mention the reception he'll get from fans. Remember when Adebayor started flirting with other clubs? Fans turned on him very quickly and his form dropped considerably.

I just don't see anything to gain from keeping him until his contract runs out.

by RealGunner Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:30 am

Agreed^

right now, i just wish the club can sell him asap so we can get over it and the players as well.

by Raptorgunner Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:01 am

I agree, I dont want him to be around the club anymore, if Arsenal has any ambition will go and buy Falcao.

I was shocked by the news but it was not a big deal and I forgot aboyt already.

by RealGunner Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:06 am

can't afford falcao and he wont move just after a season.

by Raptorgunner Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:14 am

RealGunner wrote:can't afford falcao and he wont move just after a season.

Sell VP and Bendter that's enough money, we have to take this mentality out of our head that we cant afford players, is not like we do this every season at least once we should splash some cash on a great player.

by Sri Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:22 am

More important than signing another striker, we need to resolve Theo's contract.

What about Song? Wasn't his contract due as well? Last thing we need is three players who had good season being sold in the same window. Remember the start to the season when we did that last summer? It affects not just in terms of quality, but also in terms of squad chemistry.

And I am sorry, I can't buy into the sell RvP sentiment just yet - call me an optimist but I want to stick to this line till the dust settles. RvP is loved and respected in the squad, they see him as their captain. And if there is truth in his statement not being driven by financial motives, then as a captain, he is doing a job of highlighting how he and his squad mates feel about the club's direction.

Ofcourse, all my arguments till now will fail and I will be massively deceived if the motive is indeed the moolah. I am beaten and bruised in my belief right now, but I refuse to give up before the summer is over. I find myself at a difficult juncture with my faith in the club and the board right now, merely because I believe RvP to be a much better man than the likes of Ashley, Adebayor, Nasri and Cesc. If this belief demands a trial by fire, then so be it. Come at me.

by Twoism Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:23 am

GoonerJay29 wrote:Unfortunately, whether we sell him or let him go for free, the end result is the same: we'll be seen as a club who can no longer keep hold of its best players. We may as well make the best out of a bad situation and get a few million pounds for our troubles.

What's more, van Persie's words could have negative effects on the squad and keeping him around for longer may just make things worse. Not to mention the reception he'll get from fans. Remember when Adebayor started flirting with other clubs? Fans turned on him very quickly and his form dropped considerably.

I just don't see anything to gain from keeping him until his contract runs out.

This

We know Cesc could be professional even if he wants to leave. Can't guarantee that with RVP.

by Mudcat Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:31 am

srigooner wrote:
The worrying trend is, there are always outstanding players who want to leave Arsenal.

But, as I pointed out, outstanding players leave all clubs. Nobody is irreplaceable.

by Sri Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:32 am

Twoism wrote:
GoonerJay29 wrote:Unfortunately, whether we sell him or let him go for free, the end result is the same: we'll be seen as a club who can no longer keep hold of its best players. We may as well make the best out of a bad situation and get a few million pounds for our troubles.

What's more, van Persie's words could have negative effects on the squad and keeping him around for longer may just make things worse. Not to mention the reception he'll get from fans. Remember when Adebayor started flirting with other clubs? Fans turned on him very quickly and his form dropped considerably.

I just don't see anything to gain from keeping him until his contract runs out.

This

We know Cesc could be professional even if he wants to leave. Can't guarantee that with RVP.

Refusing to participate in pre-season despite being the captain, citing an inexistent injury, is deception and not professionalism. The injury was not to his tongue anyway.

I respect RvP for having the balls to make this statement. If it is indeed been drafted by his lawyers and agents as some sources claim, then he is well aware of the ramifications of making that statement. I prefer knowing what will happen one way or the other, with a decisive official statement from the person in question.

That is more professional than sulking in the confines of London Colney and staying silent while the person's future club engages in a media propaganda to drag the club's name through dirt. 'Being kidnapped', 'being held cative against his wishes' - I expected a statement damning these comments but none had been forthcoming last summer. I can not forget these things this summer just because the target has changed and absolve Fabregas of everything he did.

Don't take this personally mate, but this is just my opinion. I know lots of people are painting Fabregas as an angel. I just don't want to take the effort to dig out the hundreds of posts from last summer calling for him to make a statement.

by Sri Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:37 am

Mudcat wrote:
srigooner wrote:
The worrying trend is, there are always outstanding players who want to leave Arsenal.

But, as I pointed out, outstanding players leave all clubs. Nobody is irreplaceable.

How many outstanding players have left Manchester United, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern Munich in the same period in which we have seen crucial members of the squad leaving? Start with the time Viera left and count.. I don't want to do it because I am afraid of finding statistical proof confirming my view. Sad

The reason I cite these clubs is because they are among the elite we wish to compare ourselves with.

Ofcourse, nobody is irreplaceable. But just for once, wouldn't you prefer having a stable squad right from the start? Instead of having to rebuild from scratch in every other transfer window? Don't you share my opinion that this instability is also a major contributor in our trophy drought?

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