Re: Is Xavi Comfortably the Best Spanish Player of All Time ?

by Rebaño Sagrado Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:59 pm

Why stop the best European player of all tim...is Xavi the best player under 5'7?

by Guest Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:59 pm

Mendieta OVER-RATED ???

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Did you watch football in early 2000s and late 90s ?

Mendieta was orgasm to watch

by Swanhends Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:59 pm

I was being serious though... :coffee:

by jibers Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:00 am

Rebaño Sagrado wrote:Why stop the best European player of all tim...is Xavi the best player under 5'7?

Why stop at under 5'7, is Xavi the best player of all time?

by Le Samourai Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:02 am

BhritanniaBhlue wrote:I was being serious though...

Y u no hype Suarez?

by Grande_Milano Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:02 am

Schweini wrote:Mendieta OVER-RATED ???

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Did you watch football in early 2000s and late 90s ?

Mendieta was orgasm to watch

Mendieta ''burned'' fast, his Lazio transfer :facepalm:

by Ganso Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:02 am

Europe is interesting because every nation has their legends but not a specific goat player like pele or maradona

i guess xavi is contending with Cruyff,Di stefano,Beckenbauer and a few others

by Le Samourai Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:03 am

jibers wrote:
Rebaño Sagrado wrote:Why stop the best European player of all tim...is Xavi the best player under 5'7?

Why stop at under 5'7, is Xavi the best player of all time?

Not if Great Jaguar Paw of the Lower Mayan tribes has something to say about it.

by Swanhends Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:05 am

Le Samourai wrote:
BhritanniaBhlue wrote:I was being serious though...

Y u no hype Suarez?

Suarez played in a weaker era with less competition and still won less

by Le Samourai Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:06 am

BhritanniaBhlue wrote:
Le Samourai wrote:
BhritanniaBhlue wrote:I was being serious though...

Y u no hype Suarez?

Suarez played in a weaker era with less competition and still won less

Had a worse team.

by StevieRayVaughan Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:09 am

Schweini wrote:Mendieta OVER-RATED ???

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Did you watch football in early 2000s and late 90s ?

Mendieta was orgasm to watch

I dont think you watched him properly then. He was not consistent at all. It says your 20 years, so I doubt how you watched most la liga games then like I did. I was addicted to football then, now I have a life Smile

Mendiata at his best is as good as anyone, no doubt. But his prime didnt last very long, he should have just stayed at Valencia.

by Sushi Master Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:09 am

Wait for Fabregas to integrate his Arsenal DNA into his Barca. GOAT player.

Seriously, Xavi is, although some days I rate Iniesta just as high.

by Swanhends Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:10 am

Le Samourai wrote:
BhritanniaBhlue wrote:
Le Samourai wrote:
BhritanniaBhlue wrote:I was being serious though...

Y u no hype Suarez?

Suarez played in a weaker era with less competition and still won less

Had a worse team.

Comparatively thats irrelevant...He only played on a "worse" team compared to today's teams

He played on the greatest teams of his generation..

by McAgger Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:12 am

The title of this thread is misleading. Change it to "Best Spanish Player of All Time for NT"

by Le Samourai Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:13 am

Not for Inter...for Spain...he won us the Euros with a weaker team......

Suarez and Amanciano :bow:

by StevieRayVaughan Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:18 am

Le Samourai wrote:
StevieRayVaughan wrote:
Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:No what the frak has Xavi done more than Iniesta, Casillas, and maybe even Villa to be considered comfortably the best? Yes, he's one of the best, but you can't argue that Casillas and Iniesta don't deserve the same mention.

You make a great point. But the way I see it, what would happen if Xavi gets injured today? Nothing (lose little effectiveness), Spain would still coutinue winning, they have adequate replacement. What would happen if Iniesta got injured? Nothing, Fab or Silva can replace him. But what would happen if Raul got injured back then? Our options used to be Morientes, Diego Tristan...without Raul our attack was not even close to being world class. He made a huge difference, with such a shit team. Our mid was Baraja (decent), Mendiata (overrated), Valeron (amazing) and Luis Enrique. All decent or good players. But with no quality backups. Our wingers were horrible..it was Joaquin (who has always been so overrated) and Luque (shit). Now we have Xavi, Xabi, Javi, Fabregas, Busquets....no need to even say the rest.

Raul missed THE penalty against France, Casillas and Morientes kept us in the World Cup in 02 before we got robbed.

I love Raul more than everyone else, but there's no way he's the best Spanish player FOR SPAIN.

The what if question, I ask it as well, but honestly , I won't question it......alternative outcomes are never reality.

Raul is possibly the best Spanish club player of all time.

You are 16, you were like 3/4 years old when Raul was in his prime. How did you possibly watch him play for Spain or Real Madrid? Youtube? Not trying to mock you or anything, but you dont have the (how do i put it) credibility nor any great knowledge on this subject. There is a diff between watching every match of the season, versus videos or highlights of certain matches or players, or checking wiki for stats.

by FalcaoPunch Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:20 am

I can't really say. I haven't actually seen in action the players some poster are mentioning, nor will I resort to youtube because anyone can look good on youtube.

But how long has Xavi actively been playing with spain? He's been around for a WHILE now. That much I know.

by Guest Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:21 am

Fair enough.

I mostly watched Gaizka in CL. And he was absolutely phenomenal in getting Valencia to 2 CL finals under Cupper. I wish he stayed there under Benitez.

Mendieta's career was ruined after a bad transfer. just like Veron, and in modern day, well Torres.

by Rebaño Sagrado Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:21 am

by Swanhends Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:22 am

Le Samourai wrote:Not for Inter...for Spain...he won us the Euros with a weaker team......

Suarez and Amanciano

You're still missing the point though

"He won us the Euros with a 'weaker' team"

Weaker compared to the team Xavi won it with, sure...But Suarez also PLAYED teams that were 'weaker' than the teams Xavi played, so the distinction is moot

Teams that Suarez' Spain had to play to win the Euros:

Romania, Northern Ireland, Ireland, Hungary, USSR

..........................

by Le Samourai Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:23 am

Watched consistently since 00 albeit with an untrained eye for most of those years.

But I still vividly remember his WC performance and it's pretty clear Morientes was better than him in 02.

Can't say I've watched every game before then but I've watched the important ones.

by Le Samourai Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:25 am

BhritanniaBhlue wrote:
Le Samourai wrote:Not for Inter...for Spain...he won us the Euros with a weaker team......

Suarez and Amanciano

You're still missing the point though

"He won us the Euros with a 'weaker' team"

Weaker compared to the team Xavi won it with, sure...But Suarez also PLAYED teams that were 'weaker' than the teams Xavi played, so the distinction is moot

Teams that Suarez' Spain had to play to win the Euros:

Romania, Northern Ireland, Ireland, Hungary, USSR

..........................

Countries have peaks and troughs...I don't see why there's any reason Romania and USSR are worse than Russia and 08 Germany.

I'm not an expert though,

Are you saying football is better now therefore he's better just for the record?.....cuz I won't argue on that point.

by VanDeezNuts Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:26 am

i wouldnt say comfortably.. as he does have some good competition, but maybe ya, actually probably the best spanish player.

here are some i think should be in contention:

iker
puyol
raul
hierro