Messi has 46 in La Liga,14 in CL,2 in Copa Del Rey ,3 In Super copa and 1 In Uefa cup and 2 in Club WC plus 5 in Internationals so that's 73 goals.Ronaldo has 58 In Real Madrid and six with Portugal.
Can't see how you got those other numbers.

go to soccernet.com and you'll see the actual seasonal numbers.

On soccernet his 2011/2012 statistics show 70 goals.His other 3 goals for Argentina are put in the 2012/2013 statistics.

vivabarca38 wrote:On soccernet his 2011/2012 statistics show 70 goals.His other 3 goals for Argentina are put in the 2012/2013 statistics.

So 3 of them start counting for next season according to the NT season.

Are you guys really going to count summer preseason tournament stats and club world cup stats.... i mean REALLY?????? Why don't we start counting intra squad training stats too. Maybe he'll get to 100. lol.

I heard he scored one against his grandmother yday... lets put that in there too.

It's incredibly pathetic trying to watch you saying that goals in the club world cup or uefa super cup are the same as goals in preseason tournaments. Messi has 68 officials goals for club this season, 5 for Argentina, that's a bonafide fact.

Albiceleste wrote:

It's incredibly pathetic trying to watch you saying that goals in the club world cup or uefa super cup are the same as goals in preseason tournaments. Messi has 68 officials goals for club this season, 5 for Argentina, that's a bonafide fact.

Albiceleste wrote:

It's incredibly pathetic trying to watch you saying that goals in the club world cup or uefa super cup are the same as goals in preseason tournaments. Messi has 68 officials goals for club this season, 5 for Argentina, that's a bonafide fact.

dude... club world cub is the European champions and the 7 dwarves. The best competition is the Brazil champion by far, which wouldn't be a top 6 league in Europe.

I counted supercup btw, which i think is a glorified preseason tournament too. Out of the 70, there's 2 in CWC and 1 in preseason prior to supercup.

Go to: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/45843/lionel-messi?cc=5739

For 2011/12 season (counting from August 2011)

Ronaldo has 64 goals with madrid and Portugal (58+6)
Messi has 73 goals with barcelona and argentina (68+5)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristiano_Ronaldo

and btw this is why i never believed Crimson's fake stats (in his stats all madrid players look like GOATS)

in supercup Ronaldo played too. messi scored 3 and ronaldo 1. Am sure if ronaldo didnt play in supercup madrid fans would say Supercup was a joke tournament dont count it (as they said in 2010/11 season)

hahahaha poor Madrid fans trying to make up fake STATS !!

#pathetic

So Clubs World Cup and Uefa Super Cup are not official tournament!!
(O_O)
Messi has 68 OFFICIAL Goals for Barcelona, 5 for Argentina ==> 73 goals in 2011/12 #dealwithit

sportsczy wrote:

vivabarca38 wrote:On soccernet his 2011/2012 statistics show 70 goals.His other 3 goals for Argentina are put in the 2012/2013 statistics.

So 3 of them start counting for next season according to the NT season.

Are you guys really going to count summer preseason tournament stats and club world cup stats.... i mean REALLY?????? Why don't we start counting intra squad training stats too. Maybe he'll get to 100. lol.

I heard he scored one against his grandmother yday... lets put that in there too.

sportsczy wrote:

Albiceleste wrote:

It's incredibly pathetic trying to watch you saying that goals in the club world cup or uefa super cup are the same as goals in preseason tournaments. Messi has 68 officials goals for club this season, 5 for Argentina, that's a bonafide fact.

Albiceleste wrote:

It's incredibly pathetic trying to watch you saying that goals in the club world cup or uefa super cup are the same as goals in preseason tournaments. Messi has 68 officials goals for club this season, 5 for Argentina, that's a bonafide fact.

dude... club world cub is the European champions and the 7 dwarves. The best competition is the Brazil champion by far, which wouldn't be a top 6 league in Europe.

I counted supercup btw, which i think is a glorified preseason tournament too. Out of the 70, there's 2 in CWC and 1 in preseason prior to supercup.

Go to: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/45843/lionel-messi?cc=5739

no comment

I heard Messi scored a couple in training yday too. Should count those peeps.

Khaled wrote:

copa de la liga AND copa?

wut?

is the other "copa" like that joke brazilian in-state competition?

Gerd Müller only needing 49 matches, like a boss.

Greatest ever. Deal with it.

VivaStPauli wrote:Gerd Müller only needing 49 matches, like a boss.

Greatest ever. Deal with it.

Only because Müller played in competition were goal scoring average per game were like 8 goals.

https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t20513-messi-s-pele-s-and-muller-s-eras-and-goal-scoring



Deal with it.

Adjusting stats to get the results one wants to have...

rwo power wrote:Adjusting stats to get the results one wants to have...

When logical thinking owns you, start crying.

