why not have a play-off.fourth in Serie A vs fourth in Bundesliga,winner goes into the last qualifying round? the same dubious co-efficient system has seen Russia and Portugal chop and change as the 6th ranked league for years now.

Jason Jarrett wrote:why not have a play-off.fourth in Serie A vs fourth in Bundesliga,winner goes into the last qualifying round? the same dubious co-efficient system has seen Russia and Portugal chop and change as the 6th ranked league for years now.

Hmmmmmm........ No.

BL earned the 4th spot. If Serie A want it back, they know what to do.

If you include the UEFA Cup as part of the co-efficient system for the Champions League,then what about:

1. International football
2. Youth level tournaments

and perhaps more 'logical' being a club competition,the NEXTGEN SERIES!!

The rules are clear about the 4th spot. If Seria A want it back all they have to do is get more of their teams to go far in the Europa league or consistently preform in the CL.

Jason Jarrett wrote:If you include the UEFA Cup as part of the co-efficient system for the Champions League,then what about:

1. International football
2. Youth level tournaments

and perhaps more 'logical' being a club competition,the NEXTGEN SERIES!!

Hmmmmmm....... No.

The co-efficient system is soley based on UEFA Club competition. Not youth cups or International football.

izzy wrote:

Jason Jarrett wrote:why not have a play-off.fourth in Serie A vs fourth in Bundesliga,winner goes into the last qualifying round? the same dubious co-efficient system has seen Russia and Portugal chop and change as the 6th ranked league for years now.

Hmmmmmm........ No.

BL earned the 4th spot. If Serie A want it back, they know what to do.

Earned it through a backdoor ruling though.....

Its like saying if you failed Science by 5 %,we will let you pass cause you got 70% for Cooking/Home Economics/Hotel Keeping

Jason Jarrett wrote:

izzy wrote:

Jason Jarrett wrote:why not have a play-off.fourth in Serie A vs fourth in Bundesliga,winner goes into the last qualifying round? the same dubious co-efficient system has seen Russia and Portugal chop and change as the 6th ranked league for years now.

Hmmmmmm........ No.

BL earned the 4th spot. If Serie A want it back, they know what to do.

Earned it through a backdoor ruling though.....

Its like saying if you failed Science by 5 %,we will let you pass cause you got 70% for Cooking/Home Economics/Hotel Keeping

No, not really.

Here it is in simple form: German teams performed better than Italian teams in Europe which leads to the BL taken the 4th spot.

Simple really.

izzy wrote:

Jason Jarrett wrote:If you include the UEFA Cup as part of the co-efficient system for the Champions League,then what about:

1. International football
2. Youth level tournaments

and perhaps more 'logical' being a club competition,the NEXTGEN SERIES!!

Hmmmmmm....... No.

The co-efficient system is soley based on UEFA Club competition. Not youth cups or International football.

Well if your going to let the Europa league affect the Champions League,than its as stupid as including Euro League Basketball.

Jason Jarrett wrote:If you include the UEFA Cup as part of the co-efficient system for the Champions League,then what about:

1. International football
2. Youth level tournaments

and perhaps more 'logical' being a club competition,the NEXTGEN SERIES!!

Both the Europa league and CL are competitions for Men's European clubs.

International football has nothing to do with this. Even logically it makes no sense since a lot of players taking part are not from Europe.

Youth football is youth football. You'll just have to wait till they grow up.

Jason Jarrett wrote:

izzy wrote:

Jason Jarrett wrote:why not have a play-off.fourth in Serie A vs fourth in Bundesliga,winner goes into the last qualifying round? the same dubious co-efficient system has seen Russia and Portugal chop and change as the 6th ranked league for years now.

Hmmmmmm........ No.

BL earned the 4th spot. If Serie A want it back, they know what to do.

Earned it through a backdoor ruling though.....

Its like saying if you failed Science by 5 %,we will let you pass cause you got 70% for Cooking/Home Economics/Hotel Keeping

The back door is there for everyone. It is available to Seria A as well.

Jason Jarrett wrote:Well if your going to let the Europa league affect the Champions League,than its as stupid as including Euro League Basketball.

What is this? Is Serie A born from the 'silver spoon' society? You think the 4th spot belongs to you by name alone?

You messed up and now are paying the price. You want the spot back? Perform in the UEFA club football competitions.

How can you agree to the fact that Russia and Italy lost Champions League spots based on another country's Europa league performances?It makes no sense.

Plus,look at the German teams,they would finish third in their UCL groups,or get KO'd in the qualifiers and go on into the Europa League,whereas the Serie A sides would make the last 16 or QF and have no second chance!

Hamburg earned more co-efficient points in 2006 and 2009 for Europa League semi final appearances,then Barcelona who won the Champions League in those years!!! THAT MAKES NO SENSE,WE WON THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE,HAMBURG ONLY MADE A SEMI!!!!

Europa League is a 3rd grade competition to begin with

Also how is it a "back door", if it's clearly and openly part of the formula used to calculate how many spots each league gets?

And besides that: CL matches still count more than EL matches, so I fail to see the point of crying about it.

Jason Jarrett wrote:Europa League is a 3rd grade competition to begin with

It's a hell of a lot more entertaining than UCL this season.

Jason Jarrett wrote:Europa League is a 3rd grade competition to begin with

Also, and incidentally, this is why Italy doesn't have a 4th spot anymore.

Jason Jarrett wrote:How can you agree to the fact that Russia and Italy lost Champions League spots based on another country's Europa league performances?It makes no sense.

Plus,look at the German teams,they would finish third in their UCL groups,or get KO'd in the qualifiers and go on into the Europa League,whereas the Serie A sides would make the last 16 or QF and have no second chance!

Hamburg earned more co-efficient points in 2006 and 2009 for Europa League semi final appearances,then Barcelona who won the Champions League in those years!!! THAT MAKES NO SENSE,WE WON THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE,HAMBURG ONLY MADE A SEMI!!!!

There it is. That is full of crap.

Let me tell you something: Serie A were well aware of the consequences of their actions in previous UEFA competition. BL took advantage and here we are.

Grow up and ask the other Serie A teams to I dunno, maybe give a damn about european competiton.

Thing is the rules are clear and pretty much fair since it applies to everyone.

They don't have to be particularly great rules but so long as they treat each league equally they don't have to be.

Zealous wrote:Thing is the rules are clear and pretty much fair since it applies to everyone.

They don't have to be particularly great rules but so long as they treat each league equally they don't have to be.

co-sign

on top of that there's only one italian team in the Quarter finals just like last season.
it's not like Serie A is extremely dominant in the CL lol

Give both leagues a fourth spot......

you cant hand out too many spots to all leagues ffs

and even then why hand out 4 spots to Serie A and to Bundesliga when only 1 team makes it to the quarters anyways???

It's called the champions league anyway. It needs more actual champions in it.

If we base it on the number of teams having a chance to win it, both Serie A and Bundesliga should only have one spot anyway, so let's not even delve into that kind of "logic"... :X

lol zeal, dat logic

Ironically enough,they didn't even compensate Russia and Italy with a EL spot for losing a CL spot.

But,opinions aside as to who ''deserves'' more/less CL/EL spots,they need to do something about the Europa League,to get more teams to take it as seriously as they did in the old days of UEFA Cup and Cup Winner's Cup.Perhaps therein lies the answer.

Well it's worth coefficient points, that should matter.