Well, maybe you can find some other formulas you can use to take into account, too, like the how lower teams in La Liga usual fold before Barca and/or Real without proper resistance, while in the BL the goal average might be higher, but that is because the lower teams also score and not only the top two. ^^

rwo power wrote:Well, maybe you can find some other formulas you can use to take into account, too, like the how lower teams in La Liga usual fold before Barca and/or Real without proper resistance, while in the BL the goal average might be higher, but that is because the lower teams also score and not only the top two. ^^

Era adjusting takes that all into account.

rwo power wrote:Well, maybe you can find some other formulas you can use to take into account, too, like the how lower teams in La Liga usual fold before Barca and/or Real without proper resistance, while in the BL the goal average might be higher, but that is because the lower teams also score and not only the top two. ^^

sure they scored, because defences were all-round crappier

the era adjustment is entirely plausible... outside football environment it would be the first thing to do after collecting data, basic variable control

not to mention bayern won the 72-73 league with a squad of 16 players, that says just about everything about the level of football played back then

also on current scoring bayern would have won the league by 20 points, so much for bundesliga teams putting up a fight

next

Well, variable control good and fine - my point is that on the average, Barca and Real run away with the goals in La Liga, thus one could also consider putting some adjustment factor for that, too, as it speaks of week defenses in that league opposed to them. In the end, you can bend statistics like that as you want, especially if you look at it not only between the years, but also between the leagues as well.

che wrote:

rwo power wrote:Well, maybe you can find some other formulas you can use to take into account, too, like the how lower teams in La Liga usual fold before Barca and/or Real without proper resistance, while in the BL the goal average might be higher, but that is because the lower teams also score and not only the top two. ^^

sure they scored, because defences were all-round crappier

the era adjustment is entirely plausible... outside football environment it would be the first thing to do after collecting data, basic variable control

not to mention bayern won the 72-73 league with a squad of 16 players, that says just about everything about the level of football played back then

also on current scoring bayern would have won the league by 20 points, so much for bundesliga teams putting up a fight

next

Bayern also won straight European Cup wins from 74 to 76. As in the CL. And Germany won the World Cup in 74, including many Bayern players.

But I guess they don't count then, much like Madrid's 5 straight European wins. Or that crap Ajax team.

Also on current form, Barcelona if they would have won the league, would be 30 points ahead. So much for Liga teams putting up a fight.

Next :vagi:

IMO, gerd muller is a better finisher. Sure he doesn't have the raw skill that messi has, but messi gets more chances with this barca team, and also from his own skill.

So... Dixie Dean?

That sportczyi guys is hilarious.

Sushi Master wrote:
Bayern also won straight European Cup wins from 74 to 76. As in the CL. And Germany won the World Cup in 74, including many Bayern players.

But I guess they don't count then, much like Madrid's 5 straight European wins. Or that crap Ajax team.

european cup is not "as in" the cl, as far as i'm concerned one cl win should be equal to two european cup wins, the difference in competition is ridiculous

why do you think we don't see teams as dominant as they used to be back then?

option 1: 70s bayern and ajax were the greatest teams ever assembled and their feat will not ever be repeated ever again
option 2: they were the only truly great teams of that era, allowing them to dominate all the laughing stock that made it to the european cup... ffs 3 of the 4 current cl semifinalists wouldn't have even participated in the cl this year if it had the same pattern as european cup, being replaced by the likes of shakhtar and sturm graz

Also on current form, Barcelona if they would have won the league, would be 30 points ahead. So much for Liga teams putting up a fight.

so? the point was that people seem to think that bundesliga in 73 was this amazing competition when everyone could beat everyone, i was disproving that... everyone knows la liga is laughable, but bundesliga back then wasn't any less laughable

che wrote:so? the point was that people seem to think that bundesliga in 73 was this amazing competition when everyone could beat everyone, i was disproving that... everyone knows la liga is laughable, but bundesliga back then wasn't any less laughable

Was it really? Here you can see the BL tables from the 70es:
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/1-bundesliga/1971-72/0/0/spieltag.html
1. Bayern - 2. Schalke - 3. Gladbach
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/1-bundesliga/1972-73/0/0/spieltag.html
Bayern - Köln - Düsseldorf
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/1-bundesliga/1973-74/0/0/spieltag.html
Bayern - Gladbach - Düsseldorf
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/1-bundesliga/1974-75/0/0/spieltag.html
Gladbach - Hertha - Eintracht Frankfurt
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/1-bundesliga/1975-76/0/0/spieltag.html
Gladbach - HSV - Bayern
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/1-bundesliga/1976-77/0/0/spieltag.html
Gladbach - Schalke - Braunschweig
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/1-bundesliga/1977-78/0/0/spieltag.html
Köln - Gladbach - Hertha

As usual, the fortunes in the BL can change very fast ^^